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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Caroline on June 07, 2016, 11:33:AM
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Latest Vlog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73janUtGz8Y
Hope you all get your pens before they sell out (or dry up!)
No one would suggest that MOJ don't happen, but this isn't one of them!
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Latest Vlog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73janUtGz8Y
Hope you all get your pens before they sell out (or dry up!)
No one would suggest that MOJ don't happen, but this isn't one of them!
On the contrary, this 'is' one of those cases...
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No one would suggest that MOJ don't happen, but this isn't one of them!
Prove it. (and don't shift the burden it only confirms you cannot prove it) ;D
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I'm still using a chunky-like pen which is similar and I've had it for 4 years,so it hasn't dried up yet,in fact it's a good writer as biro's go,though I prefer a fountain pen. So the biro doesn't match your pessimism ;D
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Prove it. (and don't shift the burden it only confirms you cannot prove it) ;D
Despite all your claims, you can't prove the opposite - looks like that million pounds you have your eye on won't be filling your bank account any time soon. Least you're being more honest about your motives though.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6903.msg337466#msg337466
The circumstantial evidence PROVES IT, they are far too many coincidences (something you yourself have admitted not to believe in).
You're sounding even more desperate than the CT recently but I guess you and Jeremy have something in common - you share the same motive!
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On the contrary, this 'is' one of those cases...
Well, we'll see .......
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Is there anyone on this earth who doesn't like money ?
There was only Gandhi to my mind and he's well dead and gone.
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Prove it. (and don't shift the burden it only confirms you cannot prove it) ;D
you want jb out the burden of proof is on you,we accept the jurys verdict .unless you can show differently.12 people judged him and his story and came to the fact that he is a lier and killer
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Erm,10 people,not 12 so not a unanimous verdict which in a mass murder case is questionable.
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Despite all your claims, you can't prove the opposite - looks like that million pounds you have your eye on won't be filling your bank account any time soon. Least you're being more honest about your motives though.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6903.msg337466#msg337466
The circumstantial evidence PROVES IT, they are far too many coincidences (something you yourself have admitted not to believe in).
You're sounding even more desperate than the CT recently but I guess you and Jeremy have something in common - you share the same motive!
I was not being serious about the £1 Million. And for argument sake If I was given that I would feel obliged to share it with other members who put allot of effort into this forum and would happily do so.
as expected you shift the burden confirming you cannot prove anything. ;D
The circumstantial "evidence" you are talking about is "Julie Sais So" hardly ground breaking evidence plus you have admitted you don't believe everything she sais yet consider her a credible witness.
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Is there anyone on this earth who doesn't like money ?
There was only Gandhi to my mind and he's well dead and gone.
there are lots lookout,in asia buddist monks and holy men give up on material wealth,and the holy prophets
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My guess is and has been for a long time that there are millions resting/ waiting on this case and I sincerely hope that in the near future Jeremy will benefit greatly,although money doesn't make up for all the years which have been stolen from him, I'll be more than happy to see him comfortably off for the rest of his life. Nothing will please me more than to see him in that position. He'd certainly be deserving of it.
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Erm,10 people,not 12 so not a unanimous verdict which in a mass murder case is questionable.
i didnt say 12 found him guilty.i said 12 judged him .we all know it was 10 to 2 in favour of guilty
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there are lots lookout,in asia buddist monks and holy men give up on material wealth,and the holy prophets
As I said,I'd named Gandhi which more or less included those who don't see money as their God, and who are mainly of a religious bent. The Buddhist religion being no bad thing as they worship that which is seen,the sun and various other forms of nature.
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My guess is and has been for a long time that there are millions resting/ waiting on this case and I sincerely hope that in the near future Jeremy will benefit greatly,although money doesn't make up for all the years which have been stolen from him, I'll be more than happy to see him comfortably off for the rest of his life. Nothing will please me more than to see him in that position. He'd certainly be deserving of it.
you make it sound like he is family.
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you make it sound like he is family.
It depends on your overall perception of him.
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As I said,I'd named Gandhi which more or less included those who don't see money as their God, and who are mainly of a religious bent. The Buddhist religion being no bad thing as they worship that which is seen,the sun and various other forms of nature.
Doesn't describe Jeremy, though, does it?
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Doesn't describe Jeremy, though, does it?
Why does it always have to be Jeremy when money is mentioned ? He pales into insignificance where money is concerned,or the love of it,this day and age.
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Why does it always have to be Jeremy when money is mentioned ? He pales into insignificance where money is concerned,or the love of it,this day and age.
It may has slipped your memory, but it's Jeremy who's the focus of this forum. That's why it does "always have to be about Jeremy".
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I was not being serious about the £1 Million. And for argument sake If I was given that I would feel obliged to share it with other members who put allot of effort into this forum and would happily do so.
as expected you shift the burden confirming you cannot prove anything. ;D
The circumstantial "evidence" you are talking about is "Julie Sais So" hardly ground breaking evidence plus you have admitted you don't believe everything she sais yet consider her a credible witness.
No, not JUST Julie but you keep telling yourself you were joking! You can't even admit where your idea first started.
Your 'new evidence' proves nothing as far as Jeremy's guilt is concerned and you know it! But keep trying to fool other members into believing it does. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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My guess is and has been for a long time that there are millions resting/ waiting on this case and I sincerely hope that in the near future Jeremy will benefit greatly,although money doesn't make up for all the years which have been stolen from him, I'll be more than happy to see him comfortably off for the rest of his life. Nothing will please me more than to see him in that position. He'd certainly be deserving of it.
Don't hold your breath Lookout.
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Don't hold your breath Lookout.
JB has done nothing,but having read about a monster named McGreavey who was jailed in 1973 and sent to a Cat C ? prison for impaling 3 little children he was babysitting for,is actually being released !! This monster had the run of the place pleasing himself whatever he did and more or less had the life of Reilly. Nobody ever spoke to this murderer. The mother of the children threatened to shoot him on his release. What's the betting that she'll be the one who's watched and not him ?
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JB has done nothing,but having read about a monster named McGreavey who was jailed in 1973 and sent to a Cat C ? prison for impaling 3 little children he was babysitting for,is actually being released !! This monster had the run of the place pleasing himself whatever he did and more or less had the life of Reilly. Nobody ever spoke to this murderer. The mother of the children threatened to shoot him on his release. What's the betting that she'll be the one who's watched and not him ?
Yes, I have heard about him before - clearly he should never be released.
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Yes, I have heard about him before - clearly he should never be released.
Well you know me and my views about hanging . I'd have hanged that blighter no problem.
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Well you know me and my views about hanging . I'd have hanged that blighter no problem.
I don't believe in the DP BUT, people should have a right to know where he is being released, especially those living near by.
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I don't believe in the DP BUT, people should have a right to know where he is being released, especially those living near by.
He'll have his name changed,get given a house and all the rest of the help these monsters receive, while genuine people who are trying to scratch a living by working hard get nothing. Makes my blood boil.
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He'll have his name changed,get given a house and all the rest of the help these monsters receive, while genuine people who are trying to scratch a living by working hard get nothing. Makes my blood boil.
Hi lookout
quite right and maybe he will get compensation if somebody reveals his true identity like happened with the two boys from your neck of the woods who murdered the wee two year old boy makes my blook boil as well. >:(
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JB has done nothing,but having read about a monster named McGreavey who was jailed in 1973 and sent to a Cat C ? prison for impaling 3 little children he was babysitting for,is actually being released !! This monster had the run of the place pleasing himself whatever he did and more or less had the life of Reilly. Nobody ever spoke to this murderer. The mother of the children threatened to shoot him on his release. What's the betting that she'll be the one who's watched and not him ?
its a puzzla lookout as i mentioned before sidney cooke n gang torchured and sexualy abuse kids than strangled them ,yet all bar one were released.i find that hard to believe ,when its clear cut with dna proof ,i support hanging
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Hi lookout
quite right and maybe he will get compensation if somebody reveals his true identity like happened with the two boys from your neck of the woods who murdered the wee two year old boy makes my blook boil as well. >:(
Hi Susan,yes it's we the soft public who foot the bill for the changes made to the monsters.
Little James's mum will be on Loose Women tomorrow,aww,I'll never forget that crime,heartbreaking. :(
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Hi Susan,yes it's we the soft public who foot the bill for the changes made to the monsters.
Little James's mum will be on Loose Women tomorrow,aww,I'll never forget that crime,heartbreaking. :(
thanks lookout will watch that the poor woman has never got over the tragic death of her beautiful wee boy :(
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thanks lookout will watch that the poor woman has never got over the tragic death of her beautiful wee boy :(
also cost her ,her marraige .brave woman, i wouldnt know how to carry on if it were me
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also cost her ,her marraige .brave woman, i wouldnt know how to carry on if it were me
Hello sami
I agree with you and may I add sorry for the dreadful experience you had to suffer xxx
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Hello sami
I agree with you and may I add sorry for the dreadful experience you had to suffer xxx
thank you,sue x
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I feel it would be a mistake to underestimate Trudi, appealing as she does to the non-partisan housewife with time on her hands, who might just be persuaded by her over the strains of a flat-picking guitar to write to this mass murderer..
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i would love to know if theres any evidence out there that could free jb.i just cant think what it could be.i know he has a certain hold on some people ,who will ignore facts and cling to jb's innocence.quite a few mass murders have that sort of following.cant work it out myself
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i would love to know if theres any evidence out there that could free jb.i just cant think what it could be.i know he has a certain hold on some people ,who will ignore facts and cling to jb's innocence.quite a few mass murders have that sort of following.cant work it out myself
I'm afraid I find myself jumping through far too many hoops, however ingenious Mike's hypothesis may be.
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I'd rather listen to the strains of a Spanish guitar.
Apart from that,nobody's leaped up in opposition to Trudi's Vlogs on what's been said in them.
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I'd rather listen to the strains of a Spanish guitar.
Apart from that,nobody's leaped up in opposition to Trudi's Vlogs on what's been said in them.
Well in this particular one the jam was spread very thinly.
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Well in this particular one the jam was spread very thinly.
I think these Vlogs are a " sweetener " for what's to come as I still have the feeling that she's holding back.
