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Re: Sherlock has solved the case at last ...
« Reply #180 on: October 04, 2017, 09:03:PM »
There is nothing to suggest she had slept that night is there Adam ?

More like going from a quite paranoid withdrawn state ...

To a full blown Psychotic state ...

To then killing herself ...

Religious psychotic states make people behave and react in non standard ways Adam ...

Ways completely consistent with what Sheila did that night ...

As Dr Ferguson explains - when Sheila was having a bad day she believed June was part of a coven of evil attempting to draw Sheila into the coven of evil ...

Sheila believed June was out to do evil to her and her children ...

Maybe just maybe June talking about fostering her children out is what led Sheila to - as Dr Ferguson said - do whatever it took to stop June ...

He was clear on that point ...

Sheila had these ideas in her head for a long time and very strongly ...

And as Dr Ferguson said - smoking cannabis and smoking cocaine as she did would have made her even more confused about reality than she already was ...
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« Reply #181 on: October 04, 2017, 09:05:PM »
There is nothing to suggest she had slept that night is there Adam ?

More like going from a quite paranoid withdrawn state ...

To a full blown Psychotic state ...

To then killing herself ...

Religious psychotic states make people behave and react in non standard ways Adam ...

Ways completely consistent with what Sheila did that night ...

June did tell PB on the phone that Sheila was going to bed.

She was in a nightdress & bare footed. Although as you said, she put this on after her shower.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #182 on: October 04, 2017, 09:09:PM »
Read Dr Fergusons 4 witness statements - they are in the forum library ...

Then come back and tell me Sheila was not obsessed by religion ....

Dr Fergusons 4 statements make it very clear that she was indeed obsessed  by religion ...

His fourth handwritten statement makes clear Sheila had thoughts about harming her children ....

Bear in mind Dr Ferguson stood to be held liable for releasing a patient when he should not have done ...

This could easily have finished his career ...

He could have been sued for it as well ...

His social standing would also have been ruined in those days ...

His pension would have been badly affected ....

If Sheila did do it then Dr Ferguson had a lot of very serious questions to answer ...

This is why his first statements claim she was not a threat to her family ...

In his fourth hand written statement he clearly admits Sheila had thoughts about harming her children ...

Quite possibly, during her FIRST breakdown, Sheila was obsessed with religion and during THIS time spoke of the fear of harming her children or they, her.

Sheila was in a private hospital. The section rules may not be the same as NHS sections where she'd have been under a 2 or 3, but had Dr Ferguson had any fears for her safety or the safety of others, I feel certain he'd not have allowed this. Effectively, Sheila was able to discharge herself, Dr Ferguson saying simply that he'd have preferred her to stay another week.

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« Reply #183 on: October 04, 2017, 09:11:PM »
June did tell PB on the phone that Sheila was going to bed.

She was in a nightdress & bare footed. Although as you said, she put this on after her shower.

The evidence was that her bed looked like no one had slept in it - that is right is it not Adam ?

She might have gone to her bedroom ...

I do not think she slept ...

Even if she had dozed off I am sure she woke up again ...

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« Reply #184 on: October 04, 2017, 09:14:PM »
The evidence was that her bed looked like no one had slept in it - that is right is it not Adam ?

She might have gone to her bedroom ...

I do not think she slept ...

Even if she had dozed off I am sure she woke up again ...

How can anyone tell her bed had not been slept in ? Scott Lomax has claimed it.

I'm sure Sheila fell asleep shortly after going to bed at 10pm. Just as June & Nevill did.
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'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #185 on: October 04, 2017, 09:15:PM »
That is a psychotic attack for you Adam ...

And we know from Dr Ferguson that she entered a psychotic state every now and again don't we Adam ?

Twice. The first time she was undiagnozed and unmedicated. She may have remained well after her release but failed to take her prescribed medication or attend follow up appointments, subsequently suffering  a second episode, during which she was given medication by injection.

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« Reply #186 on: October 04, 2017, 09:16:PM »
Quite possibly, during her FIRST breakdown, Sheila was obsessed with religion and during THIS time spoke of the fear of harming her children or they, her.

Sheila was in a private hospital. The section rules may not be the same as NHS sections where she'd have been under a 2 or 3, but had Dr Ferguson had any fears for her safety or the safety of others, I feel certain he'd not have allowed this. Effectively, Sheila was able to discharge herself, Dr Ferguson saying simply that he'd have preferred her to stay another week.

Not "quite possibly" Jane - read the 4 statements - the rest of the sentence is accurate once "quite possibly" is removed from the beginning of the sentence ...

"during her FIRST breakdown, Sheila was obsessed with religion and during THIS time spoke of the fear of harming her children or they, her."

Dr Ferguson obviously thought Sheila was not a danger - that is why she was released ...

But she had said she had thoughts of harming her children etc ...

Big mistake releasing her too early by Dr Ferguson in my opinion ...

It happens all the time ...







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« Reply #187 on: October 04, 2017, 09:19:PM »
As Dr Ferguson explains - when Sheila was having a bad day she believed June was part of a coven of evil attempting to draw Sheila into the coven of evil ...

Sheila believed June was out to do evil to her and her children ...

Maybe just maybe June talking about fostering her children out is what led Sheila to - as Dr Ferguson said - do whatever it took to stop June ...

He was clear on that point ...

Sheila had these ideas in her head for a long time and very strongly ...

