Is it normal for a hitman to use his victims guns and ammo?

[HMEssex]

It is generally accepted that the shooter was either Jeremy or Sheila.  It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.

So, if Sheila died almost instantly, and Jeremy was the killer, who were the police talking to (while Jeremy was stood next to them)??

How do you explain Jeremy being in constant sight (and conversation) with the police outside WHF while reportings of movement within the house were made? 

I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............


If Sheila died of a fatal last shot, how possible is it that she could bleed for so long (some 7 hours or so)?

Given the above points -

'It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.'

'I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............'

If you were to start on 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs do you beleive Sheila had already shot herself at this point in time i.e non fatal injury or do you beleive Sheila was buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

It was 1 male and 1 female downstairs.

[curiousessex]

It is generally accepted that the shooter was either Jeremy or Sheila.  It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.

So, if Sheila died almost instantly, and Jeremy was the killer, who were the police talking to (while Jeremy was stood next to them)??

How do you explain Jeremy being in constant sight (and conversation) with the police outside WHF while reportings of movement within the house were made? 

I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............


If Sheila died of a fatal last shot, how possible is it that she could bleed for so long (some 7 hours or so)?

Given the above points -

'It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.'

'I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............'

If you were to start on 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs do you beleive Sheila had already shot herself at this point in time i.e non fatal injury or do you beleive Sheila was buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

It was 1 male and 1 female downstairs.

Good clarification..... but had Sheila been shot at this time or was she buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

[TLW1966]

It is generally accepted that the shooter was either Jeremy or Sheila.  It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.

So, if Sheila died almost instantly, and Jeremy was the killer, who were the police talking to (while Jeremy was stood next to them)??

How do you explain Jeremy being in constant sight (and conversation) with the police outside WHF while reportings of movement within the house were made? 

I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............


Correct - sorry, was a typo - 2+1 = 3 anyway!

If Sheila died of a fatal last shot, how possible is it that she could bleed for so long (some 7 hours or so)?

Given the above points -

'It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.'

'I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............'

If you were to start on 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs do you beleive Sheila had already shot herself at this point in time i.e non fatal injury or do you beleive Sheila was buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

It was 1 male and 1 female downstairs.

[curiousessex]

It is generally accepted that the shooter was either Jeremy or Sheila.  It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.

So, if Sheila died almost instantly, and Jeremy was the killer, who were the police talking to (while Jeremy was stood next to them)??

How do you explain Jeremy being in constant sight (and conversation) with the police outside WHF while reportings of movement within the house were made? 

I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............


Correct - sorry, was a typo - 2+1 = 3 anyway!

If Sheila died of a fatal last shot, how possible is it that she could bleed for so long (some 7 hours or so)?

Given the above points -

'It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.'

'I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............'

If you were to start on 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs do you beleive Sheila had already shot herself at this point in time i.e non fatal injury or do you beleive Sheila was buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

It was 1 male and 1 female downstairs.

...... and in your opinion had Sheila been shot at this time or was she buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

[TLW1966]

It is generally accepted that the shooter was either Jeremy or Sheila.  It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.

So, if Sheila died almost instantly, and Jeremy was the killer, who were the police talking to (while Jeremy was stood next to them)??

How do you explain Jeremy being in constant sight (and conversation) with the police outside WHF while reportings of movement within the house were made? 

I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............


Correct - sorry, was a typo - 2+1 = 3 anyway!

If Sheila died of a fatal last shot, how possible is it that she could bleed for so long (some 7 hours or so)?

Given the above points -

'It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.'

'I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............'

If you were to start on 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs do you beleive Sheila had already shot herself at this point in time i.e non fatal injury or do you beleive Sheila was buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

It was 1 male and 1 female downstairs.

...... and in your opinion had Sheila been shot at this time or was she buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

My view is that Sheila was unlikely to have been in any fit state of mind to 'play dead'.  I think she shot herself in the kitchen, was found stunned (hence the report of 2 dead bodies being found in the kitchen on entry), whereafter she was able to get herself back upstairs (through the kitchen stairs), and then kill herself with a final shot, upstairs.