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I think these Vlogs are a " sweetener " for what's to come as I still have the feeling that she's holding back.
lets get it out there,we are all waiting with baited breath :)trudi
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lets get it out there,we are all waiting with baited breath :)trudi
She'll have to stay silent until she's given the nod by the legal team. Then again,to remain silent would be the done thing then nobody from the opposition gets any ideas.
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She'll have to stay silent until she's given the nod by the legal team. Then again,to remain silent would be the done thing then nobody from the opposition gets any ideas.
it would be good to know ,one way or the other. i agree silence is a good thing at the moment
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Not sure what the point of the VLOG's is at the moment. No information. Nothing new. I guess just to keep the troops in line and give the impression that things are moving.
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Not sure what the point of the VLOG's is at the moment. No information. Nothing new. I guess just to keep the troops in line and give the impression that things are moving.
I can't imagine the effect on Colin, Jan and others connected with the case who lost loved ones to be handed a Bamber pen or spot a window sticker on the car in front declaring his innocence.
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Not sure what the point of the VLOG's is at the moment. No information. Nothing new. I guess just to keep the troops in line and give the impression that things are moving.
Things are moving but it's moving without them lol
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Thinking about those window stickers reminds me of Robin Bain, who drove around with wife Margaret in the 1960s with the sticker "Have you hugged your child today?".
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Thinking about those window stickers reminds me of Robin Bain, who drove around with wife Margaret in the 1960s with the sticker "Have you hugged your child today?".
Robin Bain done more than just hugging :o
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Robin Bain done more than just hugging :o
He sure did !!
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I can't imagine the effect on Colin, Jan and others connected with the case who lost loved ones to be handed a Bamber pen or spot a window sticker on the car in front declaring his innocence.
sounds very immoral ,steve
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I can't imagine the effect on Colin, Jan and others connected with the case who lost loved ones to be handed a Bamber pen or spot a window sticker on the car in front declaring his innocence.
Steve I understand what you're saying and what you mean,but the same people and millions more don't know the full story. It's easy to follow a crowd and take their word for what happened.I'd do the same if I was that way inclined,it's the easiest option if you haven't studied the case.
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Steve I understand what you're saying and what you mean,but the same people and millions more don't know the full story. It's easy to follow a crowd and take their word for what happened.I'd do the same if I was that way inclined,it's the easiest option if you haven't studied the case.
i see what you mean lookout,i dont agree,but i understand you,maybe its best we all wait and see what happens in any future appeal.people are split about it ,and most just follow the polices version of events.and lets face it jb wasnt caught in whf with the rifle in his hands,some things have to be cleared up.i still agree with steve the effect on colin must be taken into account
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i see what you mean lookout,i dont agree,but i understand you,maybe its best we all wait and see what happens in any future appeal.people are split about it ,and most just follow the polices version of events.and lets face it jb wasnt caught in whf with the rifle in his hands,some things have to be cleared up.i still agree with steve the effect on colin must be taken into account
Sami I also understand how Colin must have felt and been,devastating as it was to him because I reckon that he probably suffered more than any of the others did.
However,he was still as ignorant as everyone else was as regards Sheila's illness as the support wasn't there and he took the easy way out by divorcing Sheila at her time of need,so that in mind it did change my views about him,along with his unacceptable behaviour. He was clearly at fault and Sheila must have been heartbroken which all added to the damage to her already fragile state.
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Sami I also understand how Colin must have felt and been,devastating as it was to him because I reckon that he probably suffered more than any of the others did.
However,he was still as ignorant as everyone else was as regards Sheila's illness as the support wasn't there and he took the easy way out by divorcing Sheila at her time of need,so that in mind it did change my views about him,along with his unacceptable behaviour. He was clearly at fault and Sheila must have been heartbroken which all added to the damage to her already fragile state.
But if he'd stayed with her out of duty or sympathy he'd have been a very poor companion or bed fellow. What's more, Sheila would have known he no longer wanted her. Doing is all very well but when feeling is taken out of the equation we can become robotic.
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But if he'd stayed with her out of duty or sympathy he'd have been a very poor companion or bed fellow. What's more, Sheila would have known he no longer wanted her. Doing is all very well but when feeling is taken out of the equation we can become robotic.
thats also very true ,jane
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i think people are split,those who see jb as innocent take it as a good campain tactic,and those who see him as guilty ,find it in very poor taste and immoral
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But if he'd stayed with her out of duty or sympathy he'd have been a very poor companion or bed fellow. What's more, Sheila would have known he no longer wanted her. Doing is all very well but when feeling is taken out of the equation we can become robotic.
But it WAS his duty and he could have been more assertive in finding out about her illness partcularly as he professed to have loved her. True love isn't just about the bedroom,etc,it includes help and assistance and a deep understanding of each other.Sheila in her illness would NOT have accepted the fact that he no longer wanted her. The least he could have shown was perseverance even if it had been for the sake of the twins.
No way could I have married a man who only thought about himself !! This is what it amounted to with Colin. No wonder June didn't like him.
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Steve I understand what you're saying and what you mean,but the same people and millions more don't know the full story. It's easy to follow a crowd and take their word for what happened.I'd do the same if I was that way inclined,it's the easiest option if you haven't studied the case.
Of course anyone should be able to understand what Steve means but we do have free speech in this country, thank goodness.
We have freedom to protest and that is everybody's right not just the right of those we happen to agree with. I should think the pain of the loss of people affected in this way is the difficult part not the odd sticker or pen, which is par for the course.
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Speaking of todays marriages it's so sad that a lot of people don't even give it a chance as the whole idea is to work together taking the rough with the smooth and also in sickness and in health which isn't always adhered to.
There were far more struggles in the 50's and 60's,but when people got married then, it was also longer lasting because these people worked at their marriage together and thrashed out their differences in order to understand each other better thus were able to resolve any issues without the need to fly off to the nearest solicitor. No marriage is absolutely perfect,nor without its heated arguments ( it wouldn't be normal ) it's something of a joint enterprise in which both have to work at it if they want to keep it intact and not back out at the first hurdle. Patience and understanding are the key products of this fading institution.
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Speaking of todays marriages it's so sad that a lot of people don't even give it a chance as the whole idea is to work together taking the rough with the smooth and also in sickness and in health which isn't always adhered to.
There were far more struggles in the 50's and 60's,but when people got married then, it was also longer lasting because these people worked at their marriage together and thrashed out their differences in order to understand each other better thus were able to resolve any issues without the need to fly off to the nearest solicitor. No marriage is absolutely perfect,nor without its heated arguments ( it wouldn't be normal ) it's something of a joint enterprise in which both have to work at it if they want to keep it intact and not back out at the first hurdle. Patience and understanding are the key products of this fading institution.
very true,lookout ,theres also no respect from younger genration.in our time one would help an old lady with her bags,but now they would rob her of her purse.shame
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Steve I understand what you're saying and what you mean,but the same people and millions more don't know the full story. It's easy to follow a crowd and take their word for what happened.I'd do the same if I was that way inclined,it's the easiest option if you haven't studied the case.
Lots of people have studied the case - studying the case don't automatically bring you to an innocent conclusion. People have their own minds - I'm certainly NOT following any crowd and have looked at things from both sides. It's just as easy to say that 'some people' like to dig their heels in and couldn't possibly consider that they could be wrong - I'd do the same if I were that way inclined.
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Lots of people have studied the case - studying the case don't automatically bring you to an innocent conclusion. People have their own minds - I'm certainly NOT following any crowd and have looked at things from both sides. It's just as easy to say that 'some people' like to dig their heels in and couldn't possibly consider that they could be wrong - I'd do the same if I were that way inclined.
I'm surprised that you all haven't banded together at the shame of the relatives moving into WHF.
I refer to the large heading in the DM about the " Amityville Horror House " where 6 people were murdered,headed " Would You Live in the Amityville Horror House ".
There were none of the expected " how could they ?" from the guilters,but plenty from those who say JB is innocent ! How strange. Now if it had been the other way around,there'd have been an outcry.
Given the previous history of the place where 3 other tenants had died too. Different if you don't know but being a Grade II people know the history.
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I'm surprised that you all haven't banded together at the shame of the relatives moving into WHF.
I refer to the large heading in the DM about the " Amityville Horror House " where 6 people were murdered,headed " Would You Live in the Amityville Horror House ".
There were none of the expected " how could they ?" from the guilters,but plenty from those who say JB is innocent ! How strange. Now if it had been the other way around,there'd have been an outcry.
Given the previous history of the place where 3 other tenants had died too. Different if you don't know but being a Grade II people know the history.
Not sure what your answer has to do with my reply to your last post? However, there is a reason for that Lookout, people who think Jeremy is innocent (and some who want him to be), look for any excuse to pour scorn on the relatives. So what if AE moved into WHF - FIVE YEARS AFTER! of course when you mentioned this just the other day, you suggested it was straight after the killings - and it wasn't.
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But it WAS his duty and he could have been more assertive in finding out about her illness partcularly as he professed to have loved her. True love isn't just about the bedroom,etc,it includes help and assistance and a deep understanding of each other.Sheila in her illness would NOT have accepted the fact that he no longer wanted her. The least he could have shown was perseverance even if it had been for the sake of the twins.
No way could I have married a man who only thought about himself !! This is what it amounted to with Colin. No wonder June didn't like him.
The way I see it, it would have been a very one sided relationship. You're perfectly correct in that love is way more than happens in the bedroom. In a perfect world, it's about unity, compromise, give and take. When neither partner is able to provide that, what happens in the bedroom becomes diminished to the point where there is nothing left. I'm not saying Colin was ideal husband material, but Sheila married him. Turn this round another way and it COULD be reasoned that she trapped him into it.
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Steve I understand what you're saying and what you mean,but the same people and millions more don't know the full story. It's easy to follow a crowd and take their word for what happened.I'd do the same if I was that way inclined,it's the easiest option if you haven't studied the case.
Lookout, I sometimes think you make a career out of being different simply to be perverse and to be seen to be standing apart.
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Not sure what your answer has to do with my reply to your last post? However, there is a reason for that Lookout, people who think Jeremy is innocent (and some who want him to be), look for any excuse to pour scorn on the relatives. So what if AE moved into WHF - FIVE YEARS AFTER! of course when you mentioned this just the other day, you suggested it was straight after the killings - and it wasn't.