And as Dr Ferguson said - smoking cannabis and smoking cocaine as she did would have made her even more confused about reality than she already was ...

All of which is a description of Sheila during her first breakdown. The smidgeon referring to recreational drugs pertains to her second.

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« Reply #188 on: October 04, 2017, 09:20:PM »
Twice. The first time she was undiagnozed and unmedicated. She may have remained well after her release but failed to take her prescribed medication or attend follow up appointments, subsequently suffering  a second episode, during which she was given medication by injection.

Let us just agree that Sheila had been know to slip into into psychotic states previously shall we ?

It reminds me of the state she was in when Freddie felt threatened by her and Neville was called to sort her out ...


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« Reply #189 on: October 04, 2017, 09:21:PM »
 Her " religion " was intermittent along with her state of health and had appeared to worsen when she was at WHF with her mother------------which is what Colin had said. I would suppose that Sheila,being controlled by her mother,became a " different person " in her company having to conform to whatever June read out from " the good book ". Sheila had to endure some of the horror stories from within the Bible as a young child so would have subconsciously learned certain passages,Psalms and chapters only for them to come back and haunt her later on.
When this sort of abuse is drilled into you from early on it's very damaging to people who are vulnerable like Sheila was as it would have festered inside her mind,especially when her mood had been low as Sheila would have thought that she herself was to blame for her failures in life and put it down to " God's will ".
Everything that Sheila did went against what her mother wished.

One thing that has stuck in my mind was when Sheila was made to have an abortion. Neither Sheila nor Colin wanted that,but neither had any say in the matter. To grow up thinking that of your mother,a supposed Christian and regular church goer beggars all understanding.Sheila was 17,not a child, and Colin slightly older. I just find it very disturbing.
It's no wonder Sheila suffered after that. I don't know anyone who wouldn't have. It just fills me with horror.   

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« Reply #190 on: October 04, 2017, 09:23:PM »
All of which is a description of Sheila during her first breakdown. The smidgeon referring to recreational drugs pertains to her second.

We know from all accounts that her mental health was very far from being good whilst she was visiting the farm that weekend - do we not ?

I hope we can agree on that at least ...

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« Reply #191 on: October 04, 2017, 09:24:PM »
Not "quite possibly" Jane - read the 4 statements - the rest of the sentence is accurate once "quite possibly" is removed from the beginning of the sentence ...

"during her FIRST breakdown, Sheila was obsessed with religion and during THIS time spoke of the fear of harming her children or they, her."

Dr Ferguson obviously thought Sheila was not a danger - that is why she was released ...

But she had said she had thoughts of harming her children etc ...

Big mistake releasing her too early by Dr Ferguson in my opinion ...

It happens all the time ...

It's clearly NOT accidental that you're blurring descriptions of her during her first breakdown into her second, nearly 18 months later, when she didn't voice the same fears .

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« Reply #192 on: October 04, 2017, 09:27:PM »
Her " religion " was intermittent along with her state of health and had appeared to worsen when she was at WHF with her mother------------which is what Colin had said. I would suppose that Sheila,being controlled by her mother,became a " different person " in her company having to conform to whatever June read out from " the good book ". Sheila had to endure some of the horror stories from within the Bible as a young child so would have subconsciously learned certain passages,Psalms and chapters only for them to come back and haunt her later on.
When this sort of abuse is drilled into you from early on it's very damaging to people who are vulnerable like Sheila was as it would have festered inside her mind,especially when her mood had been low as Sheila would have thought that she herself was to blame for her failures in life and put it down to " God's will ".
Everything that Sheila did went against what her mother wished.

One thing that has stuck in my mind was when Sheila was made to have an abortion. Neither Sheila nor Colin wanted that,but neither had any say in the matter. To grow up thinking that of your mother,a supposed Christian and regular church goer beggars all understanding.Sheila was 17,not a child, and Colin slightly older. I just find it very disturbing.
It's no wonder Sheila suffered after that. I don't know anyone who wouldn't have. It just fills me with horror.

Possibly that is where her delusions about June and a coven of evil started ?


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« Reply #193 on: October 04, 2017, 09:29:PM »
Let us just agree that Sheila had been know to slip into into psychotic states previously shall we ?

It reminds me of the state she was in when Freddie felt threatened by her and Neville was called to sort her out ...

No! We damn well WON'T agree! You find me evidence of any other than the TWO psychotic episodes -both resulting in her being hospitalized- we know of, the second one described by Freddie.

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« Reply #194 on: October 04, 2017, 09:30:PM »
As Dr Ferguson explains - when Sheila was having a bad day she believed June was part of a coven of evil attempting to draw Sheila into the coven of evil ...

Sheila believed June was out to do evil to her and her children ...

Maybe just maybe June talking about fostering her children out is what led Sheila to - as Dr Ferguson said - do whatever it took to stop June ...

He was clear on that point ...

Sheila had these ideas in her head for a long time and very strongly ...

And as Dr Ferguson said - smoking cannabis and smoking cocaine as she did would have made her even more confused about reality than she already was ...
But she had never stood up to June in the past, though was not the sort of person to let things wash over her as happens in many families. She really did come to see herself as the Devil's child, an unfortunate remark which may have exacerbated but did not cause her schizophrenia.

I do agree about the drugs though. Haven't we got enough problems with alcohol and tobacco without a free for all in the cannabis market?