Is it normal for a hitman to use his victims guns and ammo?

[paulg]

Not one of the members of the raid team has gone public to deny that two bodies were found or only one body found when they first got into the kitchen at whf...

Now isn't that suprising?

But why would they?

[shonapugs]

It is possible that the first officer to see Ralph saw thin legs and longish hair, flopped forwards, and presumed that it was a female body.

[Jerry]

Exactly, there was no mystery so no need to disclose anything.

[Jerry]

It is possible that the first officer to see Ralph saw thin legs and longish hair, flopped forwards, and presumed that it was a female body.

I think we can be assured that in all the confusion the police were running around like scared rabbits and Jeremy did little to avert their fears of being shot when he told them that there were several guns lying around in the farmhouse.

Remember Shona, it is remarkable that while all this was going on Jeremy was telling police about his new Porsche which he hoped to buy.  Surreal wasn't it?

[shonapugs]

It's also possible that, if JB hired a hitman, he could have left strategically placed, loaded guns for him to use. JB did load at least one gun, didn't he, and left it out?

[bob]

It is generally accepted that the shooter was either Jeremy or Sheila.  It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.

So, if Sheila died almost instantly, and Jeremy was the killer, who were the police talking to (while Jeremy was stood next to them)??

How do you explain Jeremy being in constant sight (and conversation) with the police outside WHF while reportings of movement within the house were made? 

I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............


Correct - sorry, was a typo - 2+1 = 3 anyway!

If Sheila died of a fatal last shot, how possible is it that she could bleed for so long (some 7 hours or so)?

Given the above points -

'It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.'

'I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............'

If you were to start on 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs do you beleive Sheila had already shot herself at this point in time i.e non fatal injury or do you beleive Sheila was buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

It was 1 male and 1 female downstairs.

...... and in your opinion had Sheila been shot at this time or was she buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

My view is that Sheila was unlikely to have been in any fit state of mind to 'play dead'.  I think she shot herself in the kitchen, was found stunned (hence the report of 2 dead bodies being found in the kitchen on entry), whereafter she was able to get herself back upstairs (through the kitchen stairs), and then kill herself with a final shot, upstairs.

How else can it be explained away that (a) a male and a female body found on entry, in the kitchen (b) then 1 male body in the kitchen and (c) 2 female bodies upstairs......

So what was it? 2 bodies or 1 body in the kitchen?

1 body in kitchen, with confusing radio messages.

If, as the far fetched conspiracy theory people would have me believe, Sheila is lying in kitchen with gun shot wound, and one must presume the gun. The police would have checked for pulse, as she's described as a body. But she's not really dead, she's tricking them. Once the police have left the kitchen, she sprints upstairs with the gun the police left her, and shoots herself again. All this was done whilst plugging first wound, as she didn't want the blood to trail down her front........brilliant.

Quite. It is inconceivable that the police would leave a woman's body on the floor holding a rifle and then all wander upstairs without checking it out first - especially when they were pre-warned that the shooter was a female matching the appearance of the gun-toting body!

[mike tesko]

It is generally accepted that the shooter was either Jeremy or Sheila.  It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.

So, if Sheila died almost instantly, and Jeremy was the killer, who were the police talking to (while Jeremy was stood next to them)??

How do you explain Jeremy being in constant sight (and conversation) with the police outside WHF while reportings of movement within the house were made? 

I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............


Correct - sorry, was a typo - 2+1 = 3 anyway!

If Sheila died of a fatal last shot, how possible is it that she could bleed for so long (some 7 hours or so)?

Given the above points -

'It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.'

'I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............'

If you were to start on 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs do you beleive Sheila had already shot herself at this point in time i.e non fatal injury or do you beleive Sheila was buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

It was 1 male and 1 female downstairs.

...... and in your opinion had Sheila been shot at this time or was she buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

My view is that Sheila was unlikely to have been in any fit state of mind to 'play dead'.  I think she shot herself in the kitchen, was found stunned (hence the report of 2 dead bodies being found in the kitchen on entry), whereafter she was able to get herself back upstairs (through the kitchen stairs), and then kill herself with a final shot, upstairs.

How else can it be explained away that (a) a male and a female body found on entry, in the kitchen (b) then 1 male body in the kitchen and (c) 2 female bodies upstairs......

So what was it? 2 bodies or 1 body in the kitchen?

1 body in kitchen, with confusing radio messages.

If, as the far fetched conspiracy theory people would have me believe, Sheila is lying in kitchen with gun shot wound, and one must presume the gun. The police would have checked for pulse, as she's described as a body. But she's not really dead, she's tricking them. Once the police have left the kitchen, she sprints upstairs with the gun the police left her, and shoots herself again. All this was done whilst plugging first wound, as she didn't want the blood to trail down her front........brilliant.

Quite. It is inconceivable that the police would leave a woman's body on the floor holding a rifle and then all wander upstairs without checking it out first - especially when they were pre-warned that the shooter was a female matching the appearance of the gun-toting body!

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Police found the body of a dead male and the body of a dead female upon entry into the kitchen, that's two bodies, not one...

Now linked to this, is the undisclosed officers report concerning the shooting incident downtairs in the kitchen...

[bob]

Now linked to this, is the undisclosed officers report concerning the shooting incident downtairs in the kitchen...

Where is the evidence of this undisclosed officers report Mike?

[shonapugs]

Have you seen this report,  Mike?

[mike tesko]

Now linked to this, is the undisclosed officers report concerning the shooting incident downtairs in the kitchen...

Where is the evidence of this undisclosed officers report Mike?

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I'll find the link, or post it...

[mike tesko]

Have you seen this report,  Mike?

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No, I have not seen the report, only a reference to it...

[bob]

Now linked to this, is the undisclosed officers report concerning the shooting incident downtairs in the kitchen...

Where is the evidence of this undisclosed officers report Mike?

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I'll find the link, or post it...

I hope you can - it would be extremely interesting...

[TLW1966]

There is nothing to say Sheila was left lying, apparently dead, with a rifle across her chest and in the kitchen!  As Mike says, the initial wound could have been been sustained quite a lot earlier - what is certain, is that this first shot did NOT kill her - it merely stunned her.

There has been a lot of debate around the original wound having clotted over.  I don't know for sure whether there were in fact 2 bodies in the kitchen - all I can refer to is the police report of 2 bodies in the kitchen.  There is absolutely no way 1 body could be mistaken for 2 bodies.  The recording of the 2 bodies clearly states '1 male and 1 female'.

Also, don't forget that the police did NOT initially treat the scene as a murder scene, which is why there was such great contamination of evidence.

Can I just clariy this ridiculous theory of Jeremy talking about buying a porche - he did NOT say he was buying a porche he spoke about a sports car kit - don't forget, that at that point, he would not have known his family had been wiped out.

Jeremy was at that point in his life, young, naive, stupid, conceited, selfish, but all that does not make him guilty.

[mike tesko]

Now linked to this, is the undisclosed officers report concerning the shooting incident downtairs in the kitchen...

Where is the evidence of this undisclosed officers report Mike?

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I'll find the link, or post it...

I hope you can - it would be extremely interesting...

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here is the link and the reference to the officers report re shooting in kitchen (1612) that I have been speaking about:-

[bob]

Now linked to this, is the undisclosed officers report concerning the shooting incident downtairs in the kitchen...

Where is the evidence of this undisclosed officers report Mike?

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I'll find the link, or post it...

I hope you can - it would be extremely interesting...

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here is the link and the reference to the officers report that I have been speaking about:-

Surely that could just be referring to the forensic analysis of the shooting of Nevill in the kitchen, Mike?