I know it had nothing to do with your reply,but I just thought I'd get that bit in before I forgot as it's the little things that seem to get overlooked as not being important or relevant.
I wouldn't WANT anyone to be innocent if they weren't. I could never be like that.Ths is why I'm so sure of his innocence and as regards whenever the relatives moved in ( haven't yet found out for sure,when ) even Jeremy called AE a " sick puppy ". My description would have been stronger. I'm surprised Jeremy's wasn't ? He had little else to say on that subject.
I know it wasn't that long after when AE made the twins beds up because had it been 5 years later,Jeremy wasn't there to call AE a sick puppy was he ?
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I know it had nothing to do with your reply,but I just thought I'd get that bit in before I forgot as it's the little things that seem to get overlooked as not being important or relevant.
I wouldn't WANT anyone to be innocent if they weren't. I could never be like that.Ths is why I'm so sure of his innocence and as regards whenever the relatives moved in ( haven't yet found out for sure,when ) even Jeremy called AE a " sick puppy ". My description would have been stronger. I'm surprised Jeremy's wasn't ? He had little else to say on that subject.
I know it wasn't that long after when AE made the twins beds up because had it been 5 years later,Jeremy wasn't there to call AE a sick puppy was he ?
Turned around then, it could be said that he HAS to be innocent to validate your belief in your own rightness.
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Lookout, I sometimes think you make a career out of being different simply to be perverse and to be seen to be standing apart.
I say what I think that's all,and as long as I'm supporting Jeremy I am " standing apart " from others in order to show my support.What else am I to do ?
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I say what I think that's all,and as long as I'm supporting Jeremy I am " standing apart " from others in order to show my support.What else am I to do ?
Actually, I perceive you as standing apart even from those who believe him innocent. THAT is all you appear to have in common with them.
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Actually, I perceive you as standing apart even from those who believe him innocent. THAT is all you appear to have in common with them.
Must be my flamboyancy. ;D
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Must be my flamboyancy. ;D
That'll be it ;D
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I know it had nothing to do with your reply,but I just thought I'd get that bit in before I forgot as it's the little things that seem to get overlooked as not being important or relevant.
I wouldn't WANT anyone to be innocent if they weren't. I could never be like that.Ths is why I'm so sure of his innocence and as regards whenever the relatives moved in ( haven't yet found out for sure,when ) even Jeremy called AE a " sick puppy ". My description would have been stronger. I'm surprised Jeremy's wasn't ? He had little else to say on that subject.
I know it wasn't that long after when AE made the twins beds up because had it been 5 years later,Jeremy wasn't there to call AE a sick puppy was he ?
Lookout - WHF was empty for five years - there is a reference to it in CAL's book but I have seen Vic post about it ages ago. How could Jeremy be there when she moved in? Until convicted, he still had control over the estate.
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Lookout - WHF was empty for five years - there is a reference to it in CAL's book but I have seen Vic post about it ages ago. How could Jeremy be there when she moved in? Until convicted, he still had control over the estate.
Which makes the bed-making before Jeremy was locked up or he wouldn't have said what he did.
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Which makes the bed-making before Jeremy was locked up or he wouldn't have said what he did.
She may have made the beds but didn't move into the house until FIVE YEARS LATER! What do you expect the woman to do, leave the bloodied sheets?
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Jeremy must take more than the lion's share of the blame for the White House Farm phenomenon, whatever illness caused other actors to behave in the way they did.
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She may have made the beds but didn't move into the house until FIVE YEARS LATER! What do you expect the woman to do, leave the bloodied sheets?
No,that's right------------they'd have been damp and not aired after 5 years.
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No,that's right------------they'd have been damp and not aired after 5 years.
Someone had to change the bedding, Lookout. The police wouldn't have done. My neighbour had to clean her sister's garage after her brother in law slit his wrists.
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The fact that Ann Eaton didn't clean up the bloodied lamp and blood stains in the master bedroom makes me think she didn't have anything to do with any conspiracy which it's alleged some of the relatives undertook.
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Someone had to change the bedding, Lookout. The police wouldn't have done. My neighbour had to clean her sister's garage after her brother in law slit his wrists.
But leaving a made-up bed for 5 years ? Why not have disposed of the whole lot ? I don't get it.
Cleaning up after an accident is quite different.
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But leaving a made-up bed for 5 years ? Why not have disposed of the whole lot ? I don't get it.
Cleaning up after an accident is quite different.
I don't believe she did leave those bloodied beds for 5 years, Lookout and I'm sure you don't need me to draw a picture of how they'd have been after all that time if she had. It's simply that she and her family didn't move there for 5 years.
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I don't believe she did leave those bloodied beds for 5 years, Lookout and I'm sure you don't need me to draw a picture of how they'd have been after all that time if she had. It's simply that she and her family didn't move there for 5 years.
As Steve has just pointed out,nobody bothered about the cleaning of blood from the lampshade ( or the dumping of it ) and because AE was dab-hand at ripping wallpaper,why leave that in its bloodied state ?
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As Steve has just pointed out,nobody bothered about the cleaning of blood from the lampshade ( or the dumping of it ) and because AE was dab-hand at ripping wallpaper,why leave that in its bloodied state ?
You prioritise your way, Ann did it her way. You seem uber critical of anyone who doesn't do it -whatever IT is- your way.
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You prioritise your way, Ann did it her way. You seem uber critical of anyone who doesn't do it -whatever IT is- your way.
jane that sounds like that famous singer ,who sang,i did it myyy wayyy
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You prioritise your way, Ann did it her way. You seem uber critical of anyone who doesn't do it -whatever IT is- your way.
It just seems a strange way of doing. I don't think I'd like to be reminded seeing blood on the lampshade and wallpaper. There again,AE rinsed out knickers from a blood-filled bucket.? What was that all about ?
To my mind,AE obviously DIDN'T think Jeremy was guilty or all that lot would have been left-----don't you worry.It was the contents of the will that changed everyone's mind !! Not the fact that they thought he was guilty.
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jane that sounds like that famous singer ,who sang,i did it myyy wayyy
sami what a lovely singer you are :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) X
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It just seems a strange way of doing. I don't think I'd like to be reminded seeing blood on the lampshade and wallpaper. There again,AE rinsed out knickers from a blood-filled bucket.? What was that all about ?
To my mind,AE obviously DIDN'T think Jeremy was guilty or all that lot would have been left-----don't you worry.It was the contents of the will that changed everyone's mind !! Not the fact that they thought he was guilty.
maybe she had a fettish for knickers.i think it was a few things jb said that alerted them.ie.sc had used all weapons in whf and was proficent with them.the sights and silencer were not normally attached to that rifle.he had a wonderfull realationships with his parents
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sami what a lovely singer you are :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) X
thank you sue,x,nice to be appriciated ;D
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It just seems a strange way of doing. I don't think I'd like to be reminded seeing blood on the lampshade and wallpaper. There again,AE rinsed out knickers from a blood-filled bucket.? What was that all about ?
To my mind,AE obviously DIDN'T think Jeremy was guilty or all that lot would have been left-----don't you worry.It was the contents of the will that changed everyone's mind !! Not the fact that they thought he was guilty.
Left for what? The police had already seen the buckets!
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It just seems a strange way of doing. I don't think I'd like to be reminded seeing blood on the lampshade and wallpaper. There again,AE rinsed out knickers from a blood-filled bucket.? What was that all about ?
To my mind,AE obviously DIDN'T think Jeremy was guilty or all that lot would have been left-----don't you worry.It was the contents of the will that changed everyone's mind !! Not the fact that they thought he was guilty.
Nor do I believe, would I, Lookout, but I hasten to remind you that this isn't about US. I would put changing bloodied sheets and rinsing bloodied knickers in the same bracket as, apparently, did Ann, leaving wallpaper and lamp for later, according to how badly stained they were.
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Nor do I believe, would I, Lookout, but I hasten to remind you that this isn't about US. I would put changing bloodied sheets and rinsing bloodied knickers in the same bracket as, apparently, did Ann, leaving wallpaper and lamp for later, according to how badly stained they were.
Just saying that I wouldn't have wanted being reminded of what had happened. Depends how hard you are I suppose. It takes me back to my hospital days when I helped a senior nurse make the bed of a nine year old who'd died of yellow jaundice. It upset me badly and I'd rather not have been in that side ward at all. It was mainly the death of children which affected me and I knew I could never get used to that,whereas when it came to adults I'd accepted it,in a way,but still a sad time of life.
Maybe when one doesn't/hadn't seen them on a regular basis,it was different ??
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Just saying that I wouldn't have wanted being reminded of what had happened. Depends how hard you are I suppose. It takes me back to my hospital days when I helped a senior nurse make the bed of a nine year old who'd died of yellow jaundice. It upset me badly and I'd rather not have been in that side ward at all. It was mainly the death of children which affected me and I knew I could never get used to that,whereas when it came to adults I'd accepted it,in a way,but still a sad time of life.
Maybe when one doesn't/hadn't seen them on a regular basis,it was different ??
It seems to me, lookout, that Ann MAY have been bought up in a way you'd fully condone, ie she'd been taught obedience and she did what she considered was her duty and put it above her personal feelings.
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It just seems a strange way of doing. I don't think I'd like to be reminded seeing blood on the lampshade and wallpaper. There again,AE rinsed out knickers from a blood-filled bucket.? What was that all about ?
To my mind,AE obviously DIDN'T think Jeremy was guilty or all that lot would have been left-----don't you worry.It was the contents of the will that changed everyone's mind !! Not the fact that they thought he was guilty.
How do you know there is a blood stained lampshade anyway?
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How do you know there is a blood stained lampshade anyway?
We've read enough about it haven't we,along with the bloodstained wallpaper.?
I wouldn't be surprised if you were one that pointed it out when you thought JB was innocent. It's surprising how your memory fades,conveniently,when you start your" investigations" from another angle ?
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what i find interesting is the broken lampshade in the kitchen.theres only two ways it could have been broken,1,the rifle was being weilded about to strike nb or both nb and the killer both had their hands on it and were fighting for control of it,it also begs the question would sc have had the strength to hit someone or something so hard with the rifle it broke a piece of the stock off.i very much doubt it
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We've read enough about it haven't we,along with the bloodstained wallpaper.?
