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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: gringo on June 13, 2016, 09:44:PM
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The silencer evidence has been debated thoroughly over many years on this forum. It also seems to be the only subject on which many of us, guilty and innocent posters alike, have some form of consensus, or so it appears.
It is a given that any posters who support innocence believe that the silencer evidence is fabricated but many guilty posters also seem to support this view. It would be interesting to see how many on the guilty side believe the silencer evidence.
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The silencer evidence has been debated thoroughly over many years on this forum. It also seems to be the only subject on which many of us, guilty and innocent posters alike, have some form of consensus, or so it appears.
It is a given that any posters who support innocence believe that the silencer evidence is fabricated but many guilty posters also seem to support this view. It would be interesting to see how many on the guilty side believe the silencer evidence.
i think you should add ,notsure to the list
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Well there you are,gringo,Bingo !
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The silencer evidence has been debated thoroughly over many years on this forum. It also seems to be the only subject on which many of us, guilty and innocent posters alike, have some form of consensus, or so it appears.
It is a given that any posters who support innocence believe that the silencer evidence is fabricated but many guilty posters also seem to support this view. It would be interesting to see how many on the guilty side believe the silencer evidence.
The silencer is such a distraction. Focus on other things and you will be surprised what things you find once you dig deeper.
Or should I say silencers
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i think you should add ,notsure to the list
No, that will distort things
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The silencer is such a distraction. Focus on other things and you will be surprised what things you find once you dig deeper.
Or should I say silencers
(http://s27.postimg.org/kf6e7k6sj/suptmkay.jpg)
Not the two silencers bandwagon ::)
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Not the two silencers bandwagon ::)
yes caroline ,you guessed it :)) :)) :)) :))
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Not the two silencers bandwagon ::)
Its from the horses mouth Caroline. why would a Superintendent ask after something that does not exist?
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Yes-----------two silencers ! Out of 5 might I add.
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Shades of " walletgate and trailergate ",eh ?
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Its from the horses mouth Caroline. why would a Superintendent ask after something that does not exist?
yea one of jackies horses :))
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Shades of " walletgate and trailergate ",eh ?
what are the above about
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what are the above about
Ask Caroline. :)) :)) :)) :))
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Ask Caroline. :)) :)) :)) :))
is it a pop at caroline again,or is it the convicted childkiller accusing police of stealing money from nb wallet. :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
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yea one of jackies horses :))
I shall assume you have no straight answer for it then 8)
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I shall assume you have no straight answer for it then 8)
correct only a bent one.2 3 4 even 5 as lookout says what does it matter.jb is sitting where he is who cares,the public dont :)) :)) :))
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correct only a bent one.2 3 4 even 5 as lookout says what does it matter.jb is sitting where he is who cares,the public dont :)) :)) :))
Leave me out of your indecisions.You're worse than a politician. Anything but a straight answer.
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The silencer is such a distraction. Focus on other things and you will be surprised what things you find once you dig deeper.
Or should I say silencers
(http://s27.postimg.org/kf6e7k6sj/suptmkay.jpg)
I have already dug deeper, David. It does appear that even a majority of guilters are sceptical of the silencer evidence that was introduced in the court case and there is much evidence which leads many to believe that it is fabricated.
It would be interesting to see quite how much consensus there is on this one issue.
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I have already dug deeper, David. It does appear that even a majority of guilters are sceptical of the silencer evidence that was introduced in the court case and there is much evidence which leads many to believe that it is fabricated.
It would be interesting to see quite how much consensus there is on this one issue.
If it is fabricated it begs the question to who done it ???
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Leave me out of your indecisions.You're worse than a politician. Anything but a straight answer.
you said 1 of 5,i was just quoting you :)) :)) :))
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you said 1 of 5,i was just quoting you :)) :)) :))
I said 2 because there were 5 in all. Get it right.
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If it is fabricated it begs the question to who done it ???
crispy :)
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I said 2 because there were 5 in all. Get it right.
i think you should do what adam said change your stance it will do you good :)) :)) :))
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The silencer evidence has been debated thoroughly over many years on this forum. It also seems to be the only subject on which many of us, guilty and innocent posters alike, have some form of consensus, or so it appears.
It is a given that any posters who support innocence believe that the silencer evidence is fabricated but many guilty posters also seem to support this view. It would be interesting to see how many on the guilty side believe the silencer evidence.
Have you not read my recent threads. Or trying to pretend it does not exist ?
The silencer shows 100% that Bamber is guilty.
It was impossible for the relatives or police to frame Bamber with the silencer.
It is an outrageous and sick suggestion that law abiding citizens or the police would even think about doing this. The relatives themselves said there was enough evidence without the silencer. They were right.
There are hundreds of pieces of forensic evidence showing Sheila is not the killer. Meaning it was Bamber, who had several motives, an opportunity, no alibi and made a ludicros claim that Neville phoned him, rounding the alive suspects down to one. There is also a mountain of circumstantial evidence and several pre massacre witnesses. So no reason to fabricate the silencer.
Supporters and people who believe in lurid conspiricy theories optimistically claim that the silencer was fabficated as it shows 100% Bamber is guilty. But have no evidence. A former supporter claims Stan Jones fabricated the silencer, but again has no proof.
You know all this.
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i think you should do what adam said change your stance it will do you good :)) :)) :))
Not a chance. I'm not the type of person to take the easy way out. Always prefer a challenge,knowing that I'll succeed as not most of the time. Everything comes to those who wait.
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I believe the silencer was fabricated BUT, I don't believe there was more than one passed off as one! What would be the point? It would just complicate things as if they wouldn't have been complicated already!
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I believe the silencer was fabricated BUT, I don't believe there was more than one passed off as one! What would be the point? It would just complicate things as if they wouldn't have been complicated already!
That being the whole point------------complicating things !
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That being the whole point------------complicating things !
Such a plan would need to be simple NOT complicated.
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Not a chance. I'm not the type of person to take the easy way out. Always prefer a challenge,knowing that I'll succeed as not most of the time. Everything comes to those who wait.
so true lookout,jb certainly got what he had waited for ;)
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so true lookout,jb certainly got what he had waited for ;)
OUCH!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If the police wanted to fabricate the silencer, they just needed to do another official search and pretend to find it. They didn't do another search and were given the silencer by the relatives.
If the relatives gave the police a silencer with blood, hair and paint on, it is certain it was used for the massacre. So the police did not need to fabricate anything. They even lost the hair, which was almost certainly Neville's. Which shows how uncommitted they were to frame Bamber.
