How much has the crown spent on preventing disclosure of sound moderator docs?

[Rob_]

In 1985, it is doubtful Bamber knew there was (apparently) not much difference in sound between rifle with or without silencer.

He would automatically use a silencer. Lots of reasons why he took it off & put it away. As Bamber agrees, prior to burning Nevill's back.

It depends on the bullets used, with some bullets the moderator makes little difference, with others quite a bit. But the gun used was fairly quiet gun anyway.

[David1819]

Reposting an old post does not do it for me. (Sept 18th 2019) You are promoting the views of the police who framed JB.

Why should I re-type the same arguments I have already made?

The way you support the police as innocent bystanders tricked by the Boutflour family is hard to take.

Julie told told the police a pack of lies that JB killed the family.

Malcom Fletcher took the silencer at face value and reported to ACC Simpson that Sheila was murdered.

That's how the police came to believe or suspect JB. It was not directly from the Boutflour family.

The idea that the police would frame someone they already seemingly cleared publicly and then get the Boutflour family to pretend they found the evidence the police fabricated is ludicrous.

I am still waiting for your answer how June walked round the bed and back without disturbing the electric blanket

I have answered it. I can see the blanket is disturbed and if it is not she simply walked over it.

[David1819]

You clearly have not read my post on the DB witness statement forgery for the COLP enquiry, which incidentally NGB describes as well argued. How could he retrieve all these items on 10/09/85. The socks DB6 were not collected according to you until after the Eatons moved in. Did they look after them waiting for the police to collect them and why were they not burnt on the Wednesday under JB's permission or at the next weekend when JB burnt his parents clothes. I am afraid you need to revise your over simplistic views which are not supported by the evidence.

The Eaton's didn't move in until shortly after JB was convicted.

[killingeve]

Why should I re-type the same arguments I have already made?

Julie told told the police a pack of lies that JB killed the family.

Malcom Fletcher took the silencer at face value and reported to ACC Simpson that Sheila was murdered.

That's how the police came to believe or suspect JB. It was not directly from the Boutflour family.

The idea that the police would frame someone they already seemingly cleared publicly and then get the Boutflour family to pretend they found the evidence the police fabricated is ludicrous.

I have answered it. I can see the blanket is disturbed and if it is not she simply walked over it.

Are you saying you believe the relatives framed Bamber (with the silencer)?  What about Julie Mugford?  Do you think she colluded with the relatives and if so why?  If not do you think it is just a coincidence that the relatives framed Bamber and his girlfriend grassed him up?

[Adam]

Why should I re-type the same arguments I have already made?

Julie told told the police a pack of lies that JB killed the family.

Malcom Fletcher took the silencer at face value and reported to ACC Simpson that Sheila was murdered.

That's how the police came to believe or suspect JB. It was not directly from the Boutflour family.

The idea that the police would frame someone they already seemingly cleared publicly and then get the Boutflour family to pretend they found the evidence the police fabricated is ludicrous.

I have answered it. I can see the blanket is disturbed and if it is not she simply walked over it.

The idea that the police would frame someone they already seemingly cleared publicly and then get the Boutflour family to pretend they found the evidence the police fabricated is ludicrous.

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Agree with that.

[David1819]

Are you saying you believe the relatives framed Bamber (with the silencer)?  What about Julie Mugford?  Do you think she colluded with the relatives and if so why?  If not do you think it is just a coincidence that the relatives framed Bamber and his girlfriend grassed him up?

"The prosecution said Miss Mugford would have had to have had a convoluted mind to have made all this up. We say that she has."That Matthew (Mac-Donald) story is not only wrong in itself, but contains in it a number of details which can be proved to be untrue and which she can only have got from the police or Ann Eaton" - Rivlin QC

"Clearly, Miss Mugford's testimony was nothing more than a collection of invented newspaper stories, much of which held no credibility whatsoever, and were clearly untrue not only by newspapers and by Miss Mugford, but also put forward by her with the collusion of others".   -James Stevenson

[killingeve]

"The prosecution said Miss Mugford would have had to have had a convoluted mind to have made all this up. We say that she has."That Matthew (Mac-Donald) story is not only wrong in itself, but contains in it a number of details which can be proved to be untrue and which she can only have got from the police or Ann Eaton" - Rivlin QC

"Clearly, Miss Mugford's testimony was nothing more than a collection of invented newspaper stories, much of which held no credibility whatsoever, and were clearly untrue not only by newspapers and by Miss Mugford, but also put forward by her with the collusion of others".   -James Stevenson

Why would Julie Mugford collude with the relatives?

[David1819]

Why would Julie Mugford collude with the relatives?

I never said she did.

[David1819]

Bubo Bubo have you read this?

[killingeve]

I never said she did.

No you quoted someone who did 

Do you think the relatives and Julie Mugford colluded then or what?

If you believe Bamber innocent how do you explain the silencer AND Julie Mugford?

[David1819]

No you quoted someone who did 

Do you think the relatives and Julie Mugford colluded then or what?

If you believe Bamber innocent how do you explain the silencer AND Julie Mugford?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7899.msg374667.html#msg374667

The muzzle imprints on Sheila's chin, the marks on Nevills back, the marks on Nevills arm, absence of bone, skin tissue or Nicholas in the silencer and the absence of debris under the AGA rule the moderator out.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7899.msg374667.html#msg374667

The muzzle imprints on Sheila's chin, the marks on Nevills back, the marks on Nevills arm, absence of bone, skin tissue or Nicholas in the silencer and the absence of debris under the AGA rule the moderator out.

The muzzle imprints on Sheila's chin. Is that a CT secret 'forensic evidence breakthrough' no one knows about?   

Agree the marks on Nevill's back may have been caused minus silencer. Maybe Bamber had taken the silencer off?

Bone/skin tissue. It was a rifle used for shooting rabbits. Not a shot gun.

The aga marks were too feint to leave debris.

[Bubo bubo]

The Eaton's didn't move in until shortly after JB was convicted.

Good point I trust your accuracy. However you have completely ignored other points which make another point. You have only part answered the questions posed. They did have access and were able to clear up and make beds etc.

[killingeve]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7899.msg374667.html#msg374667

The muzzle imprints on Sheila's chin, the marks on Nevills back, the marks on Nevills arm, absence of bone, skin tissue or Nicholas in the silencer and the absence of debris under the AGA rule the moderator out.

As I see it  they are two completely separate pieces of evidence.  Julie Mugford had no contact with the silencer.  She was simply Bamber's girlfriend.  A bit of a coincidence then if you believe the silencer was fabricated and Julie Mugford testified against Bamber. 

Are you able to say explain the who/how behind what you to believe a fabrication?

[Adam]

As I see it  they are two completely separate pieces of evidence.  Julie Mugford had no contact with the silencer.  She was simply Bamber's girlfriend.  A bit of a coincidence then if you believe the silencer was fabricated and Julie Mugford testified against Bamber. 

Are you able to say explain the who/how behind what you to believe a fabrication?

David says the relatives used diluted period blood. Which was in a bucket of water.