I wouldn't be surprised if you were one that pointed it out when you thought JB was innocent. It's surprising how your memory fades,conveniently,when you start your" investigations" from another angle ?
Nope, not me, so there is no evidence of this - just gossip!
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what i find interesting is the broken lampshade in the kitchen.theres only two ways it could have been broken,1,the rifle was being weilded about to strike nb or both nb and the killer both had their hands on it and were fighting for control of it,it also begs the question would sc have had the strength to hit someone or something so hard with the rifle it broke a piece of the stock off.i very much doubt it
There is another possibility, the killer made it look like there was a huge fight and broke the light fitting on purpose.
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There is another possibility, the killer made it look like there was a huge fight and broke the light fitting on purpose.
true caroline,i didnt think of that ;)
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Nope, not me, so there is no evidence of this - just gossip!
Indeed, the whole case was based on gossip.
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anybody know which wood was used to make the stock on that rifle
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There is another possibility, the killer made it look like there was a huge fight and broke the light fitting on purpose.
The " killer ?" You forgot to name JB. Another memory lapse ?
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The " killer ?" You forgot to name JB. Another memory lapse ?
jb is the killer in our eyes,but not yours,so i think caroline was just being polite :)
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The " killer ?" You forgot to name JB. Another memory lapse ?
Nothing wrong with my memory Lookout. What do you mean 'another' YOU mentioned the lampshade - that is nothing to do with me Clearly its something YOU have latched onto without ANY supporting evidence or reference. Rather than admit that, you try and push it onto someone else. This is YOUR claim NOT mine!
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There is another possibility, the killer made it look like there was a huge fight and broke the light fitting on purpose.
That is a possibility Caroline, we do tend to be lulled into acceptance rather than questioning what has become the accepted truth' of what happened that night. In fact if we think outside the box we realise there are other possibilities which are not often considered.
I along with quite a few others believe Nevill was hit when he was already collapsed on a chair, how else could anyone have hit him as hard as would have been necessary, if he was standing? He was head and shoulders taller than Sheila therefore it would have been impossible for her to get near him if he was standing and also quite a good 4 inches taller than Jeremy which although easier would still have been a challenge if Jeremy had tried to bash him that way, because Nevill's reach as well as his height would have been a huge advantage.
This does call into question the whole idea of the 'struggle in the kitchen' imo, including the paint on the silencer and scratches on the stone lintel.
It would have been easy enough to lay into Neil once he was felled but still alive and then to trash the kitchen to imply there had been a mammoth struggle. Considering the suggested strength of the struggle there is very little evidence of blood spillage and spattering.
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That is a possibility Caroline, we do tend to be lulled into acceptance rather than questioning what has become the accepted truth' of what happened that night. In fact if we think outside the box we realise there are other possibilities which are not often considered.
I believe Nevill was hit when he was already collapsed on a chair, how else could anyone have hit him as hard as would have been necessary if he was standing? He was head and shoulders taller than Sheila therefore it would have been impossible for her to get near him if he was standing and also quite a good 4 inches taller than Jeremy which although easier would still have been a challenge if Jeremy had tried to bash him that way as Nevill's reach as well as his height would have been a huge advantage.
This does call into question the whole idea of the 'struggle in the kitchen' imo, including the paint on the silencer and scratches on the stone lintel.
It would have been easy enough to lay into Neil once he was felled but still alive and then to trash the kitchen to imply there had been a mammoth struggle. Considering the suggested strength of the struggle there is very little evidence of blood spillage and spattering.
maggie,what do you think the killer hoped to gain by staging the scene to look as if a big fight had taken place.nb had wounds to the jaw and arm when he made it to kitchen ,the wounds were not in vital areas being .22 rounds they would not cause as much blood loss as higher calliba bullets,i think nb fought hard for his life,your right the non gunshot wounds appear to have been made while the killer was above nb or nb was slumped,what blood splatter could occour with black eyes and broken nose.and lacirations to the head.very little i think ,jb could easily have cleaned the rifle of any blood.rifles are solidly built the broken stock suggests it was struck against something with extreme force and strength far more than i imagine sc to have.imo
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maggie,what do you think the killer hoped to gain by staging the scene to look as if a big fight had taken place.nb had wounds to the jaw and arm when he made it to kitchen ,the wounds were not in vital areas being .22 rounds they would not cause as much blood loss as higher calliba bullets,i think nb fought hard for his life,your right the non gunshot wounds appear to have been made while the killer was above nb or nb was slumped,what blood splatter could occour with black eyes and broken nose.and lacirations to the head.very little i think ,jb could easily have cleaned the rifle of any blood.rifles are solidly built the broken stock suggests it was struck against something with extreme force and strength far more than i imagine sc to have.imo
Sami, It's my opinion that Jeremy would have attempted to get in side the mind of someone -Sheila- who had gone mad to recreate what he thought she'd do. So haphazard/random/unstructured mayhem would have fitted the bill.
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maggie,what do you think the killer hoped to gain by staging the scene to look as if a big fight had taken place.nb had wounds to the jaw and arm when he made it to kitchen ,the wounds were not in vital areas being .22 rounds they would not cause as much blood loss as higher calliba bullets,i think nb fought hard for his life,your right the non gunshot wounds appear to have been made while the killer was above nb or nb was slumped,what blood splatter could occour with black eyes and broken nose.and lacirations to the head.very little i think ,jb could easily have cleaned the rifle of any blood.rifles are solidly built the broken stock suggests it was struck against something with extreme force and strength far more than i imagine sc to have.imo
Hi sami
If JB was the perpetrator he may have tried to set the scene as he visualised it would have been if Nevill had been confronted by Sheila in a psychotic rage. If it was JB's handiwork he did quite a good job because the 'struggle in the kitchen' is accepted as fact by many.
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anybody know which wood was used to make the stock on that rifle
European Walnut
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European Walnut
thank you,david
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Hi sami
If JB was the perpetrator he may have tried to set the scene as he visualised it would have been if Nevill had been confronted by Sheila in a psychotic rage. If it was JB's handiwork he did quite a good job because the 'struggle in the kitchen' is accepted as fact by many.
thank you,maggie.i understand what you mean now
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Sami, It's my opinion that Jeremy would have attempted to get in side the mind of someone -Sheila- who had gone mad to recreate what he thought she'd do. So haphazard/random/unstructured mayhem would have fitted the bill.
yes jane,that also makes sense
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Sheila wasn't the type to let anyone " into her mind ".She had a mind of her own and had done what SHE'D wanted to do.
I wish people wouldn't describe Sheila in this way-------she was no fool and probably hated being told what to do.
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Sheila wasn't the type to let anyone " into her mind ".She had a mind of her own and had done what SHE'D wanted to do.
I wish people wouldn't describe Sheila in this way-------she was no fool and probably hated being told what to do.
with all respect,sc would have had no choice if jb decided to get into her mind and think like her and mimic what she would have done,how could she stop him.no fool i agree but very mentally ill
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i doubt if jb had done any scene stageing in the kitchen ,because he would have backed up the phone call alibi by bringing the phone to a dead nb and placing it in his hands so as to get blood on it,than return it back to where it was found also may have scooped some blood up from nb and dropped little blobs nears the counter,than no one could dispute nb's alledged phone call
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i doubt if jb had done any scene stageing in the kitchen ,because he would have backed up the phone call alibi by bringing the phone to a dead nb and placing it in his hands so as to get blood on it,than return it back to where it was found also may have scooped some blood up from nb and dropped little blobs nears the counter,than no one could dispute nb's alledged phone call
I understand what you are saying sami but if JB was the murderer he didn't seem to always cover his tracks very well.
It's easy looking at the murder scene with hindsight and thinking he would have done this or the other but we aren't in the situation he would have been in. To him he probably would have thought he had done enough. :-\
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Does anyone have a JB pen yet? ::)
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I understand what you are saying sami but if JB was the murderer he didn't seem to always cover his tracks very well.
It's easy looking at the murder scene with hindsight and thinking he would have done this or the other but we aren't in the situation he would have been in. To him he probably would have thought he had done enough. :-\
true,we also cannot be sure about how much time the murderer took,ie was he calm enough to take all the time he needed or was maybe spooken by the comotion if there was any ,and left asap without doing every thing that he wanted to.we will never know if there was any screaming or shouting from the victims
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Does anyone have a JB pen yet? ::)
oh dont mention that david,ive had a late lunch and the thought of pen might bring it up ;D
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one slip of her thumb on the wax coated bullets would have tore that thumb nail clean away .she pushed in at least 15 bullets while in a pyscotic state
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Does anyone have a JB pen yet? ::)
Not yet but I will get a couple because they're easier to use when you've got dodgy thumb joints :)) :))
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Does anyone have a JB pen yet? ::)
No but I might get one and put it in my Jack The Ripper pencil case inside my Ted Bundy backpack.
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No but I might get one and put it in my Jack The Ripper pencil case inside my Ted Bundy backpack.
It does seem in thoroughly bad taste, even though it may only be a token.
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No but I might get one and put it in my Jack The Ripper pencil case inside my Ted Bundy backpack.
very witty ,mat :)) :)) :))
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Not yet but I will get a couple because they're easier to use when you've got dodgy thumb joints :)) :))
come clean lookout is that the only reason. i wont tell anyone ;) :)
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It does seem in thoroughly bad taste, even though it may only be a token.
yes,to us it does steve but to those who believe jb is innocent its not that sinister ,which is fair enough,respect all views and all that
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No but I might get one and put it in my Jack The Ripper pencil case inside my Ted Bundy backpack.
Ha, ha!! Don't forget the Jeffrey Dahmer lunch box and matching flask!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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No but I might get one and put it in my Jack The Ripper pencil case inside my Ted Bundy backpack.
Don't forget to get one of these
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0981/3836/products/Ted-Bundy-Serial-Killer-Tee_grande.jpg?v=1455603473)
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also david lets not forget the albert de salvo pearl choker necklace,for the older women,he made quite a few. ;)
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I think these Vlogs are a " sweetener " for what's to come as I still have the feeling that she's holding back.
Yes and the sweetener has just hit my email address from the campaign Twitter, asking for people to sign up for direct debit payments to help fund Bamber. Maybe that's what the pens are for signing Bamber cheques or bank direct debits?