Surely people are not suggesting the relatives gave the police the silencer with nothing on, then suggested the police fabricate evidence. The police being happy to oblige.
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It was impossible for the police to fabricate the silencer evidence. For the same reasons it was impossible for the relatives to.
It is simply solid evidence which matches the other forensic evidence showing Sheila did not commit the massacre.
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It was impossible for the police to fabricate the silencer evidence. For the same reasons it was impossible for the relatives to.
It is simply solid evidence which matches the other forensic evidence showing Sheila did not commit the massacre.
glad you joined the conversation adam,having put some excellent posts on the silencer evidence :)
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Have you not read my recent threads. Or trying to pretend it does not exist ?
The silencer shows 100% that Bamber is guilty.
It was impossible for the relatives or police to frame Bamber with the silencer.
It is an outrageous and sick suggestion that law abiding citizens or the police would even think about doing this. The relatives themselves said there was enough evidence without the silencer. They were right.
There are hundreds of pieces of forensic evidence showing Sheila is not the killer. Meaning it was Bamber, who had several motives, an opportunity, no alibi and made a ludicros claim that Neville phoned him, rounding the alive suspects down to one. There is also a mountain of circumstantial evidence and several pre massacre witnesses. So no reason to fabricate the silencer.
Supporters and people who believe in lurid conspiricy theories optimistically claim that the silencer was fabficated as it shows 100% Bamber is guilty. But have no evidence. A former supporter claims Stan Jones fabricated the silencer, but again has no proof.
You know all this.
No I haven't read your threads because they are repetitive and you are unable to distinguish between facts and half baked opinions.
It appears that I am not alone in this view if the voting on the silencer evidence is anything to go by. Thus far only 1 of 9 voters is of the opinion that the silencer evidence isn't fabricated, a staggering 11%. So it appears that the rest of the forum either haven't read your recent threads or are, like me, just pretending that they don't exist.
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No I haven't read your threads because they are repetitive and you are unable to distinguish between facts and half baked opinions.
It appears that I am not alone in this view if the voting on the silencer evidence is anything to go by. Thus far only 1 of 9 voters is of the opinion that the silencer evidence isn't fabricated, a staggering 11%. So it appears that the rest of the forum either haven't read your recent threads or are, like me, just pretending that they don't exist.
are the remaining 8 jb supporters ,what will the poll prove,
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are the remaining 8 jb supporters ,what will the poll prove,
Sami, even guilters disbelieve the silencer evidence.
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Sami, even guilters disbelieve the silencer evidence.
gringo people will always be split on it like other matters relating to the case.the only thing both sides agree on ,is that 5 dead bodies were found at whf :)
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gringo people will always be split on it like other matters relating to the case.the only thing both sides agree on ,is that 5 dead bodies were found at whf :)
There is no split, Sami. On this issue there is almost overwhelming consensus that the silencer evidence is fabricated. I think it's just you and Adam :)
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There is no split, Sami. On this issue there is almost overwhelming consensus that the silencer evidence is fabricated. I think it's just you and Adam :)
i think youre wrong.never mind us the people that mattered 'the jury' 10 of them believed it was used,so its not just me and adam,iam glad you and your pals werent on that jury
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There is no split, Sami. On this issue there is almost overwhelming consensus that the silencer evidence is fabricated. I think it's just you and Adam :)
Sami has also said in the past the silencer is fabricated.
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Its from the horses mouth Caroline. why would a Superintendent ask after something that does not exist?
We have had the discussion before and yo have posted something that was said in isolation - you have no idea why that question was being asked, you have just assumed.
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Ask Caroline. :)) :)) :)) :))
Why don't you ask your friend Jackie - there was an imposter posting as her for weeks and you didn't even realise! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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There is no split, Sami. On this issue there is almost overwhelming consensus that the silencer evidence is fabricated. I think it's just you and Adam :)
I agree with you gringo, but that's just members here - it's a big world out there.
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We have had the discussion before and yo have posted something that was said in isolation - you have no idea why that question was being asked, you have just assumed.
Except I do have an idea why, it is you that has assumed I don't. I might start calling you the assumptionator ;D
It is part of a whole interview transcript about the allegations of corruptions. While going through the lab at different times the silencer for some unexplained reason had two different serial numbers 22 and 23 then back to 22 again. ;D
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No I haven't read your threads because they are repetitive and you are unable to distinguish between facts and half baked opinions.
It appears that I am not alone in this view if the voting on the silencer evidence is anything to go by. Thus far only 1 of 9 voters is of the opinion that the silencer evidence isn't fabricated, a staggering 11%. So it appears that the rest of the forum either haven't read your recent threads or are, like me, just pretending that they don't exist.
I suspect you did read the threads. And have created this poll as a weak reaction. Knowing supporters and former supporters will claim the silencer evidence was fabricated. As the evidence on it shows Bamber is 100% guilty.
I did my investigation on the silencer as supporters like to act as if it's the only piece of forensic evidence which shows Sheila did not commit the massacre. When there are over a hundred pieces. As it happens the silencer alone shows Bamber guilty.
It is preposturous to suggest the relatives or police would even think about fabricating evidence on such a grand scale But if they did, kindly tell me how they went about it, considering it was impossible to do. And while you're at it, you can tell me how Sheila committed the massacre. Including 1/2 phone calls and a kitchen fight. You were very quiet when I asked this question. Other supporters/former supporters at least refused point blank to answer.
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Sami has also said in the past the silencer is fabricated.
nice to know your tracking my posts david,its not a crime to change ones mind is it,iam still not sure about it,now david you and your gang have blamed sheila,ep,the family,the forensic experts,the judge,that now only leaves the jury wasnt it written that 1 member had persuded others to change stance,who was that jury member,could he have been planted there by ep,or the family,just another theory david for you to add to the mixing pot :)) :))
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Why don't you ask your friend Jackie - there was an imposter posting as her for weeks and you didn't even realise! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It takes one to know one does it not ?
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It takes one to know one does it not ?
According to you, Lookout, no one pulls wool over your eyes.
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It takes one to know one does it not ?
Takes one to know one? That's a ridiculous comment given that I use my real name - it comes down to 'perceptiveness'. So no it does not 'take one to know one, nah, nah, nah, nah nah! ::)
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According to you, Lookout, no one pulls wool over your eyes.
How do you know that I took any notice of the posts ?
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How do you know that I took any notice of the posts ?
Because you replied to them and complimented her.
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How do you know that I took any notice of the posts ?
