Author Topic: How much has the crown spent on preventing disclosure of sound moderator docs?  (Read 5933 times)

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Offline Roch

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Philip from CT claims it will be 'hundreds of thousands'.  Why would they do that and how is it in the public interest?

Offline lookout

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I wonder if much of this is to do with the fact that JB's bio parents live within the Queen's property, namely Hampton Court in a grace and favour property/ cottage ?

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There's enough going on with scandal in the Royal household they don't want any more.

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Philip from CT claims it will be 'hundreds of thousands'.  Why would they do that and how is it in the public interest?

Do you believe the relatives or police fabricated the silencer. Or was it a joint effort?
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Thought the CT had enough documentation regarding the silencer. It is one of the points in the CCRC submission.
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Do you believe the relatives or police fabricated the silencer. Or was it a joint effort?

For me, it's either police or joint. It can't be relatives on their own (ie without police knowledge).

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How would the case have panned out without the silencer ?

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For me, it's either police or joint. It can't be relatives on their own (ie without police knowledge).

Agree the relatives would not be able to fabricate the silencer alone.

The only fabrication option would be by the police. Who then asked the relatives to pretend they found it.

The police did not need to ask the relatives to pretend they found it. The police could just say they did another search. But the only other option is a guilty Bamber.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2021, 11:14:AM by Adam »
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Agree the relatives would not be able to fabricate the silencer alone.

The only fabrication option would be by the police. Who then asked the relatives to pretend they found it.

It feels good to agree for once Adam..

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It feels good to agree for once Adam..

If as I suggest in my narrative the police had taken AP's SM on the day, it would have alerted the family that there might be issues with SM's. They would have examined the implications as to why this item was of interest when JB's had not been collected as well. I cannot know what they thought but it could have triggered the back spatter idea. They were experienced fire arms users and PE was a dealer. the seed had been sown though not intentionally at this time.
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Any reasonable person can ascertain from the evidence (and work out) that the silencer was contaminated by the relatives (or a relative) at Oak farm between the 10th and 12th of August. Before the police were alerted to the blood and paint by the relatives.

Conspiratards will still invent looney scenarios involving the authorities because they are conspiratards.

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Any reasonable person can ascertain from the evidence (and work out) that the silencer was contaminated by the relatives (or a relative) at Oak farm between the 10th and 12th of August. Before the police were alerted to the blood and paint by the relatives.

Conspiratards will still invent looney scenarios involving the authorities because they are conspiratards.
It is just as inconceivable that the family were able to fool the police with this ploy at such an early stage of the enquiry. If they were that far ahead of the game why were they using PC Carr to inform them as to what was happening and why were they pestering Taff  at every opportunity. Further why did the police forge DB's witness statement to change DB1 from a silencer to a soil sample. See my post. This ploy would not have worked while Taff was in charge. It could have been conceived early but only executed once Ainsley was in charge.

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Any reasonable person can ascertain from the evidence (and work out) that the silencer was contaminated by the relatives (or a relative) at Oak farm between the 10th and 12th of August. Before the police were alerted to the blood and paint by the relatives.

Conspiratards will still invent looney scenarios involving the authorities because they are conspiratards.

Maybe Bamber attempted a silencer massacre with silencer attached.

I've heard worse ideas.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2021, 02:52:PM by Adam »
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It is just as inconceivable that the family were able to fool the police with this ploy at such an early stage of the enquiry. If they were that far ahead of the game why were they using PC Carr to inform them as to what was happening and why were they pestering Taff  at every opportunity. Further why did the police forge DB's witness statement to change DB1 from a silencer to a soil sample. See my post. This ploy would not have worked while Taff was in charge. It could have been conceived early but only executed once Ainsley was in charge.

It was not the polices job to scrutinise and pass judgement on forensic evidence. Its their Job to secure the scene, collect and pass on any forensic evidence to the forensic staff at the lab.

We don't know what the police involved personally think of the silencer. With the exception of Stan Jones and Miller as they have made their views known to us on TV shows.

Stan Jones and Miller both express the view the silencer is genuine. Stan Jones comes across as a right cretin so that answers why he thinks its genuine. Miller on the other hand expresses the view that the silencer is genuine because the lab told him so.

As far as the lab is concerned, we know that they did not understand the dubious circumstances the silencer was found in, since DI Cook handed it to them under the assumption that Stan Jones had found it and thus the staff had a false pretence. We know from Mark Webster that Hayward had never seen backspatter in a silencer before. We know from Fletcher's testimony that he does not understand the subject of backspatter very well. And neither has he seen backspatter in a silencer before either. Thus the lab fooled themselves. Millers belief is based purely on circular reasoning.

There probably are members of EP that think what I think. But they wont dare express that in public would they?
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The relatives would need to know -

Is Bamber innocent.

Sheila's arm lenght.

The rifle lenght with silencer.

Could Sheila have shot herself with the silencer attached.

What back splatter is.

Who of the 5 deceased received contact shots.

What locations would contact shots need to be to produce back splatter.

Where were the contact shots on the 5 deceased. 

Is there any other forensic evidence against Sheila.

Was there a silencer next to Sheila.

How to realistically put blood into a silencer.

Where was Sheila's blood to insert into a silencer.

Did the rifle barrell already have blood on/in.

Did the crime scene photos show an unscratched aga.

Had the police already checked all silencers at WHF.

The chance of this one piece of framed evidence getting a conviction.

The punishment if caught doing this.

Confidence in each other that none would succumb to police pressure.



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