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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2017, 09:27:AM »
I think that this was if anything the only role that Jeremy played in these proceedings!
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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2017, 09:29:AM »
I think that this was if anything the only role that Jeremy played in these proceedings!

I do not believe that it makes Jeremy into a killer, but it was negligent of him to teach his sister how to load up bullets into a gun in view of the state of her mental health!

Same as David Boutflour had done, but in Boutflour's case, there is now the additional admission that he showed her and supervised her in firing a gun!
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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2017, 09:33:AM »
Jeremy needn't have said anything about having shown Sheila how to handle or load guns. Sheila nor anyone else had been there to agree or deny. Why did he say anything  at all ?

An admittance isn't always the best way as it only goes to clear your own conscience if you're so inclined and can be used as such in court whereby also seen as guilt.
One can be as truthful as they like but it's not always seen as such.

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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2017, 09:51:AM »
I do not believe that it makes Jeremy into a killer, but it was negligent of him to teach his sister how to load up bullets into a gun in view of the state of her mental health!

Same as David Boutflour had done, but in Boutflour's case, there is now the additional admission that he showed her and supervised her in firing a gun!

I believe that Jeremy may have a guilt complex about him having shown Sheila how to load bullets into a gun! I reconcile this guilt to his reply to me, years ago when I told him I thought his sister might have had an accomplice, and that he could have been that accomplice!!

He responded by saying, 'You clever Bastard'!!!
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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2017, 09:54:AM »
But, so had David Boutflour, he had shown Sheila how to load guns, and he had gone further than Jeremy, David Boutflour had witnessed her (Sheila) firing guns!!
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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2017, 09:58:AM »
Jeremy had done, what David Boutflour himself had done! He had shown Sheila how to load bullets into a gun!
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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #51 on: March 25, 2017, 09:59:AM »
Jeremy had done, what David Boutflour himself had done! He had shown Sheila how to load bullets into a gun!

But, distinct from David Boutflour, Jeremy had not shown Sheila ' how to fire a gun'!!
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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #52 on: March 25, 2017, 10:02:AM »
Jeremy Bambers obvious guilt, about having shown his sister how to load bullets into a gun, was in my view reflected in his response to me once saying to him, 'I think Sheila had an accomplice', and 'I think that accomplice was you'!!

His sharp response, 'You clever Bastard'!!!
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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #53 on: March 25, 2017, 10:04:AM »
If Jeremy associates these events with what his sister went on to do, why doesn't David Boutflour harbour similar guilty thoughts regarding him having shown Sheila, not only how to load bullets or ammunition into two different guns, but he also saw her and supervised her firing such weapons!!
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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #54 on: March 25, 2017, 10:06:AM »
Jeremy has been on record as saying in recent times that he wished he had taken more of an interest in his sister's mental illness, and her condition!
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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #55 on: March 25, 2017, 10:08:AM »
Sheila had lived on the farm,she'd have seen guns being loaded many a time. Her own father for instance

It's a bit of a weak argument when you're brought up on a farm.

Jeremy hated shooting ! This is evident in AE's statement where she says that she never saw him use a gun,especially on the grouse-shooting trips which he'd said were cruel. He probably felt obliged to attend these shoots------because he was a farmers son.

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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #56 on: March 25, 2017, 10:08:AM »
Jeremy has been on record as saying in recent times that he wished he had taken more of an interest in his sister's mental illness, and her condition!

He would have taken a more active role, in trying to understand her mood swings, and helped her more!!
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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #57 on: March 25, 2017, 10:50:AM »
He would have done,Mike,if he'd known.

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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #58 on: March 25, 2017, 11:30:AM »
I shudder to think how David Boutflour and the rest of the relatives feel about David Boutflour having shown Sheila Caffell how to load ammunition into a gun, and fire it, and deny any knowlege of him being irresponsible in doing so whilst testifying, but whilst at the same time how the very same relatives spoke of Jeremy having been showing Sheila how to load bullets into a rifle which incidentally she did not fire! Pick on Jeremy selectively, yeah, for sure! But we all now know that David Boutflour and the other relatives had an agenda - 'we must take control of the families fortune, it's ours and no outsider is going to get their hands upon it'!

If Jeremy Bamber played any role whatsoever in these murders (not the alleged suicide of Sheila) it was as I believe in the fact that he was showing a mentally disturbed sister how to load ammunition into a rifle, a rifle which fired some of the bullets during the shootings, but not all! This is how I picture in my mind's eye, his potential influence in the proceedings! But by the same token this also applies to David Boutflour! He too was negligent in showing Sheila how to load ammunition into a gun, and (wait for it) fire it!!!

I have had decades to consider Jeremy Bambers plight!

I believe he did and was showing his sister at one time or another how to load bullets into a rifle! I can't be 100% certain that it was the anshuzt rifle that he might have been showing his sister how to load! But I believe that June Bamber did tell her sister Pamela Boutflour that she had seen Jeremy showing Sheila how to load bullets into a gun! I can't see Pamela Boutflour making up such a story about what her sister (June Bamber) told her regarding this! I accept that insofar as Jeremy's role is concerned in this activity it amounts to hearsay, but from June's perspective regarding what she told her sister I believe it has a ring of truth about it! I believe it!

But, David Boutflour also taught Sheila how to load ammunition into a gun, and shoot it!

Worse still the blighter kept quiet about this whilst testifying during the October 1986 trial, or making witness statements in connection with this case to the police!

It was negligent in my view what both Jeremy Bamber, and David Boutflour did, in showing Sheila how to load bullets into a gun, and beyond that /this in David Boutflour's case, allowing Sheila to fire the gun!!!

Before CLAIMING they did, perhaps it would be wiser to have evidence that they did, as opposed to using made up words -LIES- attributed to David Boutflour, about an occasion which probably took place some 10 years prior to the massacre, and 'rearranging' a conversation between June and Pam to leave out the point that Sheila had shown no interest in loading a gun.

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Re: Guardian - 24th March 2017
« Reply #59 on: March 25, 2017, 11:34:AM »
Because Sheila " had allegedly shown no interest in using a gun " doesn't mean a thing ! Whether it had been said or not.