What I saw at the time was a load of giddy drivel which I totally ignored. So now,what's the betting that you're going to say that it was her ? I'm not stupid in any way !!
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I agree with you gringo, but that's just members here - it's a big world out there.
It is rare to get most members of this forum to agree on anything which in itself is some achievement.
Anyway, have you not read Adam's recent threads or are you trying to pretend they don't exist?
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It is rare to get most members of this forum to agree on anything which in itself is some achievement.
Anyway, have you not read Adam's recent threads or are you trying to pretend they don't exist?
What do you think? ;) ;D
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Because you replied to them and complimented her.
How did you know it was a fake ??
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It is rare to get most members of this forum to agree on anything which in itself is some achievement.
Anyway, have you not read Adam's recent threads or are you trying to pretend they don't exist?
I'm still waiting for you to say who and how the silencer was fabricated. Or how Sheila committed the massacre.
Then again. You can't.
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You've been told time out of number how and why Sheila committed the murders so why do you keep asking ? The ONLY conclusion that I can come to is that the only posts you read are your OWN !! It's been " explained " in various versions as that's all we can do is to surmise how she'd done it because none of us were there ::) It's a debate and there are no hard and fast RULES that what any of us say,has to be taken as fact !
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You've been told time out of number how and why Sheila committed the murders so why do you keep asking ? The ONLY conclusion that I can come to is that the only posts you read are your OWN !! It's been " explained " in various versions as that's all we can do is to surmise how she'd done it because none of us were there ::) It's a debate and there are no hard and fast RULES that what any of us say,has to be taken as fact !
However, just saying "Sheila did it" isn't enough. Nor is saying why you think she did. There HAS to be a cohesive explanation. If the various parts don't fit, it won't make a whole.
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However, just saying "Sheila did it" isn't enough. Nor is saying why you think she did. There HAS to be a cohesive explanation. If the various parts don't fit, it won't make a whole.
Your only reason for Sheila not having done it is that Jeremy dd ::) So what are your reasons for not blaming Sheila ? It's not enough to say it could have been either one of them when one is unable to speak for herself but at the same time when there is no evidence against Jeremy,shouldn't you start looking at the history/background of the accused ? Which is what I did when I learnt of Sheila's traumatic life,beginning with losing babies !!
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However, just saying "Sheila did it" isn't enough. Nor is saying why you think she did. There HAS to be a cohesive explanation. If the various parts don't fit, it won't make a whole.
You know as well as I do that the pointers were in place as regards Sheila.
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You've been told time out of number how and why Sheila committed the murders so why do you keep asking ? The ONLY conclusion that I can come to is that the only posts you read are your OWN !! It's been " explained " in various versions as that's all we can do is to surmise how she'd done it because none of us were there ::) It's a debate and there are no hard and fast RULES that what any of us say,has to be taken as fact !
i think adam was asking gringo how the evidence could be fabicated ,because not all dis believers have the same theorys as to how it was done.david thinks she was sat upright ,and you said lying flat with her head slightly proped up on the sidecabinet.which i cant agree with because as soon as you start tilting you head forward while lying flat the chin gets tucked into the top of chest making the chin shot go to the brain ,impossible
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i think adam was asking gringo how the evidence could be fabicated ,because not all dis believers have the same theorys as to how it was done.david thinks she was sat upright ,and you said lying flat with her head slightly proped up on the sidecabinet.which i cant agree with because as soon as you start tilting you head forward while lying flat the chin gets tucked into the top of chest making the chin shot go to the brain ,impossible
If Sheila had been in a sitting position,she'd have slumped sideways, and would not have slithered into a lying flat position.This is my reason for saying that she was already flattish after the second shot.
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If Sheila had been in a sitting position,she'd have slumped sideways, and would not have slithered into a lying flat position.This is my reason for saying that she was already flattish after the second shot.
i see what you mean
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If you apply logic to any suicide that takes place using a firearm,
A shot to the side of the head, in the mouth, or to the front of the chest is usually suicide. Wounds located anywhere else are most likely homicide.
Most suicide shots are contact shots, Anything further away is likely homicide.
Number of shots fired: After one shot, even if a suicide victim isn't dead, he would likely be unconscious or physically unable to fire a second time. Multiple shots usually indicate homicide.
Returning a silencer back to a cupboard after shooting one self usually indicates homicide?
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You've been told time out of number how and why Sheila committed the murders so why do you keep asking ? The ONLY conclusion that I can come to is that the only posts you read are your OWN !! It's been " explained " in various versions as that's all we can do is to surmise how she'd done it because none of us were there ::) It's a debate and there are no hard and fast RULES that what any of us say,has to be taken as fact !
I was asking Gringo.
I asked 'how'. Not why.
Please include 1/2 phone calls, a kitchen fight and the insertion/removal of the silencer.
I also asked Gringo how the silencer was fabricated. But feel free to answer that yourself as doubtful Gringo will answer.
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If you apply logic to any suicide that takes place using a firearm,
A shot to the side of the head, in the mouth, or to the front of the chest is usually suicide. Wounds located anywhere else are most likely homicide.
Most suicide shots are contact shots, Anything further away is likely homicide.
Number of shots fired: After one shot, even if a suicide victim isn't dead, he would likely be unconscious or physically unable to fire a second time. Multiple shots usually indicate homicide.
Returning a silencer back to a cupboard after shooting one self usually indicates homicide?
yes i will agree with that
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Your only reason for Sheila not having done it is that Jeremy dd ::) So what are your reasons for not blaming Sheila ? It's not enough to say it could have been either one of them when one is unable to speak for herself but at the same time when there is no evidence against Jeremy,shouldn't you start looking at the history/background of the accused ? Which is what I did when I learnt of Sheila's traumatic life,beginning with losing babies !!
You've either digressed or missed the point here, Lookout. There are various scenarios in which all the pieces/timings add up and adequately show how Jeremy could have done it. Thus far, you've done nothing by way of offering ANYTHING in which all pieces/timings fit, regarding Sheila doing it.
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Because no evidence was found pointing to either Sheila or Jeremy----------(-pathologist not knowing if it was murder or suicide ) I think I've done more than enough explaining about my thoughts on it being Sheila that it's NOT my fault if you're ALL too thick to understand what I've been writing in my 28,000 POSTS !!
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Because no evidence was found pointing to either Sheila or Jeremy----------(-pathologist not knowing if it was murder or suicide ) I think I've done more than enough explaining about my thoughts on it being Sheila that it's NOT my fault if you're ALL too thick to understand what I've been writing in my 28,000 POSTS !!