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Yes and the sweetener has just hit my email address from the campaign Twitter, asking for people to sign up for direct debit payments to help fund Bamber. Maybe that's what the pens are for signing Bamber cheques or bank direct debits?
spot on justice and very witty :)) :)) :))
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Yes and the sweetener has just hit my email address from the campaign Twitter, asking for people to sign up for direct debit payments to help fund Bamber. Maybe that's what the pens are for signing Bamber cheques or bank direct debits?
Wow! - No words!!
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Wow! - No words!!
Jeremy Bamber tweeted: Make a Donation... Set up a Standing Order... YOU can make a difference... #JeremyBamber
It had got 3 likes, would look very nice walking into my bank and saying, please could I set up a standing order to make payments to Jeremy Bamber please. I wonder if you send it to Trudi? Or anyone else at the campaign team?
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Jeremy Bamber tweeted: Make a Donation... Set up a Standing Order... YOU can make a difference... #JeremyBamber
i fully expected someone with his demina,not to beat round the bush,straight for the jugular ;)
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i fully expected some with his demina,not to beat round the bush,straight for the jugular ;)
Quite a few have been taken in Sami, I always think of poor Daisy and how she was treated
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Yes and the sweetener has just hit my email address from the campaign Twitter, asking for people to sign up for direct debit payments to help fund Bamber. Maybe that's what the pens are for signing Bamber cheques or bank direct debits?
Does it state that you HAVE to ??
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Quite a few have been taken in Sami, I always think of poor Daisy and how she was treated
yes ive heard of another woman who told jb she could no longer send him money as she hadnt got much left.her treatment by jb after that comment made her breakdown,sad
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Quite a few have been taken in Sami, I always think of poor Daisy and how she was treated
Monies go to fund the EXTORTIONATE charges of the various companies involved in investigating because there's no legal aid. What else can anyone do but to send donations ? Even those who've fallen ill,or had accidents abroad have to start funds/donations to bring them home. This country won't help anyone where there are unforseen circumstances and I think it's shocking.
Everyone is held over a barrel.It's either pay up or tuff.
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Does it state that you HAVE to ??
If you read it correctly it says ASKING, so put your glasses on. Must be awful for you to try and have to defend everything that is said about Bamber, when there are other things in life to take up your time? You seem to spend every minute of your happy life defending him. Well I suppose each to their own, enjoy. 28,000 posts later.
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Monies go to fund the EXTORTIONATE charges of the various companies involved in investigating because there's no legal aid. What else can anyone do but to send donations ? Even those who've fallen ill,or had accidents abroad have to start funds/donations to bring them home. This country won't help anyone where there are unforseen circumstances and I think it's shocking.
Everyone is held over a barrel.It's either pay up or tuff.
It's not really the donations issue, it the fact that they are asking for DD's.
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If you read it correctly it says ASKING, so put your glasses on. Must be awful for you to try and have to defend everything that is said about Bamber, when there are other things in life to take up your time? You seem to spend every minute of your happy life defending him. Well I suppose each to their own, enjoy. 28,000 posts later.
First it was just one off donations, now it's DD's! What's next? Sending the boy around? ;) ;D
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yes ive heard of another woman who told jb she could no longer send him money as she hadnt got much left.her treatment by jb after that comment made her breakdown,sad
Really? When was that Sami?
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If you read it correctly it says ASKING, so put your glasses on. Must be awful for you to try and have to defend everything that is said about Bamber, when there are other things in life to take up your time? You seem to spend every minute of your happy life defending him. Well I suppose each to their own, enjoy. 28,000 posts later.
You should get that NASTY illness of yours sorted !!
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If you read it correctly it says ASKING, so put your glasses on. Must be awful for you to try and have to defend everything that is said about Bamber, when there are other things in life to take up your time? You seem to spend every minute of your happy life defending him. Well I suppose each to their own, enjoy. 28,000 posts later.
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Another pathetic brown nose !!
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Anyone got the guts to tell Trudi to remove her Tweets/Vlogs,that they're all lies ? NO ! And I don't see any objections to them either or anyone disputing their authenticity.
So,you brave ones,how about e-mailing Trudi to tell her that she has a fight on her hands,that her Vlogs are liable in coming under slander/libel/defamation towards EP, and others ? Go on,I dare you !!
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Anyone got the guts to tell Trudi to remove her Tweets/Vlogs,that they're all lies ? NO ! And I don't see any objections to them either or anyone disputing their authenticity.
So,you brave ones,how about e-mailing Trudi to tell her that she has a fight on her hands,that her Vlogs are liable in coming under slander/libel/defamation towards EP, and others ? Go on,I dare you !!
Hello Lookout
consider it done hahaha could never resist a dare think I might this time :))
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Hello Lookout
consider it done hahaha could never resist a dare think I might this time :))
Hi Susan. Jolly well done girl. I like your style. I would do the same,believe me.
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Hello Lookout
consider it done hahaha could never resist a dare think I might this time :))
good for you ,sue,x
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Anyone got the guts to tell Trudi to remove her Tweets/Vlogs,that they're all lies ? NO ! And I don't see any objections to them either or anyone disputing their authenticity.
So,you brave ones,how about e-mailing Trudi to tell her that she has a fight on her hands,that her Vlogs are liable in coming under slander/libel/defamation towards EP, and others ? Go on,I dare you !!
no we wont do that cause they are a good laugh,most members find them funny,is she the cosa nostra :)) :))
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no we wont do that cause they are a good laugh,most members find them funny,is she the cosa nostra :)) :))
Is that your excuse " cause they are a good laugh ?" Or are you scared of the answer you'd get ?
At least that way she wouldn't see either the red face or the chin covered in egg !!
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Hi Susan. Jolly well done girl. I like your style. I would do the same,believe me.
Brown nose? Or is it something different when you do it?
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Brown nose? Or is it something different when you do it?
I don't do brown nosing and can't stand anyone who does either. I'm my own person and don't need to follow any leader or be a member of a flock ( sheeples )
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I don't do brown nosing and can't stand anyone who does either. I'm my own person and don't need to follow any leader or be a member of a flock ( sheeples )
good for you lookout,but theres no harm in agreeing with other members on jb's guilt ;D
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good for you lookout,but theres no harm in agreeing with other members on jb's guilt ;D
Can I ask what your aim is ? Or are your friends pm-ing you to aggravate ? As they TRY to do :)) :)) :)) :))
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Can I ask what your aim is ? Or are your friends pm-ing you to aggravate ? As they TRY to do :)) :)) :)) :))
to learn more facts on the case,iam sure you do the above but we dont,so sorry no pm's,back to the topic ,what is the latest from trudi
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Can I ask what your aim is ? Or are your friends pm-ing you to aggravate ? As they TRY to do :)) :)) :)) :))
I think you flatter yourself - no one come here with you in mind.
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I think you flatter yourself - no one come here with you in mind.
What on earth are you prattling about now ? Flatter myself ? You must be joking.
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Pens anyone? ;D ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3w0xP8Ixus
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Can I ask what your aim is ? Or are your friends pm-ing you to aggravate ? As they TRY to do :)) :)) :)) :))
I think you flatter yourself - no one come here with you in mind.
No one comes here to aggravate you - if you feel aggravated - that's down to you.
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Pens anyone? ;D ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3w0xP8Ixus
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No one comes here to aggravate you - if you feel aggravated - that's down to you.
I don't feel aggravated-----just got-at because I support JB and I fail to see what the problem with that is.
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I don't feel aggravated-----just got-at because I support JB and I fail to see what the problem with that is.
could you be suffering slight paranoia
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I don't feel aggravated-----just got-at because I support JB and I fail to see what the problem with that is.
There is no problem with that, I think you should stand up for what you believe in. I might not agree but that's the whole point of debate. I do believe that you genuinely believe he's innocent, just as I believe he's guilty.
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could you be suffering slight paranoia
No-----------but I know a few who do.
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No-----------but I know a few who do.
Such as?
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anyway just been to bank and tryed to set up DD,they threw me out,will report it to banking ombudsman. :)) :))
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anyway just been to bank and tryed to set up DD,they threw me out,will report it to banking ombudsman. :)) :))
Not Bamber supporters then? ;D
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anyway just been to bank and tryed to set up DD,they threw me out,will report it to banking ombudsman. :)) :))
Sad to hear that Sami, have you tried the bank that likes to say yes? TSB, Trudi Supports Bamber, or BB, Banking with Bamber?
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Sad to hear that Sami, have you tried the bank that likes to say yes? TSB, Trudi Supports Bamber, or BB, Banking with Bamber?
excellently witty justice, :)) :)) :))
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Not Bamber supporters then? ;D
no iam afraid not,i even offered them the jb pens,well that only made them worse :)) :)) :))
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Sad to hear that Sami, have you tried the bank that likes to say yes? TSB, Trudi Supports Bamber, or BB, Banking with Bamber?
;D ;D ;D
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no iam afraid not,i even offered them the jb pens,well that only made them worse :)) :)) :))
Try Baking a cake for them next time Sami, one of Jeremy's recipe's and then hide a JB pen in the middle?
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Try Baking a cake for them next time Sami, one of Jeremy's recipe's and then hide a JB pen in the middle?
yes that might just work justice,but i will put a extra few pens in just incase they would like to give one to their grndchildren :)) :)) :)) :))
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https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.the-newshub.com/general/jeremy-bamber-a-thirty-year-injustice881&ved=0ahUKEwjVm5XZv7HNAhXqAsAKHdYOC2IQqQIIGygBMAA&usg=AFQjCNEcl2isjJqxbCLhxBixIlkY1IsH8g
Here is the latest from Poppy.
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Here is the latest from Poppy.
Nicholas and Daniel Caffell won't feel the bracing salt air against their skin again, neither will they run through golden meadows of corn or pick the budding marsh marigolds. I don't care whether Bamber has access to the internet or not: maybe as he browses it will finally bring home to him what devastation he has caused.
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Nicholas and Daniel Caffell won't feel the bracing salt air against their skin again, neither will they run through golden meadows of corn or pick the budding marsh marigolds. I don't care whether Bamber has access to the internet or not: maybe as he browses it will finally bring home to him what devastation he has caused.
