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Offline killingeve

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Julie came forward before the police were aware of her other  criminal offences.

Did she now! 

But those here (who actually seem more passionate about what they consider to be a miscarriage than Bamber himself) will keep arguing about the dumping and waving of criminal offences. 

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Did she now! 

But those here (who actually seem more passionate about what they consider to be a miscarriage than Bamber himself) will keep arguing about the dumping and waving of criminal offences.

TV films often have the cops bring in a criminal & say they have this or that on them. However they will cut them a deal for information on something.

However this is no film.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Julie told told the police a pack of lies that JB killed the family.

Malcom Fletcher took the silencer at face value and reported to ACC Simpson that Sheila was murdered.

That's how the police came to believe or suspect JB. It was not directly from the Boutflour family.

The idea that the police would frame someone they already seemingly cleared publicly and then get the Boutflour family to pretend they found the evidence the police fabricated is ludicrous.



Let me get this straight. You are proposing that JB was convicted because an embittered jilted girlfriend lied to the police naming JB as the killer. Meanwhile a poorly trained inexperienced ballistics expert made a cardinal mistake in not fully understanding back spatter phenomenon and said Sheila was murdered.
This just leaves the SM which was either accidently contaminated or deliberately manipulated to show it contained SC’s blood. The possible culprits are AE or RB. These are the people who RC claims were only asking EP to take a closer look and up their game.

The family were not targeting JB despite the fact that the two most likely candidates were JB and SC

Given this the police did not seek to question MF’s judgement. They took what JM told them as the gospel truth (Taff said she was talking a crock of shit) and because of these factors aligning the police charged JB. Even when a second view of the case (Kenealy) said SC was the perpetrator.

If I have summarised your position accurately (correct me if I am wrong) then the police had nothing to fear. It was not their mistakes and they were blameless. If anything you could say they were hoodwinked.

Despite this they have refused to disclose mountains of evidence, rewritten statements, forged documents and contested the case for 36 years.
 
Has this all been done for fun?

The police never cleared Jeremy they let him get on with his life until JM came out

Quote "No you haven't. Conspiracy theories based on wild conjecture, misinterpretation and ignoring the totality of the evidence, are not valid instances.


Your totality is total nonsense
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It appears to me you must have had a logic bypass.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2021, 08:52:PM by Bubo bubo »

Offline David1819

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If that's true its gross.  Either way I am struggling to understand how what would surely be very diluted blood would attach to silencer and be capable of forensic analysis?  If this forms part of the submission I would like to see the commissions response.

How did prosecutors know Robert Boutflours blood matched Sheila's?  Have you got the statement for this?

The blood testing was done by "Absorption Elution". I don't know how clotted the blood in the bucket was.



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Quote from: Bubo bubo on Today at 08:44 PM

The family were not targeting JB


Can you not recognise sarcasm and do not mislead by editing my quotes. You have a tendency to selectivity, editing other posters quotes to convey a different meaning or stance. This is against forum rules I believe. Do it again and I will ask for you to be banned.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2021, 10:24:PM by Bubo bubo »

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The blood testing was done by "Absorption Elution". I don't know how clotted the blood in the bucket was.




Absorption elution only accounts for the antigens.  Other tests are used to determine the enzymes and proteins and I doubt they would work well with what effectively would amount to water. 


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They believed he was guilty from day 1

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,246.msg1557.html#msg1557

Agree with that. Although more likely after two or three days. After the initial shock.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2021, 08:45:AM by Adam »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Did she now! 

But those here (who actually seem more passionate about what they consider to be a miscarriage than Bamber himself) will keep arguing about the dumping and waving of criminal offences.

Julie told the police about the caravan break in & Bamber/Brett's drug smuggling. 

I suspect Bamber told his lawyers about her joint minor cheque book fraud. Committed over a year earlier. This was not mentioned to Julie until after she had completed her WS.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2021, 08:54:AM by Adam »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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It would be interesting to know if Julie had received some inside information that the police thought the murder/suicide was suspicious.

This could be from the relatives or police. Or maybe she just felt the police would not accept murder/suicide.

Bamber using her for a month after the massacre. Then letting her leave him when he thought he was safe gave her more motivation. The 5 people she told beforehand would have also been encouraging her.

'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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For obvious reasons the relatives wouldn't accept murder/suicide.

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For obvious reasons the relatives wouldn't accept murder/suicide.

You mean like Sheila having no experience with the rifle, or any firearm for that matter, and unable to overpower her father?

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You mean like Sheila having no experience with the rifle, or any firearm for that matter, and unable to overpower her father?






No, it wouldn't have fitted their plans.

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Quote from: Bubo bubo on Today at 08:44 PM

The family were not targeting JB


Can you not recognise sarcasm and do not mislead by editing my quotes. You have a tendency to selectivity, editing other posters quotes to convey a different meaning or stance. This is against forum rules I believe. Do it again and I will ask for you to be banned.

I did not "edit" your post. I simply quoted the specific part I was replying to.


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For obvious reasons the relatives wouldn't accept murder/suicide.

Agree with that.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.