Oh, you've explained your thoughts, vociferously and frequently. A thought here and a thought there. Trouble is, whilst, at a push, they COULD be said to stand alone, once they're joined up we have Sheila, by necessity, shooting June from under the bed and/or and already deceased June delivering the fatal shot to Sheila.
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Oh, you've explained your thoughts, vociferously and frequently. A thought here and a thought there. Trouble is, whilst, at a push, they COULD be said to stand alone, once they're joined up we have Sheila, by necessity, shooting June from under the bed and/or and already deceased June delivering the fatal shot to Sheila.
Whatever I've posted includes more or less a battle between the two women however I believe happened, with JB completely out of the scenario. Isn't it enough to tell you that JB had nothing to do with it. Where there's no evidence,there's no debate. All that there's been from your camp is the same repetative theme of " he's guilty " minus any substance to your claims,only parrot-fashion of what's already written up,and what,to you,are the majority on the forum following because everyone else happens to.
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Because no evidence was found pointing to either Sheila or Jeremy----------(-pathologist not knowing if it was murder or suicide ) I think I've done more than enough explaining about my thoughts on it being Sheila that it's NOT my fault if you're ALL too thick to understand what I've been writing in my 28,000 POSTS !!
ouch ,you should change your stance,lookout :) just quoting adam
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ouch ,you should change your stance,lookout :) just quoting adam
Why,how much is in it for you ??
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Why,how much is in it for you ??
would be nice to have you on board :)
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Whatever I've posted includes more or less a battle between the two women however I believe happened, with JB completely out of the scenario. Isn't it enough to tell you that JB had nothing to do with it. Where there's no evidence,there's no debate. All that there's been from your camp is the same repetative theme of " he's guilty " minus any substance to your claims,only parrot-fashion of what's already written up,and what,to you,are the majority on the forum following because everyone else happens to.
When it comes to parrot fashion with no substance, I think the pot is calling the kettle black. Give me an intelligent and workable scenario for June shooting Sheila dead and a further explanation of how June managed to die with no one to shoot her and you may have something worth listening to.
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When it comes to parrot fashion with no substance, I think the pot is calling the kettle black. Give me an intelligent and workable scenario for June shooting Sheila dead and a further explanation of how June managed to die with no one to shoot her and you may have something worth listening to.
looking forward to her answer ,jane,if she has one ;)
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would be nice to have you on board :)
Your bias is showing >:( How obvious you're PERSONALLY divided !
But I am " on board--on the forum " ? Pardon me for not being in the same league as you and your chums.
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Your bias is showing >:( How obvious you're PERSONALLY divided !
But I am " on board--on the forum " ? Pardon me for not being in the same league as you and your chums.
we love having you on the forum lookout, :)
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Whatever I've posted includes more or less a battle between the two women however I believe happened, with JB completely out of the scenario. Isn't it enough to tell you that JB had nothing to do with it. Where there's no evidence,there's no debate. All that there's been from your camp is the same repetative theme of " he's guilty " minus any substance to your claims,only parrot-fashion of what's already written up,and what,to you,are the majority on the forum following because everyone else happens to.
Where is the evidence that Sheila or even June were responsible? No it isn't enough OBVIOUSLY for YOU to say Jeremy Bamber didn't do it. Tell that to the CCRC and when they stop laughing .....
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Where is the evidence that Sheila or even June were responsible? No it isn't enough OBVIOUSLY for YOU to say Jeremy Bamber didn't do it. Tell that to the CCRC and when they stop laughing .....
Where's the evidence that JB did it ? Mental issues ? History of violence or instability ? Psychosis ?
Both women suffered with mental health issues and both were psychotic in their diagnoses. Inflammable
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Where's the evidence that JB did it ? Mental issues ? History of violence or instability ? Psychosis ?
Both women suffered with mental health issues and both were psychotic in their diagnoses. Inflammable
are you saying you have to one of the 3 above to be able to commit this crime,i doubt it,you forgot to mention greed and dishonesty,jb had both and it drove him to murder 5 people,thats a fact or he wouldnt have robbed the campsite,stealing from ones own parents
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jb wanted big money at any cost,greed is what caused him to act as he did :)
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are you saying you have to one of the 3 above to be able to commit this crime,i doubt it,you forgot to mention greed and dishonesty,jb had both and it drove him to murder 5 people,thats a fact or he wouldnt have robbed the campsite,stealing from ones own parents
Greed and dishonesty ( a weak excuse for those who want to justify JB's actions) doesn't pave the way for the murder of five people.
A history of being mentally unstable does !
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Where's the evidence that JB did it ? Mental issues ? History of violence or instability ? Psychosis ?
Both women suffered with mental health issues and both were psychotic in their diagnoses. Inflammable
You're the one screaming about there being no evidence! I'm happy with the circumstantial evidence that convicted Jeremy Bamber. You haven't got one stroke of evidence against either Sheila or June (especially JUNE)! History of violence? Not even you can believe that. They both had mental health issues - so?
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Greed and dishonesty ( a weak excuse for those who want to justify JB's actions) doesn't pave the way for the murder of five people.
A history of being mentally unstable does !
each to their own,more people have murdered for greed than people with mental instability ;D
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each to their own,more people have murdered for greed than people with mental instability ;D
Totally!
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Greed and dishonesty ( a weak excuse for those who want to justify JB's actions) doesn't pave the way for the murder of five people.
A history of being mentally unstable does !
lookout there was a case in usa,where a couple were taken to sea chained together to a fridge then tossed into the sea,what a horrible way to die,it was done so the killer could get they yacht .greed is a terrible thing
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lookout there was a case in usa,where a couple were taken to sea chained together to a fridge then tossed into the sea,what a horrible way to die,it was done so the killer could get they yacht .greed is a terrible thing
I read a book similar to that it's a true story called 'And the Sea Will Tell' - is it the case case? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Will-Tell-Vincent-Bugliosi/dp/0393327965
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Where's the evidence that JB did it ? Mental issues ? History of violence or instability ? Psychosis ?
Both women suffered with mental health issues and both were psychotic in their diagnoses. Inflammable
God bless Lookout. x xxxxx xxxx xxxx.
There are over 100 pieces of forensic evidence showing it was not Sheila. Which is in the library. So Bamber is guilty due to his phone call to the police.
Twenty forth time this has been said.