How else can it be explained away that (a) a male and a female body found on entry, in the kitchen (b) then 1 male body in the kitchen and (c) 2 female bodies upstairs......

So what was it? 2 bodies or 1 body in the kitchen?

[Jerry]

These points have been discussed over and over on this forum.

Was Sheila still modelling at this time?  Don't think so.

The police burned the carpets.

Pure semantics.  Sheila was model material and she kept herself in fine trim.

Yes, the police burned the carpets after having been pressurised by Jeremy to do so.  Why was he so keen to have them removed?

[TLW1966]

These points have been discussed over and over on this forum.

Was Sheila still modelling at this time?  Don't think so.

The police burned the carpets.

Pure semantics.  Sheila was model material and she kept herself in fine trim.


Yes, the police burned the carpets after having been pressurised by Jeremy to do so.  Why was he so keen to have them removed?

I'm not convinced Jeremy put any pressure on the police to burn carpets - how do you substantiate that?  As for Model Material......have you ever seen Kate Moss when she's not 'working'?  Sheila had modelled professionally, but I think the tabloids exagerated the  'top' model
 label.

[mike tesko]

These points have been discussed over and over on this forum.

Was Sheila still modelling at this time?  Don't think so.

The police burned the carpets.

Pure semantics.  Sheila was model material and she kept herself in fine trim.

Yes, the police burned the carpets after having been pressurised by Jeremy to do so.  Why was he so keen to have them removed?

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Well, I think you have got that wrong, because Ann Eaton complained to the police that she and the family really ought not to have to be left to clean up all the mess, and as a result the police got Jeremy to write out and sign an authorization - but Ann and the other relatives had the key to the house which was given to them by the police...

[paulg]

It is generally accepted that the shooter was either Jeremy or Sheila.  It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.

So, if Sheila died almost instantly, and Jeremy was the killer, who were the police talking to (while Jeremy was stood next to them)??

How do you explain Jeremy being in constant sight (and conversation) with the police outside WHF while reportings of movement within the house were made? 

I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............


Correct - sorry, was a typo - 2+1 = 3 anyway!

If Sheila died of a fatal last shot, how possible is it that she could bleed for so long (some 7 hours or so)?

Given the above points -

'It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.'

'I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............'

If you were to start on 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs do you beleive Sheila had already shot herself at this point in time i.e non fatal injury or do you beleive Sheila was buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

It was 1 male and 1 female downstairs.

...... and in your opinion had Sheila been shot at this time or was she buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

My view is that Sheila was unlikely to have been in any fit state of mind to 'play dead'.  I think she shot herself in the kitchen, was found stunned (hence the report of 2 dead bodies being found in the kitchen on entry), whereafter she was able to get herself back upstairs (through the kitchen stairs), and then kill herself with a final shot, upstairs.

How else can it be explained away that (a) a male and a female body found on entry, in the kitchen (b) then 1 male body in the kitchen and (c) 2 female bodies upstairs......

So what was it? 2 bodies or 1 body in the kitchen?

1 body in kitchen, with confusing radio messages.

If, as the far fetched conspiracy theory people would have me believe, Sheila is lying in kitchen with gun shot wound, and one must presume the gun. The police would have checked for pulse, as she's described as a body. But she's not really dead, she's tricking them. Once the police have left the kitchen, she sprints upstairs with the gun the police left her, and shoots herself again. All this was done whilst plugging first wound, as she didn't want the blood to trail down her front........brilliant.

[Jerry]

1 body in kitchen, with confusing radio messages.

If, as the far fetched conspiracy theory people would have me believe, Sheila is lying in kitchen with gun shot wound, and one must presume the gun. The police would have checked for pulse, as she's described as a body. But she's not really dead, she's tricking them. Once the police have left the kitchen, she sprints upstairs with the gun the police left her, and shoots herself again. All this was done whilst plugging first wound, as she didn't want the blood to trail down her front........brilliant.

It doesn't really hold water does it Paul?  More like a leaky pail.

[Jerry]

These points have been discussed over and over on this forum.

Was Sheila still modelling at this time?  Don't think so.

The police burned the carpets.