I would say that it's difficult " to browse the devastation " when he had nothing to do with it. He can only picture what brought about the destruction of his family by the hand of a deranged and unstable sister,as like us all,we weren't there that night to witness what happened.
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I would say that it's difficult " to browse the devastation " when he had nothing to do with it. He can only picture what brought about the destruction of his family by the hand of a deranged and unstable sister,as like us all,we weren't there that night to witness what happened.
Lookout I do accept that you and Mike are genuine people who believe sincerely that Bamber is innocent, and as such every day that passes must be incredibly frustrating to you both. However those of us who consider Bamber guilty find the gimmicks involved in the release campaign which have included a bake off, a grave reading and now the distribution of biros incredibly tacky and must make Colin equally frustrated if Poppy's and other people's endeavours have reached his consciousness.
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Lookout I do accept that you and Mike are genuine people who believe sincerely that Bamber is innocent, and as such every day that passes must be incredibly frustrating to you both. However those of us who consider Bamber guilty find the gimmicks involved in the release campaign which have included a bake off, a grave reading and now the distribution of biros incredibly tacky and must make Colin equally frustrated if Poppy's and other people's endeavours have reached his consciousness.
well said steve,twins would be grown men now maybe with wifes and kids of their own,had he not killed them
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Lookout I do accept that you and Mike are genuine people who believe sincerely that Bamber is innocent, and as such every day that passes must be incredibly frustrating to you both. However those of us who consider Bamber guilty find the gimmicks involved in the release campaign which have included a bake off, a grave reading and now the distribution of biros incredibly tacky and must make Colin equally frustrated if Poppy's and other people's endeavours have reached his consciousness.
It's gotten worse over recent years - 'side show' springs to mind. He's really only selling snake oil but manages to still mesmerise from the side lines!
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It's gotten worse over recent years - 'side show' springs to mind. He's really only selling snake oil but manages to still mesmerise from the side lines!
he's got an evil carissimah that many fall for ;)
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Lookout I do accept that you and Mike are genuine people who believe sincerely that Bamber is innocent, and as such every day that passes must be incredibly frustrating to you both. However those of us who consider Bamber guilty find the gimmicks involved in the release campaign which have included a bake off, a grave reading and now the distribution of biros incredibly tacky and must make Colin equally frustrated if Poppy's and other people's endeavours have reached his consciousness.
Public awareness is all that JB has in his fight for freedom and I see no wrong in what Trudi or anyone else is doing,although I didn't agree with the bake-off because I don't believe that June did either of her children any favours,least of all Sheila,although Jeremy wouldn't have seen any wrong in her it's obvious.
As for donations,they come in thick and fast from every direction as I've received one this morning for Jo Cox. I have donated to Cancer UK,The Heart Foundation, Aniimals of Africa,PDSA,RSPCA,Save the Children,sent clothes to Calais.
Up to now I haven't bought any JB pens,nor have I donated as yet simply because I'm inundated with various other charities and help in getting sick Brits home from abroad who haven't got the funds to do so.
It's not only all about Jeremy,so I'm not just focussed here.
No donations are " tacky ",they're a means of raising funds in which to pay for vital work carried out in this case so that JB doesn't have to endure any more time unnecessarily locked up than he has to .
Why I'm being preached to like this is something I can't get my head around. I have Adam telling me that I " must change stance ?" What's that about ? I can only imagine the type of people that you are,which aren't my type that's for sure. I would never play the guilt/sympathy call it what you like,card,to GET AT somebody,which tells me something about the people I'm up against which is why I'm sometimes the way I am------on my guard !!
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Public awareness is all that JB has in his fight for freedom and I see no wrong in what Trudi or anyone else is doing,although I didn't agree with the bake-off because I don't believe that June did either of her children any favours,least of all Sheila,although Jeremy wouldn't have seen any wrong in her it's obvious.
As for donations,they come in thick and fast from every direction as I've received one this morning for Jo Cox. I have donated to Cancer UK,The Heart Foundation, Aniimals of Africa,PDSA,RSPCA,Save the Children,sent clothes to Calais.
Up to now I haven't bought any JB pens,nor have I donated as yet simply because I'm inundated with various other charities and help in getting sick Brits home from abroad who haven't got the funds to do so.
It's not only all about Jeremy,so I'm not just focussed here.
No donations are " tacky ",they're a means of raising funds in which to pay for vital work carried out in this case so that JB doesn't have to endure any more time unnecessarily locked up than he has to .
Why I'm being preached to like this is something I can't get my head around. I have Adam telling me that I " must change stance ?" What's that about ? I can only imagine the type of people that you are,which aren't my type that's for sure. I would never play the guilt/sympathy call it what you like,card,to GET AT somebody,which tells me something about the people I'm up against which is why I'm sometimes the way I am------on my guard !!
you really are a caring person lookout,iam surprised jb or the ct havnt got in touch with you to say forget the others and send all you can to jb :)
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you really are a caring person lookout,iam surprised jb or the ct havnt got in touch with you to say forget the others and send all you can to jb :)
It's because " the others " haven't got a thinking mind like you have.!
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It's because " the others " haven't got a thinking mind like you have.!
thank you lookout :)
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God help us.! I shall repeat my phrase," where ignorance is bliss " etc etc.
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God help us.! I shall repeat my phrase," where ignorance is bliss " etc etc.
i agree many thanks lookout :)
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It is a judge's duty to confront deep-seated psychological and personal issues when a crime as extreme as this was was committed. This to my knowledge was NEVER done as I don't expect Sheila's notes saw daylight during the trial. It was easier to point a finger at Jeremy.
Sheila's background as well as Jeremy's should have been studied to see if there'd been an indicator of her erratic behaviour and the circumstances which brought about her mental health issues because they don't happen overnight. There was far more evidence to Sheila's uncertain and unbalanced background than there is to Jeremy's. The law is an ass and it's so unfair.
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It is a judge's duty to confront deep-seated psychological and personal issues when a crime as extreme as this was was committed. This to my knowledge was NEVER done as I don't expect Sheila's notes saw daylight during the trial. It was easier to point a finger at Jeremy.
Sheila's background as well as Jeremy's should have been studied to see if there'd been an indicator of her erratic behaviour and the circumstances which brought about her mental health issues because they don't happen overnight. There was far more evidence to Sheila's uncertain and unbalanced background than there is to Jeremy's. The law is an ass and it's so unfair.
No one is denying Sheila's mental frailty, but such doesn't make her a murderer.
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No one is denying Sheila's mental frailty, but such doesn't make her a murderer.
Why doesn't it,and you'd know would you ?
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Why doesn't it,and you'd know would you ?
Are you saying that those with mental health issues never kill/murder ?
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Why doesn't it,and you'd know would you ?
I know with certainty, that whilst such illness CAN lead to terrible tragedies, it ISN'T a given and the VAST majority DON'T. You are the only one who insists that it is so on the grounds that you'll do anything to have Jeremy exonerated, even to point a n accusing finger at June.
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It's gotten worse over recent years - 'side show' springs to mind. He's really only selling snake oil but manages to still mesmerise from the side lines!
Side show seems a good explanation for the CT. It's all about attention and being seen as close to Jeremy as if that's something to boast about.
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Are you saying that those with mental health issues never kill/murder ?
NO!!! Most certainly NOT. I'm not the one who can only see in terms of black or white.
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NO!!! Most certainly NOT. I'm not the one who can only see in terms of black or white.
So why do you think that those with mental health issues go on to murder ? What do you think their reasons are for doing so ?
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So why do you think that those with mental health issues go on to murder ? What do you think their reasons are for doing so ?
Funny how you're reluctant to talk about all those who daily live with mental illness and NEVER "go on to murder".
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So why do you think that those with mental health issues go on to murder ? What do you think their reasons are for doing so ?
Plenty of people suffer from mental issues and brain illnesses and don't go on to murder or harm themselves or other people. You're stigmatising a hell of a lot of people to make a poor point.
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Plenty of people suffer from mental issues and brain illnesses and don't go on to murder or harm themselves or other people. You're stigmatising a hell of a lot of people to make a poor point.
good point mat,my mates brother has had serious mental health problems for over 30yrs including hearing voices and he has never harmed anyone or himself in all that time,he just lives in a world of his own :)
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Funny how you're reluctant to talk about all those who daily live with mental illness and NEVER "go on to murder".
I didn't say ALL. I also don't know the exact percentage who do go on to murder,do you ? But I know they do and all I asked you was did you know why. What would be their reason ?
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I didn't say ALL. I also don't know the exact percentage who do go on to murder,do you ? But I know they do and all I asked you was did you know why. What would be their reason ?
But you insist that Sheila HAS to be -MUST be- one of that, I'm willing to bet, VERY tiny number. To know why, we have to break down the numbers into age, sex, status, ethnicity and numerous other variables.
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But you insist that Sheila HAS to be -MUST be- one of that, I'm willing to bet, VERY tiny number. To know why, we have to break down the numbers into age, sex, status, ethnicity and numerous other variables.
its just an excuse jane,lets face it ,jb used it to expertly,thats why he was eager to know when sheila and the twins were coming ;)
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But you insist that Sheila HAS to be -MUST be- one of that, I'm willing to bet, VERY tiny number. To know why, we have to break down the numbers into age, sex, status, ethnicity and numerous other variables.
I asked you why do you think they'd commit murder,for what reason ? I didn't expect a half-baked answer that meant nothing.
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I asked you why do you think they'd commit murder,for what reason ? I didn't expect a half-baked answer that meant nothing.
there could be a million reasons WHY,thats what 'numerous other variables means',come on now
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I asked you why do you think they'd commit murder,for what reason ? I didn't expect a half-baked answer that meant nothing.
The "WHY" still has to be broken down, Lookout. We can't get an answer from the few who commit suicide after murdering. Some of the others may not know. Some may say that they heard voices -I don't recall it ever being mentioned that Sheila was one of that number. Some may say that they felt under attack.
Had there been any incidences of Sheila EVER having attacked anyone previously -and I refuse to accept that the marital spats fell in that category- the might be some credence to what you believe, but as it stands, all you appear to be doing is using her illness and adding everything, including the kitchen sink to the mix, to make her and/or June, guilty. Not so different from what Jeremy did, really.