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You're the one screaming about there being no evidence! I'm happy with the circumstantial evidence that convicted Jeremy Bamber. You haven't got one stroke of evidence against either Sheila or June (especially JUNE)! History of violence? Not even you can believe that. They both had mental health issues - so?
What circumstantial evidence? Julie said? ::)
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I read a book similar to that it's a true story called 'And the Sea Will Tell' - is it the case case? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Will-Tell-Vincent-Bugliosi/dp/0393327965
Interesting. I just watched the FBI files documentary on this. Still haven't found the other guys body :(
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What circumstantial evidence? Julie said? ::)
The list on this is massive and no, not just what Julie said. ::)
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I read a book similar to that it's a true story called 'And the Sea Will Tell' - is it the case case? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Will-Tell-Vincent-Bugliosi/dp/0393327965
could be caroline,i watched it on cable tv on a crime series,i might add the couple were alive when bound and throwen in the sea,the killer his girlfriend and a mate he employed to act as his lawyer all did it for greed,not a mental health issue in sight
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God bless Lookout. x xxxxx xxx xxxx
There are over 100 pieces of forensic evidence showing it was not Sheila. Which is in the library. So Bamber is guilty due to his phone call to the police.
Twenty forth time this has been said.
You know what you can do with your " xxxxx xxx xxxx xxxxxx !!
I've got more balls than you'll ever have !
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no need for that.iam sure maggie will delete your double 5 word.you yourself have said your 76yrs old
Diddums----------want a few more words ?
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anyway back to the topic,kiss n makeup :)
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could be caroline,i watched it on cable tv on a crime series,i might add the couple were alive when bound and throwen in the sea,the killer his girlfriend and a mate he employed to act as his lawyer all did it for greed,not a mental health issue in sight
Think it depends what you mean by mental health issues, whether you mean a diagnosed mental health illness or psychological issues, would guess anyone who was capable of such brutality must have been personality disordered. Think to be that greedy and wicked there has to be something seriously wrong with a person's psychology.
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could be caroline,i watched it on cable tv on a crime series,i might add the couple were alive when bound and throwen in the sea,the killer his girlfriend and a mate he employed to act as his lawyer all did it for greed,not a mental health issue in sight
Not the same one then - the couple I read about were murdered in 1974 by a couple of hippies (although the female was acquitted). They were killed on an uninhabited island called Palmyra in the Pacific Ocean for their yacht. They didn't find remains until 1981 when a skull was found - it showed signs of dismemberment.
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Think it depends what you mean by mental health issues, whether you mean a diagnosed mental health illness or psychological issues, would guess anyone who was capable of such brutality must have been personality disordered. Think to be that greedy and wicked there has to be something seriously wrong with a person's psychology.
could be maggie,but they cant all have had that trait,none of his 3 accomplices intervened ,had no compassion in their hearts,all stood to gain money
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Not the same one then - the couple I read about were murdered in 1974 by a couple of hippies (although the female was acquitted). They were killed on an uninhabited island called Palmyra in the Pacific Ocean for their yacht. They didn't find remains until 1981 when a skull was found - it showed signs of dismemberment.
caroline in this one a baby was used to throw the couple of the intent and make them feel comfortable ,how sick
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Why don't you put your weight behind an organisation to " keep JB behind bars " , in opposition to the Change.org. support Jeremy Bamber site ? I'd be curious to see replies along with the amount of support you'd gain.
You've all got enough to say on here so why not do it ? I would if I felt as strongly about his guilt as you all do. Or write to the papers what you've written here ?
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could be maggie,but they cant all have had that trait,none of his 3 accomplices intervened ,had no compassion in their hearts,all stood to gain money
I accept what you say but I just cannot believe that anyone who can behave in that way out of greed or anything else could be so wicked unless they are 'personality/mentally disordered' in some way, It depends what we mean by 'mentally ill' I suppose. A psychopath is not 'mentally ill' per se but they are seen as having a personality disorder. :-\
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caroline in this one a baby was used to throw the couple of the intent and make them feel comfortable ,how sick
No, they didn't have a baby - they could do what they wanted because the island was uninhabited. Just found the movie on Youtube if anyone is interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkSHtqxKj8o&list=PL5yDV2vP5XsOUpgD88QKiJWrWJIacxMZK
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Why don't you put your weight behind an organisation to " keep JB behind bars " , in opposition to the Change.org. support Jeremy Bamber site ? I'd be curious to see replies along with the amount of support you'd gain.
You've all got enough to say on here so why not do it ? I would if I felt as strongly about his guilt as you all do. Or write to the papers what you've written here ?
What would be the point of that? People do such things when there is a strong possibility of release - there isn't in Jeremy's case.
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Why don't you put your weight behind an organisation to " keep JB behind bars " , in opposition to the Change.org. support Jeremy Bamber site ? I'd be curious to see replies along with the amount of support you'd gain.
You've all got enough to say on here so why not do it ? I would if I felt as strongly about his guilt as you all do. Or write to the papers what you've written here ?
i dont think anyone on here is that fanatical about the case,maybe david n mike but not many others would get involved in the above way,
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The list on this is massive and no, not just what Julie said. ::)
Can you Write the list out please :)
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I accept what you say but I just cannot believe that anyone who can behave in that way out of greed or anything else could be so wicked unless they are 'personality/mentally disordered' in some way, It depends what we mean by 'mentally ill' I suppose. A psychopath is not 'mentally ill' per se but they are seen as having a personality disorder. :-\
i remember a episode of minder,when the pc says to the sgt' arthur's not capable of murder'the sgt replied is that what they taught you at hendon,some people are capable of murder and others are not :)
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God bless Lookout. x xxxxx xxxx xxxx.
There are over 100 pieces of forensic evidence showing it was not Sheila. Which is in the library. So Bamber is guilty due to his phone call to the police.
Twenty forth time this has been said.
Ah yes! Adams infamous forensic library
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Can you Write the list out please :)
Certainly, when I get a spare couple of hours!
Perhaps you could also write a list of evidence that points to Sheila?
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Certainly, when I get a spare couple of hours!
Perhaps you could also write a list of evidence that points to Sheila?
You have plenty of spare hours while your on this forum.
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Ah yes! Adams infamous forensic library
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how would you know you have never read the posts in adams libaray .because you practice the art of rubbishing people who are a threat to the nonsense you post :)
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You have plenty of spare hours while your on this forum.
and the same goes for you ,post your list as well :)
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Certainly, when I get a spare couple of hours!
Perhaps you could also write a list of evidence that points to Sheila?