Pure semantics.  Sheila was model material and she kept herself in fine trim.

Yes, the police burned the carpets after having been pressurised by Jeremy to do so.  Why was he so keen to have them removed?

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Well, I think you have got that wrong, because Ann Eaton complained to the police that she and the family really ought not to have to be left to clean up all the mess, and as a result the police got Jeremy to write out and sign an authorization - but Ann and the other relatives had the key to the house which was given to them by the police...

Oh I see, Ann had Jeremy request the police to remove them.  It all makes sense now.

[paulg]

1 body in kitchen, with confusing radio messages.

If, as the far fetched conspiracy theory people would have me believe, Sheila is lying in kitchen with gun shot wound, and one must presume the gun. The police would have checked for pulse, as she's described as a body. But she's not really dead, she's tricking them. Once the police have left the kitchen, she sprints upstairs with the gun the police left her, and shoots herself again. All this was done whilst plugging first wound, as she didn't want the blood to trail down her front........brilliant.

It doesn't really hold water does it Paul?  More like a leaky pail.

I'd prefer an argument with Sheila as the killer, if both shots to herself are done in the bedroom.

[HMEssex]

It is generally accepted that the shooter was either Jeremy or Sheila.  It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.

So, if Sheila died almost instantly, and Jeremy was the killer, who were the police talking to (while Jeremy was stood next to them)??

How do you explain Jeremy being in constant sight (and conversation) with the police outside WHF while reportings of movement within the house were made? 

I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............


Correct - sorry, was a typo - 2+1 = 3 anyway!

If Sheila died of a fatal last shot, how possible is it that she could bleed for so long (some 7 hours or so)?

Given the above points -

'It is also accepted the the last bullet would Sheila sustained killed her.'

'I won't even start on reports of 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs............'

If you were to start on 2 bodies, 2 male 1 female, downstairs do you beleive Sheila had already shot herself at this point in time i.e non fatal injury or do you beleive Sheila was buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

It was 1 male and 1 female downstairs.

...... and in your opinion had Sheila been shot at this time or was she buying time and effectively playing dead because she realised the Police were outside?

My view is that Sheila was unlikely to have been in any fit state of mind to 'play dead'.  I think she shot herself in the kitchen, was found stunned (hence the report of 2 dead bodies being found in the kitchen on entry), whereafter she was able to get herself back upstairs (through the kitchen stairs), and then kill herself with a final shot, upstairs.

How else can it be explained away that (a) a male and a female body found on entry, in the kitchen (b) then 1 male body in the kitchen and (c) 2 female bodies upstairs......

So what was it? 2 bodies or 1 body in the kitchen?

1 body in kitchen, with confusing radio messages.

If, as the far fetched conspiracy theory people would have me believe, Sheila is lying in kitchen with gun shot wound, and one must presume the gun. The police would have checked for pulse, as she's described as a body. But she's not really dead, she's tricking them. Once the police have left the kitchen, she sprints upstairs with the gun the police left her, and shoots herself again. All this was done whilst plugging first wound, as she didn't want the blood to trail down her front........brilliant.

She wasn't 'tricking' them.  No doubt she would have been stunned/fainted with the shock.  The pathologist said first shot wouldn't have killed her.  The second shot upstairs did.

[mike tesko]

1 body in kitchen, with confusing radio messages.

If, as the far fetched conspiracy theory people would have me believe, Sheila is lying in kitchen with gun shot wound, and one must presume the gun. The police would have checked for pulse, as she's described as a body. But she's not really dead, she's tricking them. Once the police have left the kitchen, she sprints upstairs with the gun the police left her, and shoots herself again. All this was done whilst plugging first wound, as she didn't want the blood to trail down her front........brilliant.

It doesn't really hold water does it Paul?  More like a leaky pail.

I'd prefer an argument with Sheila as the killer, if both shots to herself are done in the bedroom.

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No-one is suggesting it all happened as fast as you have put it, it would all have happened over a 30 - 35 minute period...

[mike tesko]

Not one of the members of the raid team has gone public to deny that two bodies were found or only one body found when they first got into the kitchen at whf...

Now isn't that suprising?