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Offline Adam

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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2017, 02:50:PM »
Although De Niro was destroying the murder weapon.

For Bamber it was better to put everything into one bin. No one is going to look inside a bin liner in a public bin.
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2017, 02:52:PM »
The details of how they were disposed of is unimportant. Simply the opportunity for JB to have done so.

That is true. I created a recent thread that the prosecution had to prove things were 'possible' to do.

Disposing of the clothes was 'possible' & in my view pretty easy with lots of options.
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2017, 02:56:PM »
How do you think that JB's legal team are going to get out of this one ??

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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2017, 02:59:PM »
How do you think that JB's legal team are going to get out of this one ??


You mean, how are they going to prove he didn't get rid of the clothes he wore? How strange! Do they need to?

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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2017, 03:10:PM »

You mean, how are they going to prove he didn't get rid of the clothes he wore? How strange! Do they need to?





They're leaving no stone unturned. It's in case a bright spark like Adam springs up with such notions.

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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2017, 03:14:PM »




They're leaving no stone unturned. It's in case a bright spark like Adam springs up with such notions.

Well, if they're scared of being bested by someone on a forum, A) you'd think they had better things to do with their time than study forums B) they must be very unsure of where they're going with this.

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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2017, 03:21:PM »
Well, if they're scared of being bested by someone on a forum, A) you'd think they had better things to do with their time than study forums B) they must be very unsure of where they're going with this.





I said " like Adam " not he himself nor anyone off a forum. The team are more than sure of themselves because of the original documentation,etc in front of them plus a decent set of fresh brains between them all. They're all as sure as they'll ever be of JB's innocence or they wouldn't be bothering.
I wouldn't like to pit my brains against theirs,would you ?

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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2017, 04:05:PM »




I said " like Adam " not he himself nor anyone off a forum. The team are more than sure of themselves because of the original documentation,etc in front of them plus a decent set of fresh brains between them all. They're all as sure as they'll ever be of JB's innocence or they wouldn't be bothering.
I wouldn't like to pit my brains against theirs,would you ?

Lookout, for a cynic you have an unusually naive view of lawyers. There are prosecution lawyers and there are defense lawyers. Do you really believe that the guilty/innocent always end up with the appropriate lawyer? Their job is to do the best they can for their client, so what they're hoping for is to put together a story that a jury will buy. We know, from where we are, Jeremy's original team COULD have done a better job. Maybe they did what they could with what they had, but didn't trust his innocence? I may sound as cynical as yourself, here, but a lawyer's responsibility -loyalty- to their client is temporary. They're hardly going to fall out -in any lasting way- with their opposite number in court when a case doesn't go their way. They'll meet them at another trial. They'll be having supper with them. Their spouses are friends. Their clients will disappear from their lives. I suspect neither side will turn down a case that they feel they have a chance of winning. It's a test of their legal skill. Probably, the more it tests them, the more interesting they find it. I imagine this case of Jeremy's will test them to the limit.

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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2017, 04:52:PM »
Lookout, for a cynic you have an unusually naive view of lawyers. There are prosecution lawyers and there are defense lawyers. Do you really believe that the guilty/innocent always end up with the appropriate lawyer? Their job is to do the best they can for their client, so what they're hoping for is to put together a story that a jury will buy. We know, from where we are, Jeremy's original team COULD have done a better job. Maybe they did what they could with what they had, but didn't trust his innocence? I may sound as cynical as yourself, here, but a lawyer's responsibility -loyalty- to their client is temporary. They're hardly going to fall out -in any lasting way- with their opposite number in court when a case doesn't go their way. They'll meet them at another trial. They'll be having supper with them. Their spouses are friends. Their clients will disappear from their lives. I suspect neither side will turn down a case that they feel they have a chance of winning. It's a test of their legal skill. Probably, the more it tests them, the more interesting they find it. I imagine this case of Jeremy's will test them to the limit.






I'm more than aware of the work of lawyers and also how some are treated to. I had tremendous sympathy for the once Chief Prosecutor for the North West, Afzal Nazir,and this country's first Muslim lawyer,who'd stood up to those monsters in Rotherham for their part in the grooming of children,only to be shouted down as being a racist for prosecuting the evil mob.
Even the EDL had threatened him,so these sort of threats and the general behaviour of some members of the public towards mainly the prosecution lawyers doesn't go unnoticed.
It's now become the sort of career/vocation that they now take their life into their hands with little or no protection from the police.
Since when have security guards been hired in A&E departments,and teachers being punched and stabbed by their pupils ? This is the type of duty which is now mapped out to prosecuting and defence lawyers alike.

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Re: Bamber disposing clothes on the night. Two options:
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2017, 09:00:AM »
I am in two minds about whether Bamber disposed of his massacre clothes on the night.

He was with the police all of the time from 3.48am. So would have to dispose of them  between 2am - 3.48am.

Shooting the twins, June & Sheila would not have left any blood on his clothes.

The fight with Nevill may have left some marks on his clothes top. But nothing major that a machine wash wouldn't remove.

So just as likely he washed his clothes & put them in his cupboard after arriving home. Disposing of them at a later date.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2017, 09:04:AM by Adam »
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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2017, 09:08:AM »
I am in two minds about whether Bamber disposed of his massacre clothes on the night.

He was with the police all of the time from 3.48am. So would have to dispose of them  between 2am - 3.48am.

Shooting the twins, June & Sheila would not have left any blood on his clothes.

The fight with Nevill may have left some marks on his clothes top. But nothing major that a machine wash wouldn't remove.

So just as likely he washed his clothes & put them in his cupboard after arriving home. Disposing of them at a later date.

If that is the case, then you can see why some people might think it possible that if Sheila committed the murders, then her clothing might not show evidence of blood stains from those murdered.

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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2017, 09:17:AM »
If that is the case, then you can see why some people might think it possible that if Sheila committed the murders, then her clothing might not show evidence of blood stains from those murdered.

Not if you go by Roch & Bill's theories that Sheila fought June & Nevill & ended up 28 scratches on her.

My post said some blood on Bamber's clothes,  which a washing machine would remove.

Bamber was twice as strong as Sheila, padded up & fully focused for his fight with Nevill. So less likely to get covered in blood.

Sheila's nightdress only had her own blood on. And no gun shot residue, dirt, oil, lubricant & damage. Anyone would think she had just got out of bed.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2017, 09:20:AM by Adam »
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