Pffft-----you're up half the night,aren't you ? Plenty of time ! Second thoughts,you might have Justice telling you about the amount of time you're spending online !! Silly me,it was only aimed at ME,a SUPPORTER !!
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Pffft-----you're up half the night,aren't you ? Plenty of time ! Second thoughts,you might have Justice telling you about the amount of time you're spending online !! Silly me,it was only aimed at ME,a SUPPORTER !!
you really are in a foul mood lookout,try a drop of chivers regal,might make you feel better :)
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how would you know you have never read the posts in adams libaray .because you practice the art of rubbishing people who are a threat to the nonsense you post :)
Adam is no threat to my posts, infact he helps my posts ;D
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you really are in a foul mood lookout,try a drop of chivers regal,might make you feel better :)
No,I'm not in any mood. It's the sort of thing that I put up with after replies of MOST of my posts. So now you know what it looks like.
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You have plenty of spare hours while your on this forum.
I'm not always on this forum - my lap-top is always on and signed in (or most of the time). If you want to try and level that childish BS at me and parrot JP - then you need to consider how long you're on this and the red forum.
Now instead of TRYING to hurl a cheap shot, answer the question yourself. Sheila is guilty because ...........
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Adam is no threat to my posts, infact he helps my posts ;D
The worst threat to your posts is you!
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---------------------of her mental instability.
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---------------------of her mental instability.
And that's it? Totally circumstantial - not good enough to convict Jeremy, but good enough for Sheila eh? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm not always on this forum - my lap-top is always on and signed in (or most of the time). If you want to try and level that childish BS at me and parrot JP - then you need to consider how long you're on this and the red forum.
Now instead of TRYING to hurl a cheap shot, answer the question yourself. Sheila is guilty because ...........
In others words you have no list to make ;D
The list on this is massive
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No,I'm not in any mood. It's the sort of thing that I put up with after replies of MOST of my posts. So now you know what it looks like.
not at all ,please feel free to continue :)
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In others words you have no list to make ;D
No, I will be making a list, but it won't be made of bluff and dishonesty that is inherent in your posts. I wonder if we will get the same from you in respect to Sheila because her mental illness and a palm print on the bible is pathetic.
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Even your hero thinks ......
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No, I will be making a list, but it won't be made of bluff and dishonesty that is inherent in your posts. I wonder if we will get the same from you in respect to Sheila because her mental illness and a palm print on the bible is pathetic.
Allot of My posts are based on scientific studies and I often paste the relevant parts in them, they are supported opinions. bluff and dishonesty would be like for example saying photos of Sheila's feet are not Sheila's feet ,, OH Wait! ;D
instead of being evasive or answering the question with a question why not just focus on the "Massive List" of circumstancial evidence sans Julie Mugford ;D
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I read a book similar to that it's a true story called 'And the Sea Will Tell' - is it the case case? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Will-Tell-Vincent-Bugliosi/dp/0393327965
If anyone is interested here is a link to the FBI files documentary :)
http://vidzi.tv/qxx6d3e9ihxs.html (http://vidzi.tv/qxx6d3e9ihxs.html)
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No, I will be making a list, but it won't be made of bluff and dishonesty that is inherent in your posts. I wonder if we will get the same from you in respect to Sheila because her mental illness and a palm print on the bible is pathetic.
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Even your hero thinks ......
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here here caroline,let him post his list first,the burden of proof is on them,holding the rifle at at that angle is laughable :)
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Allot of My posts are based on scientific studies and I often paste the relevant parts in them, they are supported opinions. bluff and dishonesty would be like for example saying photos of Sheila's feet are not Sheila's feet ,, OH Wait! ;D
instead of being evasive or answering the question with a question why not just focus on the "Massive List" of circumstancial evidence sans Julie Mugford ;D
Yes you do quote scientific studies, studies that have little relation to what you are explaining and often they refute even yo own point. You're a bluffer David! Where is the proof that the foot is Sheila's?
Funny isn't it, the list of circumstantial evidence (plus the silencer) convicted Bamber because they realised there was NO EVIDENCE to tie in Sheila other than she had a history of mental illness ...... and errrrr, hmmmmm? I'll wite the list in my own time and post it when I'm ready and none of your goading will make me post it any quicker.
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here here caroline,let him post his list first,the burden of proof is on them,holding the rifle at at that angle is laughable :)
A classic case of David's dishonesty. ::)
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A classic case of David's dishonesty. ::)
the angle shot was backed up with a diagram that proved nothing,the question still remains WHY would she shoot herself from that angle :)
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Yes you do quote scientific studies, studies that have little relation to what you are explaining and often they refute even yo own point. You're a bluffer David! Where is the proof that the foot is Sheila's?
Funny isn't it, the list of circumstantial evidence (plus the silencer) convicted Bamber because they realised there was NO EVIDENCE to tie in Sheila other than she had a history of mental illness ...... and errrrr, hmmmmm? I'll wite the list in my own time and post it when I'm ready and none of you goading will make me post it any quicker.
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I spoke to the person that obtained the photographs. You don't see Essex police coming out saying its wrong. You think Essex Police and the CCRC wont take the opportunity to expose AH and JB as liars if they knew they were not Sheila's feet?
Make your massive list I shall be waiting
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I spoke to the person that obtained the photographs. You don't see Essex police coming out saying its wrong. You think Essex Police and the CCRC wont take the opportunity to expose AH and JB as liars if they knew they were not Sheila's feet?
Make your massive list I shall be waiting
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You're less 'Fight Club' and more Bean! - Patience!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You're less 'Fight Club' and more Bean! - Patience!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Ha Ha like it Caroline
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A classic case of David's dishonesty. ::)
It must be incredible how such a dishonest person manages to get so much scientific research to back up his claims ::)
This study hypothesizes that women are less
likely than men to use suicide methods that disfigure the
face. Gender differences in the use of suicide methods that
disfigure the face were examined using medical examiner’s
files of 621 suicides covering a 10-year period from
Summit County, Ohio in the U.S. Results showed that
while firearms are the preferred method for both women
and men, women were less likely to shoot themselves in the
head. A series of logistic regression analyses revealed that
gender, age, stressful life events and prior suicide attempts
were predictors of methods that disfigure the face/head.
Significant differences between men and women in correlates
of suicide method emerged when the sample was split
by gender. The results support the position that women who
commit suicide are more likely than men who commit
suicide to avoid facial disfiguration.
women were more likely than men to use suicide
methods that would not disfigure their facial appearance.
