silencer evidence

[Adam]

I was wondering if forensics could tell whether any blood present in the silencer had been deposited by the firing of a weapon or had been deliberately put there by a dropper or some other implement, as alleged by Mike and others. I was also wondering whether the photographs taken by PC Bird and cut into strips whereby some had apparently disappeared contained pictures of the mantelpiece without scratches or whether there were none taken of that particular area.

The only way to create the back splatter effect of a contact shot, is by (you guessed it), a contact shot.

[Jane]

ALL my "28,000" ! posts have covered all that--------not my fault if you've been selective in your reading of them.

There may well be the number you quote, Lookout, but they're disjointed, ergo, they simply don't add up. You may insist that Sheila did X,Y, or Z but information we have from others contradicts that. The only thing you can resort to is that she had a sudden and overwhelming brainstorm bjut nothing about her previous behaviours suggests this as a possibility. I also fin d it hard to believe that BOTH women would have suffered brainstorms simultaneously and for June to turn a gun on Sheila, that's what it would have need to have been.

[lookout]

There may well be the number you quote, Lookout, but they're disjointed, ergo, they simply don't add up. You may insist that Sheila did X,Y, or Z but information we have from others contradicts that. The only thing you can resort to is that she had a sudden and overwhelming brainstorm bjut nothing about her previous behaviours suggests this as a possibility. I also fin d it hard to believe that BOTH women would have suffered brainstorms simultaneously and for June to turn a gun on Sheila, that's what it would have need to have been.

 Disjointed posts ?? Better that than trying to be someone you're NOT,I suppose !!

There was NOTHING sudden about Sheila's,nor June's outbursts of hysteria/neuroticism as both had experienced  such spells as have been stated/written about,and psychosis is no different because it's not planned,it happens at any given time in which NOBODY can predict. Instant and immediate aggression because their minds haven't got the same capabilities as of the norm. Sheila had a terrible temper borne out of frustration and those in her situation are ticking time-bombs,much like that murderer in Leeds recently who'd suffered mental health problems for years but deemed " not to have been a danger ",yeah ! We've heard it all before from these know-all psychiatrists.

[Jane]

 Disjointed posts ?? Better that than trying to be someone you're NOT,I suppose !!

There was NOTHING sudden about Sheila's,nor June's outbursts of hysteria/neuroticism as both had experienced  such spells as have been stated/written about,and psychosis is no different because it's not planned,it happens at any given time in which NOBODY can predict. Instant and immediate aggression because their minds haven't got the same capabilities as of the norm. Sheila had a terrible temper borne out of frustration and those in her situation are ticking time-bombs,much like that murderer in Leeds recently who'd suffered mental health problems for years but deemed " not to have been a danger ",yeah ! We've heard it all before from these know-all psychiatrists.

So "know-all" you is claiming to know more than know-all psychiatrists. As for the above, it will most certainly have happened somewhere at some time, but other than your determination to believe such in formation regarding Sheila has been deliberately hidden, there is nothing to indicate it. You make wild and sweeping statements regarding her "terrible temper" but those occasions on which we know of her anger, it was justified and not beyond reason. I don't recall that any family member  has hinted at such outbursts. You use ONE occasion on which she put her fist through glass to claim that she self harmed which smacks more of what you want her to have been than what she was.

[Caroline]

ALL my "28,000" ! posts have covered all that--------not my fault if you've been selective in your reading of them.

No they haven't.

[lookout]

No they haven't.

And-------------the usual one-liners from yourself  Yaaaaaawwwwwnnnnn.

[Caroline]

And-------------the usual one-liners from yourself  Yaaaaaawwwwwnnnnn.

What about them?

[sami]

proves what,how many men were involved and how many women in the 121 cases.it shows nearly half of the women shot themselfs in the head,so what

if she was so worried about her features ,why didnt she cut her wrists or take an overdose or hanged her self.far more likely any woman would do the 3 above ,over shooting herself,common sense david.try using it sometime

[Caroline]

if she was so worried about her features ,why didnt she cut her wrists or take an overdose or hanged her self.far more likely any woman would do the 3 above ,over shooting herself,common sense david.try using it sometime

Or just shoot herself in the mouth, it wouldn't have impacted on her face.

[sami]

Or just shoot herself in the mouth, it wouldn't have impacted on her face.

exactly caroline after all the one to the chin went through the mouth anyway

[Steve_uk]

exactly caroline after all the one to the chin went through the mouth anyway

The second shot is the giveaway really.

[sami]

what i cant understand is why after shooting herself in the neck from a 45d angle ,she would than choose to put the rifle between her legs and aim under the chin,why not continue with another neck shot at the same angle why change it,maybe she knew she only had one bullet left

[Jane]

what i cant understand is why after shooting herself in the neck from a 45d angle ,she would than choose to put the rifle between her legs and aim under the chin,why not continue with another neck shot at the same angle why change it,maybe she knew she only had one bullet left

Moving her head in to position would have been an effort of will with a shattered spine.

[sami]

Moving her head in to position would have been an effort of will with a shattered spine.

yes i see what you mean jane ,good point

[lookout]

Moving her head in to position would have been an effort of will with a shattered spine.

No it wouldn't !