A New Approach

[JackieD]

A New Approach

There has been a number of documentaries and books made about the Whitehouse Farm Murders but I believe the standard of true crime documentaries has risen immensely and TVs companies are now commissioning true crime series as well as one offs.
I believe everyone on this forum would agree it is impossible to portray what happened at WHF, the aftermath, the trial and the conviction in one hour. I know that Mark Williams Thomas believes Jeremy Bamber is innocent but he had an impossible task to squeeze everything he wanted to highlight about the case in the 60 minutes (less ad breaks). He was also desperate to interview Julie Mugford and was quite happy to fly to Canada to do this.
 Because this case is still discussed in the media and documentary makers are still interested in working with Jeremy there needs to be much detailed information available on a programme to gain more public interest

I believe a documentary should start with the conviction and work backwards starting with why the jury found Jeremy guilty

Part one and two

(1) The silencer, who found it, forensics etc

(2) Julie Mugford How she apparently             
      knew Jeremy was planning to
      murder his family, how she apparently
      knew from Jeremy the night before
      the murders his plans and she knew
      Jeremy was responsible straight after
      the murders Jeremy was responsible
      for the murders. How Julie volunteered
      to identify the bodies of victims
      murdered (including 2 small children)
      when she knew her boyfriend was
      responsible. How Julie stood shoulder
      to shoulder with Colin Caffell (the
      father of the two young children
      murdered) at the funerals at the same
      time comforting Jeremy Bamber.
      How Julie Mugford carried on sleeping
      and partying with Jeremy for weeks
      after the murders and funerals.
      Julie showed how dishonest she was
      carrying out a number of cheque
      frauds in London and being involved
      in a robbery at the Bamber caravan
      park
      With any documentary it will be
      important to show Julie did not speak
      to the police to tell them she knew
      Jeremy was responsible until Jeremy
      finished their relationship
      Probably one of the most important
      factors that should be included is the
      deal Julie Mugford did with the News
      Of the world to get a £25,000 if
      Jeremy was convicted. Julie Mugford
      has never been convicted of any of her   
      crimes
      With regard to the above most of this
      has never been included in a
      documentary before because of the
      time factor and I am sure if the six part
      documentary is commissioned the
      general public will start to look at
      the case differently
      Could Julie Mugford be trusted? she
      was a prolific liar and she made a lot of
      money from the NOTW on Jeremy's
      conviction and acted without a doubt
      as a women scorned

       If this documentary is made
       accurately it might even push Julie
       into saying what really happened in
       all those police interviews and why
       would she offer to identify 3 adults
       and 2 children when she knew they
       had been murdered by her
       boyfriend

After details of the silencer and more information is broadcast about Julie Mugford then the severity of Sheila's illness needs dealing with and then the relatives and the money trail and the the altered statements and withheld evidence
That's a start, that should wet the appetite of the viewing audience
 

 
       

[Jan]

It would definitely have to be more than one hour  and I think it would be difficult to untangle a definite time line of what happened on the day from statements but it should cover the time and what is supposed to have happened from the time they went into the house to when the bodies reached the morgue .


But it would be a massive undertaking to try and not be biased either way and try and use contemporary statements.

I don't think there is any chance that Julie would get involved. No chance at all .

[Adam]

The relatives found the silencer.

Julie knew because Bamber told her.

The NOTW offerred Julie a story because they realised Bamber wouldn't be giving them his.

Julie betrayed Bamber while still with him. Telling 5 people. The first within 20 days of the massacre.


Not sure that will cover 1 hour.

[Jan]

The relatives found the silencer.

Julie knew because Bamber told her.

The NOTW offerred Julie a story because they realised Bamber wouldn't be giving them his.

Julie betrayed Bamber while still with him. Telling 5 people. The first within 20 days of the massacre.


Not sure that will cover 1 hour.

So offering Julie the money because they knew Jeremy would not be giving his?

What exactly is your reasoning behind this. 

[Adam]

So offering Julie the money because they knew Jeremy would not be giving his?

What exactly is your reasoning behind this.

The press got inside information Bamber was guilty. That is what they are paid to do, get inside information. So they offerred Julie 25k, which was less than the 40k Bamber had negotiated.

[Jan]

The press got inside information Bamber was guilty. That is what they are paid to do, get inside information. So they offerred Julie 25k, which was less than the 40k Bamber had negotiated.

Right so you are 1) agreeing the deal was made before the trial was over
2) stating that someone had told the press that Jeremy was going to be found guilty before the trial was over .


Really ?

Source ?

[Adam]

Right so you are 1) agreeing the deal was made before the trial was over
2) stating that someone had told the press that Jeremy was going to be found guilty before the trial was over .


Really ?

Source ?

The source is Bamber made a 40k deal with the NOTW. The NOTW then approached Julie as they realised Bamber would be found guilty. A verbal deal was made.

Newspapers cover all angles in order to get an exclusive.

[nugnug]

intresting idea.

[JackieD]

Right so you are 1) agreeing the deal was made before the trial was over
2) stating that someone had told the press that Jeremy was going to be found guilty before the trial was over .


Really ?

Source ?

Your patience Jan 

[Jan]

The source is Bamber made a 40k deal with the NOTW. The NOTW then approached Julie as they realised Bamber would be found guilty. A verbal deal was made.

Newspapers cover all angles in order to get an exclusive.

Bamber would have only been free to make a deal if he was found innocent and would have been perfectly entitled to do so .


To make a deal during a trial is illegal and immoral ? Would you not agree ? And you have not given your source that the newspaper had inside information?

Who on earth would think that they knew better than judge and jury? Unless they knew Jeremy did not stand a chance because they had set him up ?

Interesting theory Adam

[JackieD]

The press got inside information Bamber was guilty. That is what they are paid to do, get inside information. So they offerred Julie 25k, which was less than the 40k Bamber had negotiated.

Jesus Christ

[Adam]

Bamber would have only been free to make a deal if he was found innocent and would have been perfectly entitled to do so .


To make a deal during a trial is illegal and immoral ? Would you not agree ? And you have not given your source that the newspaper had inside information?

Who on earth would think that they knew better than judge and jury? Unless they knew Jeremy did not stand a chance because they had set him up ?

Interesting theory Adam

I'm sure Bamber would have again tried to sell pictures of Sheila if released.

Deals are made during a trial. Nothing was signed by Julie until after the verdict.

[JackieD]

It would definitely have to be more than one hour  and I think it would be difficult to untangle a definite time line of what happened on the day from statements but it should cover the time and what is supposed to have happened from the time they went into the house to when the bodies reached the morgue .


But it would be a massive undertaking to try and not be biased either way and try and use contemporary statements.

I don't think there is any chance that Julie would get involved. No chance at all .

The next documentary has to be as good as Making of a Murder because that was a hit in this country
If the quality is good enough then it could become a hit in Canada
Julie might then decide she wants to talk about the case

[Jan]

I'm sure Bamber would have again tried to sell pictures of Sheila if released.

Deals are made during a trial. Nothing was signed by Julie until after the verdict.

Not quite true adam because conveniently we're all the documents showing the date of signature lost ?

[Adam]

Not quite true adam because conveniently we're all the documents showing the date of signature lost ?

I know. Bamber went after a technicality.