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The "WHY" still has to be broken down, Lookout. We can't get an answer from the few who commit suicide after murdering. Some of the others may not know. Some may say that they heard voices -I don't recall it ever being mentioned that Sheila was one of that number. Some may say that they felt under attack.
Had there been any incidences of Sheila EVER having attacked anyone previously -and I refuse to accept that the marital spats fell in that category- the might be some credence to what you believe, but as it stands, all you appear to be doing is using her illness and adding everything, including the kitchen sink to the mix, to make her and/or June, guilty. Not so different from what Jeremy did, really.
If Jeremy had had Sheila's background then there'd have been no question about who committed the murders. Right ?
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If Jeremy had had Sheila's background then there'd have been no question about who committed the murders. Right ?
not at all .one would still have to look at the evidence
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If Jeremy had had Sheila's background then there'd have been no question about who committed the murders. Right ?
Well, let's put it this way. If Sheila had been heard to say that she hated her parents or would have no problem killing them or had talked about who would own what if the house caught fire, there'd certainly be more of a question mark there.
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lets not forget that both jb and nb were fighting for their lives in the kitchen,YES JB ASWELL.because he knew if neville got the better of him he would be facing more than just life inprisonment he would get recommended term,iam sure he was fully aware of what childkillers get in prison.hence the rule 43
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Well, let's put it this way. If Sheila had been heard to say that she hated her parents or would have no problem killing them or had talked about who would own what if the house caught fire, there'd certainly be more of a question mark there.
Didn't Sheila go round telling all her friends including the psychiatrist that she didn't get on with her mother ? Didn't Sheila tell her psychiatrist that she could kill her children ? Wasn't the psychiatrist aware of Sheila's volatile relationship with her mother ?
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Why did Colin dislike June ?
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Didn't Sheila go round telling all her friends including the psychiatrist that she didn't get on with her mother ? Didn't Sheila tell her psychiatrist that she could kill her children ? Wasn't the psychiatrist aware of Sheila's volatile relationship with her mother ?
Yes. She said those things when she was ill the first time in 1983. During her 1985 illness she barely mentioned her family but she did tell AE that she was looking forward to seeing the boys.
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Why did Colin dislike June ?
He thought that she had poisoned her mind with religious zealotry(Colin used more prosaic expressions)and indeed June was a control freak par excellence until the end when she finally lost control..
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Why did Colin dislike June ?
we give in ,tell us why :)
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Why did Colin dislike June ?
There's a tradition that many men dislike their mothers in law. I don't believe Colin and June were a mutual appreciation society. I think whatever he felt for her, it was probably reciprocated.
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There's a tradition that many men dislike their mothers in law. I don't believe Colin and June were a mutual appreciation society. I think whatever he felt for her, it was probably reciprocated.
Just like a politician----------evading the question,avoiding the truth !
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Just like a politician----------evading the question,avoiding the truth !
Avoiding the truth? Do you actually believe that June had any greater affection for Colin, than he, for her?
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Avoiding the truth? Do you actually believe that June had any greater affection for Colin, than he, for her?
Did I mention affection ? NO ! I asked you why you thought Colin disliked her.
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i have to add my joke , i personally love my mother inlaw its her daughter i cant stand :)
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Did I mention affection ? NO ! I asked you why you thought Colin disliked her.
Simple. Colin was a free spirit. June was the antithesis. There was no common ground for their personalities.
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Simple. Colin was a free spirit. June was the antithesis. There was no common ground for their personalities.
Yes well put Jane. Colin would craft with his hands and not really care if his work was appreciated by others. June was stiff and scripted, possibly intimidated by her elder sister Pamela and longing to fit into the social conventions of the times.
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Simple. Colin was a free spirit. June was the antithesis. There was no common ground for their personalities.
Nope. I want the REAL truth as to why Colin disliked June.
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i have to add my joke , i personally love my mother inlaw its her daughter i cant stand :)
Ha ha nice one Sami, me and my mother in law got on fine for 20 years, then I met her.
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Nope. I want the REAL truth as to why Colin disliked June.
He saw how her mental health deteriorated every time she returned from a visit to White House Farm due to her constant self-questioning and low self-esteem. June also arranged for an abortion which Colin felt Sheila was pressured into agreeing to.
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Ha ha nice one Sami, me and my mother in law got on fine for 20 years, then I met her.
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Nope. I want the REAL truth as to why Colin disliked June.
ask him ,he's still alive,we can only guess
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Nope. I want the REAL truth as to why Colin disliked June.
No you don't, Lookout. You only want the truth you want it to be.
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I loved my mother-in-law--------and her son too. Then again,I get on with ANYONE who isn't a threat to me !
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I loved my mother-in-law--------and her son too. Then again,I get on with ANYONE who isn't a threat to me !
And you appear to see most as a threat and attack them, rather than see them as simply disagreeing with your opinions.
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I loved my mother-in-law--------and her son too. Then again,I get on with ANYONE who isn't a threat to me !
theres not threat on here lookout.your much liked on here,afterall it takes more than 1 to have a debate :)
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theres not threat on here lookout.your much liked on here,afterall it takes more than 1 to have a debate :)
As said with tongue in cheek.
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As said with tongue in cheek.
no i mean it,as iam sure the others do :)
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I loved my mother-in-law--------and her son too. Then again,I get on with ANYONE who isn't a threat to me !
I don't think anyone is a threat on here Lookout, although we have differences I am sure if we all met up we would all like and get on with one another. Besides this forum would not be the same without you. There are people on here I have shared my troubles and secrets with, the one thing this forum has done for me it has helped me through some hard times.
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I don't think anyone is a threat on here Lookout, although we have differences I am sure if we all met up we would all like and get on with one another. Besides this forum would not be the same without you. There are people on here I have shared my troubles and secrets with, the one thing this forum has done for me it has helped me through some hard times.
here here,well said justice,ive also received some kind remarks and advice from both sides :)
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I don't think anyone is a threat on here Lookout, although we have differences I am sure if we all met up we would all like and get on with one another. Besides this forum would not be the same without you. There are people on here I have shared my troubles and secrets with, the one thing this forum has done for me it has helped me through some hard times.
I suppose that's alright if you happen to be " batting for the same team ". That way you're everyone's friend.
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here here,well said justice,ive also received some kind remarks and advice from both sides :)
Glad to hear that Sami, you are a credit to the forum.
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Glad to hear that Sami, you are a credit to the forum.
thank you justice :)
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I suppose that's alright if you happen to be " batting for the same team ". That way you're everyone's friend.
I have always said it must be hard for you Lookout, most has been talked about and it's going over the same things, you do really well because you seem on your own most of the time. Most who believe him innocent have either left or given up.
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I suppose that's alright if you happen to be " batting for the same team ". That way you're everyone's friend.
you captain a pretty good team ,lookout,theres david,gringo,notsure,one or two others,i dont know about they batting averages :)
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I have always said it must be hard for you Lookout, most has been talked about and it's going over the same things, you do really well because you seem on your own most of the time. Most who believe him innocent have either left or given up.
It's sheer determination,loyalty and of course my strong belief in Jeremy's innocence.Like Jeremy,I'd fight to the finish to see justice being seen to be done. I'll never give up believing that he's innocent and I look forward to the day that he will be released.
It takes a special type of person to endure years of incarceration living with the hope that one day " the powers that be " will indeed get it right and the truth will eventually out. Jeremy has coped with his own belief that he's innocent which has kept him strong as that's the effect that the truth has on a person. Only liars lose their cool and in time it tells in its own way.
Going back to the day he was arrested,I remember it vividly and his face was one of bewilderment,confusion and a slight amusement as he realised that " they'd got it wrong " and he was convinced at that time that he wouldn't reign long during his arrest because he'd had so much faith in himself. Sadly,he hadn't realised at the time that there were those in the background who were waiting to usurp the position he'd been left in and when you're not a " blood " relative it made the job of convicting an innocent man a lot easier and less complicated so it would have seemed knowing that he had no family,or anyone to support him. It was pure hatred towards Jeremy that sealed his fate and not the fact that five people lay dead/murdered to which he was so wrongfully blamed for.
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It's sheer determination,loyalty and of course my strong belief in Jeremy's innocence.Like Jeremy,I'd fight to the finish to see justice being seen to be done. I'll never give up believing that he's innocent and I look forward to the day that he will be released.
It takes a special type of person to endure years of incarceration living with the hope that one day " the powers that be " will indeed get it right and the truth will eventually out. Jeremy has coped with his own belief that he's innocent which has kept him strong as that's the effect that the truth has on a person. Only liars lose their cool and in time it tells in its own way.
Going back to the day he was arrested,I remember it vividly and his face was one of bewilderment,confusion and a slight amusement as he realised that " they'd got it wrong " and he was convinced at that time that he wouldn't reign long during his arrest because he'd had so much faith in himself. Sadly,he hadn't realised at the time that there were those in the background who were waiting to usurp the position he'd been left in and when you're not a " blood " relative it made the job of convicting an innocent man a lot easier and less complicated so it would have seemed knowing that he had no family,or anyone to support him. It was pure hatred towards Jeremy that sealed his fate and not the fact that five people lay dead/murdered to which he was so wrongfully blamed for.
not all true,firstly killers and other criminals never confess to their crimes unless they are made to do so with undoubtable proof,off the top of my head i can tell you that the killers in the rettindon case 3 drug dealers shot in a rangerover .have not confessed their crimes over 20 yrs later for the simple fact theres no absolute proof against them and they know it,they were convicted on the word of a super grass and cellphone masts data ;D
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not all true,firstly killers and other criminals never confess to their crimes unless they are made to do so with undoubtable proof,off the top of my head i can tell you that the killers in the rettindon case 3 drug deals shot in a rangerover .have not confessed their crimes over 20 yrs later for the simple fact theres no absolute proof against them and they know it,they were convicted on the word of a super grass and cellphone masts data ;D
We're talking different sets of people here. The Rettendon murderers were a notorious gang of criminals and knew how to play the system. Jeremy was the patsy who was used in order to justify EP's abysmal record of catching criminals. They had to have one secured conviction out of half a dozen,didn't they ? ::)
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We're talking different sets of people here. The Rettendon murderers were a notorious gang of criminals and knew how to play the system. Jeremy was the patsy who was used in order to justify EP's abysmal record of catching criminals. They had to have one secured conviction out of half a dozen,didn't they ? ::)
i beg to differ,jb is a criminal and was one before he was convicted of murder. he stole from the campsite and made it LOOK like a breakin
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i beg to differ,jb is a criminal and was one before he was convicted of murder. he stole from the campsite and made it LOOK like a breakin
Dont forget the drug dealings Sami, also the shady business in New Zealand?
