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Offline Caroline

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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #585 on: September 28, 2017, 07:53:PM »
if you actually knew what a source was you would know I do provide them when I need to.

I have never seen you provide any source for anything you have written. A source is simply a link or reference to where you originally saw the information.
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« Reply #586 on: September 28, 2017, 07:54:PM »
David has also been quoting CAL's book recently. Although complained yesterday when I quoted Wilkes's book.

A book is a good source & certainly better than no source. 

Nugs never provides sources  but today made a bizarre claim I didn't know what a source was.

I think it's quite apparent that David thinks anything he does is beyond reproach.
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #587 on: September 28, 2017, 07:58:PM »
I have never seen you provide any source for anything you have written. A source is simply a link or reference to where you originally saw the information.

that's because you ignore any source that doesn't fit your view.

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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #588 on: September 28, 2017, 08:01:PM »
that's because you ignore any source that doesn't fit your view.

No, it's because you don't supply any!
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #589 on: September 28, 2017, 08:02:PM »
I have never seen you provide any source for anything you have written. A source is simply a link or reference to where you originally saw the information.

Nugs did provide a source about Barry George recently.

To back up his theory that The Sun turned down Bamber's offer of a big, free exclusive. So they could print a false front page story about photos.

Apart from that, nothing.
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #590 on: September 28, 2017, 09:56:PM »

I would be more than happy if the documentary/ film on Julie Mugford was just based on pure facts
 Just a programme completely focused on her and using her statements and other statements from people who knew her

What do you think that would achieve?

The facts are that "her statements and other statements from people who knew her" were used as evidence during the original trial - therefore not new evidence!

And Bamber was found guilty in a court of law and is serving a whole life tariff, therefore JM is another of his victims and any documentary maker would find be hard pressed to concentrate solely on JM without being seen to be re-victimising her.

I don't think you've thought this through
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #591 on: September 28, 2017, 09:58:PM »
Yeah, books! Who would ever quote them!  ::)

Haha you weren't alone regarding this observation
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #592 on: September 28, 2017, 11:54:PM »
  Which way do you lean on this, Kaldin, or are you genuinely ambivalent?

Ambivalence is a state of mind Gringo, don't forget http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8662.msg414289.html#msg414289
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #593 on: September 29, 2017, 12:04:AM »
   As you have reasonably pointed out , Kaldin, this is not even a debate about JB's guilt or innocence. If JB is guilty then JM's actions in the lead up to, during and in the aftermath of the killings defy explanation, other than that she was a willing accessory.
     Quite why this view is attacked by so many guilters is inexplicable. It makes no difference to JB's guilt or innocence but it should be apparent to all that if JB is guilty then it is self evident that Mugford was a willing accomplice.
     
   

if an explanation is not required for JM's actions, why are you still looking for one?

And if JM's behaviour "defies an explanation" please describe the actions of Jeremy Bamber
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #594 on: September 29, 2017, 01:25:AM »
Well yes - allegedly. Like maggie, I could have understood Julie's actions a lot more if she claimed that he hadn't told her, and that she gradually realised that he was involved. However, that's not what she said, so therefore, I don't understand her actions.

   As you have reasonably pointed out , Kaldin, this is not even a debate about JB's guilt or innocence. If JB is guilty then JM's actions in the lead up to, during and in the aftermath of the killings defy explanation, other than that she was a willing accessory.
     Quite why this view is attacked by so many guilters is inexplicable. It makes no difference to JB's guilt or innocence but it should be apparent to all that if JB is guilty then it is self evident that Mugford was a willing accomplice.
     
   
JM was a victim!

As stated elsewhere your double standards know no bounds.

No one is attacking this view, simple bringing some common sense to the debate. JM murdered no one nor indeed did she plot to murder anyone. She merely didn't believe Bamber would carry out his plans, nor could she comprehend it when he did; as per her evidence.

I could have understood Bambers claims to innocence if, as one example, he'd not given permission for evidence to have been destroyed from WHF not long after the murders.

Another example, as previously stated, he'd had a decade to request testing on the exhibits that were destroyed! Better still, if he were innocent, he could have asked for them to be tested during his trial. He did not!

Quite why supporters attack JM is what's inexplicable!
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #595 on: September 29, 2017, 02:29:AM »
JM was a victim!

As stated elsewhere your double standards know no bounds.

No one is attacking this view, simple bringing some common sense to the debate. JM murdered no one nor indeed did she plot to murder anyone. She merely didn't believe Bamber would carry out his plans, nor could she comprehend it when he did; as per her evidence.

I could have understood Bambers claims to innocence if, as one example, he'd not given permission for evidence to have been destroyed from WHF not long after the murders.

Another example, as previously stated, he'd had a decade to request testing on the exhibits that were destroyed! Better still, if he were innocent, he could have asked for them to be tested during his trial. He did not!

Quite why supporters attack JM is what's inexplicable!

And indeed Bamber had a whole decade to write to the police directly or via a legal representative to request no exhibits were destroyed!! He did not!

Read "what exhibits were destroyed" thread here; http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5802.0.html
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #596 on: September 29, 2017, 02:46:AM »
And indeed Bamber had a whole decade to write to the police directly or via a legal representative to request no exhibits were destroyed!! He did not!


Jeremy's requested for those exhibits to be handed over to his legal team for more testing BEFORE Essex Police destroyed them.

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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #597 on: September 29, 2017, 03:37:AM »
Jeremy's requested for those exhibits to be handed over to his legal team for more testing BEFORE Essex Police destroyed them.

Adam, among others, has made numerous valid posts regarding the destruction of evidence but it appears he's been derailed each time he does.

How about you provide evidence from Jeremy Bamber where he explicitly asks that police do not destroy exhibits, along with dates etc.. Dates are important. Letters would be a good source. And of course they need to show he requested exhibits not be destroyed.




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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #598 on: September 29, 2017, 09:14:AM »

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« Reply #599 on: September 29, 2017, 09:18:AM »
David has also been quoting CAL's book recently. Although complained yesterday when I quoted Wilkes's book.

A book is a good source & certainly better than no source. 

Nugs never provides sources  but today made a bizarre claim I didn't know what a source is.

Difference being I actually paste the relevant parts of the book verbatim and CAL lists all her sources. You on the other hand type out a scewed interpretation of the book and don't show Wilkes sources.