Is it normal for a hitman to use his victims guns and ammo?

[mike tesko]

So, why isn't there an officers report re the shooting in the main bedroom?

Also, another officers report about the shooting in the children's bedroom?

[bob]

So, why isn't there an officers report re the shooting in the main bedroom?

Also, another officers report about the shooting in the children's bedroom?

Surely there must be lots of reports about both of these?

[mike tesko]

So, why isn't there an officers report re the shooting in the main bedroom?

Also, another officers report about the shooting in the children's bedroom?

Surely there must be lots of reports about both of these?

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Where?

[Roch]

Not one of the members of the raid team has gone public to deny that two bodies were found or only one body found when they first got into the kitchen at whf...

Now isn't that suprising?

But why would they?

They've been named.  If they remain quiet, it could be interpreted as 'not refuting' that there were two bodies found upon entry.  If they come out and refute it... they run the possible risk of eventually being exposed as liars.  If they come out and confirm it, the whole damn thing comes crashing down like a house of cards.  High stakes at play here?  Prob better for them to see how the chips fall?  But if the chips fall in Bamber's favour... and they haven't spoke out...

[shonapugs]

If Sheila was found in the kitchen, possibly stunned by the first shot, would police officers have stepped over her and not remove her gun and make it safe?

[shonapugs]

Possibly the wrong thread, but hey ho. JM was obviously a complex and devious character for one so young - a proven liar and thief, a bit of an "Alex Forrest", but she had a lot of inside information, and, under cross-examination, never once wavered. She ultimately had her whole life to lose - why didn't she crumble and admit that she was stitching JB up? I presume that "perjury" was explained to her.

[shonapugs]

Was it "the norm" for JB to fully load a gun then leave it in an obvious place? Which is what he did. This doesn't make sense. There were small children in the house, so that would be crazy. If he was worried about rabbits, wouldn't he have taken the gun with him on his way home and potted some shots? If it was harvest time, rabbits wouldn't be a problem, anyway. Rabbits don't eat standing corn. Why did he leave a fully loaded gun in an accessible place?

[chochokeira]

So, why isn't there an officers report re the shooting in the main bedroom?

Also, another officers report about the shooting in the children's bedroom?

Good point, Mike, +1 !

[shonapugs]

And, much as I love choch, jackie and andrea, this is why I can't take this forum seriously any more. It's just a love-fest. I have put forward some serious points, but they have been ignored. All I see is "plus one for you" and we are getting no nearer to the truth. Stop bigging up JB, when it is quite feasible that he was responsible. Take your blinkers off.

[Jerry]

There is nothing to say Sheila was left lying, apparently dead, with a rifle across her chest and in the kitchen!  As Mike says, the initial wound could have been been sustained quite a lot earlier - what is certain, is that this first shot did NOT kill her - it merely stunned her.

I wonder what you would be like with a .22 round fired into your neck. would you be groaning in agony or silent as a mouse?   

Can I just clariy this ridiculous theory of Jeremy talking about buying a porche - he did NOT say he was buying a porche he spoke about a sports car kit - don't forget, that at that point, he would not have known his family had been wiped out.

First of all it is not a theory, it is a fact.  It matters little if it was a Porsche or a Porsche look-a-like kit car, the point is he had little empathy for his doomed family at that point.

Jeremy was at that point in his life, young, naive, stupid, conceited, selfish, but all that does not make him guilty.

It most certainly provides a motive though.


+1 Shona.  I like the love fest-bit above.

[Jerry]

Was it "the norm" for JB to fully load a gun then leave it in an obvious place? Which is what he did. This doesn't make sense. There were small children in the house, so that would be crazy. If he was worried about rabbits, wouldn't he have taken the gun with him on his way home and potted some shots? If it was harvest time, rabbits wouldn't be a problem, anyway. Rabbits don't eat standing corn. Why did he leave a fully loaded gun in an accessible place?

Part of the plan I surmise.

[vidvic]

Totally agree Jerry. The Jury didn't believe it either.

If JB always shot rabbits, everytime he saw them out the kitchen window, a) he'd have spent all day doing it, and b) it was a bit bloody dangerous in a wall surrounded farm yard.

All without sights......

And then leaves a loaded rifle in the kitchen with two 6 year olds in the house.......

[chochokeira]

And, much as I love choch, jackie and andrea, this is why I can't take this forum seriously any more. It's just a love-fest. I have put forward some serious points, but they have been ignored. All I see is "plus one for you" and we are getting no nearer to the truth. Stop bigging up JB, when it is quite feasible that he was responsible. Take your blinkers off.

+1 Shona xxx 

[tyler]

I used to wonder about the hitman theory,but definately would have thought that Jeremy would have had a good alibi.I will probably get slated for this,but I have never been totally convinced by Macdonalds or Collins alibis.With regard to Macdonald - his alibi was that he spent the night with a girlfriend.I know that I have got out of bed on many occasions,maybe drove myself to Tesco for some goodies,got back into bed a couple of hours later only to find hubby snoring away totally oblivious.He would  innocently swear to anyone that Id been in bed all night.Collins disappeared just before the murders and returned just after.His alibi was a passport stamp to (I think)Greece?If anyone remembers,back in the 80's,you could actually buy a driving license if you knew the right people,so Im sure a passport stamp could just as easily have been aquired.And after the murders,he seemingly disapperared without trace!

[mike tesko]

I used to wonder about the hitman theory,but definately would have thought that Jeremy would have had a good alibi.I will probably get slated for this,but I have never been totally convinced by Macdonalds or Collins alibis.With regard to Macdonald - his alibi was that he spent the night with a girlfriend.I know that I have got out of bed on many occasions,maybe drove myself to Tesco for some goodies,got back into bed a couple of hours later only to find hubby snoring away totally oblivious.He would  innocently swear to anyone that Id been in bed all night.Collins disappeared just before the murders and returned just after.His alibi was a passport stamp to (I think)Greece?If anyone remembers,back in the 80's,you could actually buy a driving license if you knew the right people,so Im sure a passport stamp could just as easily have been aquired.And after the murders,he seemingly disapperared without trace!

... Collins alibi was vouchsafed by two women, daughter and mother, who spent night of shootings in a hotel, also verified by hotel register, and staff...