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Dont forget the drug dealings Sami, also the shady business in New Zealand?
thank you justice ,i forgot about that
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Dont forget the drug dealings Sami, also the shady business in New Zealand?
" Drug dealings " were never on the agenda of police complaints. Did it ever come up in court ? Was there ever a charge for " drug-dealing ? The New Zealand debacle was as usual exaggerated by one female of the Carr family who happened to have been staying at the same place as JB at the time when this fantasy blew up. JB's reason for leaving in a hurry was that his visa was running out.
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" Drug dealings " were never on the agenda of police complaints. Did it ever come up in court ? Was there ever a charge for " drug-dealing ? The New Zealand debacle was as usual exaggerated by one female of the Carr family who happened to have been staying at the same place as JB at the time when this fantasy blew up. JB's reason for leaving in a hurry was that his visa was running out.
could he not get it renewed
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could he not get it renewed
It takes days for a working visa to go through,but yes,if he'd have given himself enough time.
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One of the stories circulating was that he stole two Cartier watches from a jeweller's, one of which he gave to Suzette Ford. He was also thought to have chatted up women wearing expensive jewellery, replacing their diamonds with zirconia. Whether there is any substance to any of these allegations is another matter.
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Had these " stories " been true,he'd have been arrested at the airport. The watches would have been fakes. I bought a fake Rolex for 149 AUD in the 80's and they look very authentic.They're churned out by the thousands in China so I imagine that what were bought were fakes as to the untrained eye they look the part,even down to the trademark logo of the crown on the face of the watch.
As for swapping diamonds for zircons,the story gets even more unbelievable.
This far-fetched " episode " didn't get an airing at trial either.
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thank you justice ,i forgot about that
Makes you wonder why he was under surveillance by the drugs squad Sami if he never had dealings with them?
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Especially as it was never mentioned at trial too ?? Strange that.
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Especially as it was never mentioned at trial too ?? Strange that.
Yes and this coming from Jeremy himself having obtained copies about the surveylance? He was under surveylance for 28 days, the drugs squad were following him with the possibility with links to the underworld. Nice boy?
He was growing cannabis plants in his back garden, and suspected of being a small time drugs dealer who supplied druggies in london and elsewhere with a regular supply of drugs...
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Yes and this coming from Jeremy himself having obtained copies about the surveylance? He was under surveylance for 28 days, the drugs squad were following him with the possibility with links to the underworld. Nice boy?
He was growing cannabis plants in his back garden, and suspected of being a small time drugs dealer who supplied druggies in london and elsewhere with a regular supply of drugs...
Well it wasn't listed at trial among his other " dirty deeds ". Maybe because JM had been a drug-smuggler it would have been a tit for tat slanging match if Jeremy's" druggies" had come under scrutiny too.
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Well it wasn't listed at trial among his other " dirty deeds ". Maybe because JM had been a drug-smuggler it would have been a tit for tat slanging match if Jeremy's" druggies" had come under scrutiny too.
so what if she was,the last dozen or so posts were to prove you wrong as you said before that jb is not an accomplished criminal,which many of us think he was :)
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Makes you wonder why he was under surveillance by the drugs squad Sami if he never had dealings with them?
absolutely justice,
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Why didn't this surveillance ever hit the headlines? News about drugs wasn't as prolific then as it is now so you'd have thought it would have been splashed all over the place.
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Had these " stories " been true,he'd have been arrested at the airport. The watches would have been fakes. I bought a fake Rolex for 149 AUD in the 80's and they look very authentic.They're churned out by the thousands in China so I imagine that what were bought were fakes as to the untrained eye they look the part,even down to the trademark logo of the crown on the face of the watch.
As for swapping diamonds for zircons,the story gets even more unbelievable.
This far-fetched " episode " didn't get an airing at trial either.
The watches aren't fakes.
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Yes and this coming from Jeremy himself having obtained copies about the surveylance? He was under surveylance for 28 days, the drugs squad were following him with the possibility with links to the underworld. Nice boy?
He was growing cannabis plants in his back garden, and suspected of being a small time drugs dealer who supplied druggies in london and elsewhere with a regular supply of drugs...
Do we know for sure that he was under surveillance by the drug squad Justice?
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Why didn't this surveillance ever hit the headlines? News about drugs wasn't as prolific then as it is now so you'd have thought it would have been splashed all over the place.
so what youre saying is because it never made the headlines its not true,just people making rumours about poor jb :)
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so what youre saying is because it never made the headlines its not true,just people making rumours about poor jb :)
I mentioned headlines only---------you carried on with the bilge.Can't resist a nasty dig,can you ?
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so what if she was,the last dozen or so posts were to prove you wrong as you said before that jb is not an accomplished criminal,which many of us think he was :)
I think he was an escalating criminal. And all of his crimes led to some form of financial gain.
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I think he was an escalating criminal. And all of his crimes led to some form of financial gain.
yes he certainly was asending the ladder mat
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yes he certainly was asending the ladder mat
Certianly not the innocent farm boy we're led to believe.
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I think he was an escalating criminal. And all of his crimes led to some form of financial gain.
Going from smoking cannabis and petty theft to mass murder is not exactly "escalating" IMO its like start from the bottom and skip straight to the extreme ;D
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Going from smoking cannabis and petty theft to mass murder is not exactly "escalating" IMO its like start from the bottom and skip straight to the extreme ;D
I didn't mean the jump from smoking cannabis to murder. I was leaving the murder out of it. The jump is the drugs and the caravan park break in - he had a habit of gaining money through any means. Even if that was doing something negative against the family business.
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Going from smoking cannabis and petty theft to mass murder is not exactly "escalating" IMO its like start from the bottom and skip straight to the extreme ;D
its what jb tryed doing for most of his life,didnt want to wait wanted it all there and then,hence he is where he is today ;D
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Do we know for sure that he was under surveillance by the drug squad Justice?
Hi Caroline, I don't think we know for sure and nothing of proof been shown, I had read about it a while ago and when I worked down there for 10 years on holiday park it was always talked about him being into drugs, but Mike said Jeremy had proof he was under surveylance, I think a neighbour had reported him and they used the neighbours house for surveylance.
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I'm very surprised nothing big was made out of it and if the police knew about it,why wasn't JB charged for that too ? He was charged for everything else,a few weeds wouldn't have made much difference to what he was charged for,as in Found guilty and not Proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
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I'm very surprised nothing big was made out of it and if the police knew about it,why wasn't JB charged for that too ? He was charged for everything else,a few weeds wouldn't have made much difference to what he was charged for,as in Found guilty and not Proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
Reading between the lines Lookout, I think the murders happened about a month after so you can imagine, the drugs thing got pushed to one side? After that they would not bring this in to the investigation because if it was proved Jeremy had not been dealing drugs or they had not collected enough evidence it would not look good for the prosecution I would think? Could be wrong though.
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Certianly not the innocent farm boy we're led to believe.
The sort of person you would not want your daughter to hook up with?
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I find it difficult to believe either Jeremy or the Farm was under surveillance given the public spending cuts of the 1980s. What was the main reason why Police were there?
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The sort of person you would not want your daughter to hook up with?
Or your son to be mates with. On reflection, he didn't have many, did he, given he'd spent time in college and worked in the hospitality business. Most of them seem to have been Julie's friends.
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Reading between the lines Lookout, I think the murders happened about a month after so you can imagine, the drugs thing got pushed to one side? After that they would not bring this in to the investigation because if it was proved Jeremy had not been dealing drugs or they had not collected enough evidence it would not look good for the prosecution I would think? Could be wrong though.
I see-------------pushed to one side because of the murders ? A bit like the N&J Bamber fraud carried out by PE was also at an awkward time during the trial so that which was reported to the police by BW was also pushed to one side too. Mmmm.
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I see-------------pushed to one side because of the murders ? A bit like the N&J Bamber fraud carried out by PE was also at an awkward time during the trial so that which was reported to the police by BW was also pushed to one side too. Mmmm.
Would you not expect that multiple murder would take priority?
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Or your son to be mates with. On reflection, he didn't have many, did he, given he'd spent time in college and worked in the hospitality business. Most of them seem to have been Julie's friends.
thats true jane,and most of them didnt have a good word to say about jb,did he call some salesman as a witness :)
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Would you not expect that multiple murder would take priority?
So right Jane, it would have been stupid to bring this in to the investigation.
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So right Jane, it would have been stupid to bring this in to the investigation.
yes and if not proven may make the serious charge of murder a bit tricky
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Would you not expect that multiple murder would take priority?
If EP had done their job PROPERLY,yes.
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yes and if not proven may make the serious charge of murder a bit tricky
Your right Sami CPS are not daft, they had enough with the murders
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I see-------------pushed to one side because of the murders ? A bit like the N&J Bamber fraud carried out by PE was also at an awkward time during the trial so that which was reported to the police by BW was also pushed to one side too. Mmmm.
Lets see, murder of five people (including two six year old children_ V's a bit of weed? Hmmm what to choose? ::)
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Hasn't lookout been a supporter for 30 years? the old guard are old for a reason ;)
i think its a case of 'too proud to be wrong' taff jones also had this trait :)
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i think its a case of 'too proud to be wrong' taff jones also had this trait :)
The criminal justice system has a severe case of 'too proud to be wrong' also ;)
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The criminal justice system has a severe case of 'too proud to be wrong' also ;)
I'll say they have !
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The criminal justice system has a severe case of 'too proud to be wrong' also ;)
Not in this instance.
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Have locked this thread until I have removed all the personal arguments etc.
Please try to be more objective about the thread subject and less personal. Thank you.
I HAVE UNLOCKED THE ABOVE THREAD AND SAY AGAIN.....
....... PLEASE KEEP YOUR ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE CASE AND LEAVE THE PERSONAL STUFF ALONE.