Additionally, among firearm suicides, women should be
less likely than men to shoot themselves in the face/head.
For example, Cohle’s (1977) analysis of 121 handgun suicides
found that 88.9% of men shot themselves in the head
compared to 48.4% of women
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I spoke to the person that obtained the photographs. You don't see Essex police coming out saying its wrong. You think Essex Police and the CCRC wont take the opportunity to expose AH and JB as liars if they knew they were not Sheila's feet?
Make your massive list I shall be waiting
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I know who was responsible for the article that claimed the feet were Sheila's - I think he is wrong and I think the police are just letting the supporters hang themselves. Why should they deny it when it's obvious if you're not wearing blinkers!
I'll leave the last word for Frank!
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I spoke to the person that obtained the photographs. You don't see Essex police coming out saying its wrong. You think Essex Police and the CCRC wont take the opportunity to expose AH and JB as liars if they knew they were not Sheila's feet?
Make your massive list I shall be waiting
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who is it,'dont tell me you cant say',also ep are not interested they have no intention what so ever of giving jb media exposure by denying it or accepting it,they are not playing jb's games they are leaving that to you,we all know he has as much chance of another appeal as i have becoming pope :)) :)) :))
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It must be incredible how such a dishonest person manages to get so much scientific research to back up his claims ::)
This study hypothesizes that women are less
likely than men to use suicide methods that disfigure the
face. Gender differences in the use of suicide methods that
disfigure the face were examined using medical examiner’s
files of 621 suicides covering a 10-year period from
Summit County, Ohio in the U.S. Results showed that
while firearms are the preferred method for both women
and men, women were less likely to shoot themselves in the
head. A series of logistic regression analyses revealed that
gender, age, stressful life events and prior suicide attempts
were predictors of methods that disfigure the face/head.
Significant differences between men and women in correlates
of suicide method emerged when the sample was split
by gender. The results support the position that women who
commit suicide are more likely than men who commit
suicide to avoid facial disfiguration.
women were more likely than men to use suicide
methods that would not disfigure their facial appearance.
Additionally, among firearm suicides, women should be
less likely than men to shoot themselves in the face/head.
For example, Cohle’s (1977) analysis of 121 handgun suicides
found that 88.9% of men shot themselves in the head
compared to 48.4% of women
Yet another American study!
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It must be incredible how such a dishonest person manages to get so much scientific research to back up his claims ::)
This study hypothesizes that women are less
likely than men to use suicide methods that disfigure the
face. Gender differences in the use of suicide methods that
disfigure the face were examined using medical examiner’s
files of 621 suicides covering a 10-year period from
Summit County, Ohio in the U.S. Results showed that
while firearms are the preferred method for both women
and men, women were less likely to shoot themselves in the
head. A series of logistic regression analyses revealed that
gender, age, stressful life events and prior suicide attempts
were predictors of methods that disfigure the face/head.
Significant differences between men and women in correlates
of suicide method emerged when the sample was split
by gender. The results support the position that women who
commit suicide are more likely than men who commit
suicide to avoid facial disfiguration.
women were more likely than men to use suicide
methods that would not disfigure their facial appearance.
Additionally, among firearm suicides, women should be
less likely than men to shoot themselves in the face/head.
For example, Cohle’s (1977) analysis of 121 handgun suicides
found that 88.9% of men shot themselves in the head
compared to 48.4% of women
proves what,how many men were involved and how many women in the 121 cases.it shows nearly half of the women shot themselfs in the head,so what
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Yet another American study!
The other day you made a fuss because the study I cited was French
Is this the best counter arguments you can come up with? criticize the nationality of the scientists? .......... Oh Dear!
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proves what,how many men were involved and how many women in the 121 cases.it shows nearly half of the women shot themselfs in the head,so what
It wouldn't be the choice of weapon here and it doesn't explain why Sheila wouldn't have put the rifle in her mouth - wouldn't have touched her face!
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The other day you made a fuss because the study I cited was French
Is this the best counter arguments you can come up with? criticize the nationality of the scientists? .......... Oh Dear!
Where?
However, when you're applying science you have to compare like with like and nationality and culture are important - especially in things like suicide rates and types of methods used. If you don't know that then you're always going to post studies that aren't relevant!
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It wouldn't be the choice of weapon here and it doesn't explain why Sheila wouldn't have put the rifle in her mouth - wouldn't have touched her face!
Where guns are available,they ARE the choice. Sheila's face was in a perfect composure untouched by a firearm !
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Where guns are available,they ARE the choice. Sheila's face was in a perfect composure untouched by a firearm !
Where guns are FAMILIAR!
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Where guns are FAMILIAR!
AVAILABLE----they are the FIRST and OBVIOUS choice !!
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AVAILABLE----they are the FIRST and OBVIOUS choice !!
That's what someone who staged a scene would want you to believe - which is why they left the gun out!
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That's what someone who staged a scene would want you to believe - which is why they left the gun out!
::) Naturally,but not necessarily JB.
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::) Naturally,but not necessarily JB.
No definitely Jeremy, he said he left the gun out! ::)
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No definitely Jeremy, he said he left the gun out! ::)
For his father to put away as per,and because the children were staying. ::) Sadly it was grabbed from him by Sheila before he got the chance.
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For his father to put away as per,and because the children were staying. ::) Sadly it was grabbed from him by Sheila before he got the chance.
Grabbed from him was it? So he stood there while she looked foe the magazine which wasn't actually attached at the time? Then he also stood there while she fixed it to the rifle and then what? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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For his father to put away as per,and because the children were staying. ::) Sadly it was grabbed from him by Sheila before he got the chance.
Lookout, I recall asking you to present a cohesive and acceptable synopsis of occurrences. The above would appear to be neither.
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Lookout, I recall asking you to present a cohesive and acceptable synopsis of occurrences. The above would appear to be neither.
ALL my "28,000" ! posts have covered all that--------not my fault if you've been selective in your reading of them.
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I was wondering if forensics could tell whether any blood present in the silencer had been deposited by the firing of a weapon or had been deliberately put there by a dropper or some other implement, as alleged by Mike and others. I was also wondering whether the photographs taken by PC Bird and cut into strips whereby some had apparently disappeared contained pictures of the mantelpiece without scratches or whether there were none taken of that particular area.
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I was wondering if forensics could tell whether any blood present in the silencer had been deposited by the firing of a weapon or had been deliberately put there by a dropper or some other implement, as alleged by Mike and others. I was also wondering whether the photographs taken by PC Bird and cut into strips whereby some had apparently disappeared contained pictures of the mantelpiece without scratches or whether there were none taken of that particular area.
The only way to create the back splatter effect of a contact shot, is by (you guessed it), a contact shot.
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ALL my "28,000" ! posts have covered all that--------not my fault if you've been selective in your reading of them.
There may well be the number you quote, Lookout, but they're disjointed, ergo, they simply don't add up. You may insist that Sheila did X,Y, or Z but information we have from others contradicts that. The only thing you can resort to is that she had a sudden and overwhelming brainstorm bjut nothing about her previous behaviours suggests this as a possibility. I also fin d it hard to believe that BOTH women would have suffered brainstorms simultaneously and for June to turn a gun on Sheila, that's what it would have need to have been.
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There may well be the number you quote, Lookout, but they're disjointed, ergo, they simply don't add up. You may insist that Sheila did X,Y, or Z but information we have from others contradicts that. The only thing you can resort to is that she had a sudden and overwhelming brainstorm bjut nothing about her previous behaviours suggests this as a possibility. I also fin d it hard to believe that BOTH women would have suffered brainstorms simultaneously and for June to turn a gun on Sheila, that's what it would have need to have been.
Disjointed posts ?? Better that than trying to be someone you're NOT,I suppose !!
There was NOTHING sudden about Sheila's,nor June's outbursts of hysteria/neuroticism as both had experienced such spells as have been stated/written about,and psychosis is no different because it's not planned,it happens at any given time in which NOBODY can predict. Instant and immediate aggression because their minds haven't got the same capabilities as of the norm. Sheila had a terrible temper borne out of frustration and those in her situation are ticking time-bombs,much like that murderer in Leeds recently who'd suffered mental health problems for years but deemed " not to have been a danger ",yeah ! We've heard it all before from these know-all psychiatrists.
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Disjointed posts ?? Better that than trying to be someone you're NOT,I suppose !!
There was NOTHING sudden about Sheila's,nor June's outbursts of hysteria/neuroticism as both had experienced such spells as have been stated/written about,and psychosis is no different because it's not planned,it happens at any given time in which NOBODY can predict. Instant and immediate aggression because their minds haven't got the same capabilities as of the norm. Sheila had a terrible temper borne out of frustration and those in her situation are ticking time-bombs,much like that murderer in Leeds recently who'd suffered mental health problems for years but deemed " not to have been a danger ",yeah ! We've heard it all before from these know-all psychiatrists.
So "know-all" you is claiming to know more than know-all psychiatrists. As for the above, it will most certainly have happened somewhere at some time, but other than your determination to believe such in formation regarding Sheila has been deliberately hidden, there is nothing to indicate it. You make wild and sweeping statements regarding her "terrible temper" but those occasions on which we know of her anger, it was justified and not beyond reason. I don't recall that any family member has hinted at such outbursts. You use ONE occasion on which she put her fist through glass to claim that she self harmed which smacks more of what you want her to have been than what she was.
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ALL my "28,000" ! posts have covered all that--------not my fault if you've been selective in your reading of them.
No they haven't.
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No they haven't.
And-------------the usual one-liners from yourself ::) Yaaaaaawwwwwnnnnn.
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And-------------the usual one-liners from yourself ::) Yaaaaaawwwwwnnnnn.
What about them?
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proves what,how many men were involved and how many women in the 121 cases.it shows nearly half of the women shot themselfs in the head,so what
if she was so worried about her features ,why didnt she cut her wrists or take an overdose or hanged her self.far more likely any woman would do the 3 above ,over shooting herself,common sense david.try using it sometime :)
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if she was so worried about her features ,why didnt she cut her wrists or take an overdose or hanged her self.far more likely any woman would do the 3 above ,over shooting herself,common sense david.try using it sometime :)
Or just shoot herself in the mouth, it wouldn't have impacted on her face.
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Or just shoot herself in the mouth, it wouldn't have impacted on her face.
exactly caroline after all the one to the chin went through the mouth anyway :)
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exactly caroline after all the one to the chin went through the mouth anyway :)
The second shot is the giveaway really.
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what i cant understand is why after shooting herself in the neck from a 45d angle ,she would than choose to put the rifle between her legs and aim under the chin,why not continue with another neck shot at the same angle why change it,maybe she knew she only had one bullet left :)) :))
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what i cant understand is why after shooting herself in the neck from a 45d angle ,she would than choose to put the rifle between her legs and aim under the chin,why not continue with another neck shot at the same angle why change it,maybe she knew she only had one bullet left :)) :))
Moving her head in to position would have been an effort of will with a shattered spine.
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Moving her head in to position would have been an effort of will with a shattered spine.
yes i see what you mean jane ,good point :)
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Moving her head in to position would have been an effort of will with a shattered spine.
No it wouldn't !
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No it wouldn't !
ANOTHER sweeping statement!!!
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ANOTHER sweeping statement!!!
NO IT SN'T ! The jolt of the shot would have caused her to jerk.
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NO IT SN'T ! The jolt of the shot would have caused her to jerk.
oh so her neck would have jerked her in position for the kill shot,but had 2nd shot not entered the brain what would she have done then
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oh so her neck would have jerked her in position for the kill shot,but had 2nd shot not entered the brain what would she have done then
Sami, the first shot would have been fatal but not immediately so and Lookout is known for her sweeping statements which make no allowances for leaway.
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Sami, the first shot would have been fatal but not immediately so and Lookout is known for her sweeping statements which make no allowances for leaway.
yes that sounds right jane :)
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Can anyone explain how " a " silencer became damaged ?
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Or why anyone wonders why PC Woodcock wasn't looking for a silencer when he first discovered the bodes ?
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Or why anyone thinks that PC Woodcock wasn't looking for a silencer when he first discovered the bodes ?
why would he be
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why would he be
Because he knew at the time that they were dealing with a murder suicide being first on the scene.
How come there was a damaged silencer found ?
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Who found the shotgun and where was it found ?
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Who found the shotgun and where was it found ?
Did AE say she'd found the shotgun in one of the rooms ?
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Who found the shotgun and where was it found ?
search me,lookout :)
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The only way to create the back splatter effect of a contact shot, is by (you guessed it), a contact shot.
The ballistics expert, Malcolm Fletcher, did not prove or establish that any blood had actually got inside the silencer by the process of back spatter, or back splatter, or drawback! All he did was postulate by providing an explanation as to how that blood could have got there, there was actually no physical proof that the blood in question had got there by those means!