One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..

[mike tesko]

How about Nevill ringing Bamber after Sheila starts shooting the twins ?

He didn't...

Neville Bamber was not even present in the farmhouse when Sheila shot her children and mother dead, in their beds...

[mike tesko]

Thanks Mike.

Did Jeremy not notice Sheila was barking, howling & whining like a dog as well as mimicking & communicating with Crispy ? Or did no one tell him ?

Maybe the CT should make a public request to EP & to supporters for disclosure & financial donations.  To have the audio of the open phone line released. So they can hire an expert to see if the dog barking was Sheila rather than Crispy. Or you could make a Youtube video. That is if the audio is available.

Well, from what Jeremy told me it becomes clear that he made a very telling observation to PS Bews, and PC Myall, when they went on a recce' of his parents farmhouse!

He commented, 'now that's strange, that my father isn't investigating the dogs barking' or words to that / this effect...

Well, maybe it wasn't the dog barking, maybe it was Sheila Mimicking the dogs!

[mike tesko]

It seems somewhat obvious that the only Audio sounds coming from within the farmhouse, were static of the telephone off its hook, and an engaged tone at 5.55am - and several references to what has been described, as 'a dog barking'...

Now, forgive me for pointing this out, but the sound of a dog barking, seems to me, to be high in priority as to the reason why the firearms team did not try a forced entry into the farmhouse, any sooner than 7.30am!

How, therefore, can anyone say otherwise with a degree of certainty that the question of who was barking, was never in any doubt? Who can say the only creature barking was the dog?

Seems to me that the barking as though made by a dog was one of the principle reasons for why police did not try to force entry to the farmhouse any sooner!  This was linked to the show of the anshuzt rifle at the box room window at about 7.15am...Dog stops barking, rifle put on display at first floor box room window, firearms officers force entry into the premises!

[mike tesko]

It seems somewhat obvious that the only Audio sounds coming from within the farmhouse, were static of the telephone off its hook, and an engaged tone at 5.55am - and several references to what has been described, as 'a dog barking'...

Now, forgive me for pointing this out, but the sound of a dog barking, seems to me, to be high in priority as to the reason why the firearms team did not try a forced entry into the farmhouse, any sooner than 7.30am!

How, therefore, can anyone say otherwise with a degree of certainty that the question of who was barking, was never in any doubt? Who can say the only creature barking was the dog?

Seems to me that the barking as though made by a dog was one of the principle reasons for why police did not try to force entry to the farmhouse any sooner!  This was linked to the show of the anshuzt rifle at the box room window at about 7.15am...

Dog stops barking, rifle put on display at first floor box room window, firearms officers force entry into the premises!

Sheila is the female supposedly shot and killed downstairs in the region of the kitchen, her body wasn't upstairs by 08.10am...

At no stage after the firearms team forced their way into the premises was the dog heard to bark at all, it was eventually cowering underneath the bed that the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila were both resting upon between 8.44am and 9.12am...

For those of you who insist that when the police surgeon, Dr Craig, pronounced Sheila as being dead at 8.44am, his reference to her body being on the far side of the bed, actually was reference to her body already being upon the bedroom floor beyond the bed, bear this in mind - if that be true, who moved Sheila's body onto the bed from the floor in time for DS Jones and DC Clark to witness the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell' laid on top of the bed side by side at about 9.05am, with the rifle resting on the bed in between both bodies, and with a Bible resting atop Sheila Caffell's chest?

Why would the police move Sheila's body from the bedroom floor after 8.44am, and place her body on top of the bed beside the body of June Bamber by 9.05am, and then remove her body back onto the bedroom floor in time for PC bird to capture her body there on the bedroom floor in possession of the rifle by 11.00am?

Bodies were being moved about like musical chairs, and the rifle, oh and the Bible too!

Poor old 'Crispy' hid beneath the bed out of the way, probably fearing that the cops might want to shoot him too..

Then along came Ron Cook, who rather than shoot him to death, locked the poor little critter in a wardrobe, caged like a common criminal - maybe the cops suspected 'Crispy' of having something to do with the happenings during the week small hours of that morning, he was put in the doghouse, as good as convicted with four legs to stand upon, a possible accomplice, senior officers must have seriously been considering putting some of the blame upon poor old 'Crispy', if he'd been a gun dog his number would have been up!

[mike tesko]

Sheila is the female supposedly shot and killed downstairs in the region of the kitchen, her body wasn't upstairs by 08.10am...

At no stage after the firearms team forced their way into the premises was the dog heard to bark at all, it was eventually cowering underneath the bed that the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila were both resting upon between 8.44am and 9.12am...

For those of you who insist that when the police surgeon, Dr Craig, pronounced Sheila as being dead at 8.44am, his reference to her body being on the far side of the bed, actually was reference to her body already being upon the bedroom floor beyond the bed, bear this in mind - if that be true, who moved Sheila's body onto the bed from the floor in time for DS Jones and DC Clark to witness the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell' laid on top of the bed side by side at about 9.05am, with the rifle resting on the bed in between both bodies, and with a Bible resting atop Sheila Caffell's chest?

Why would the police move Sheila's body from the bedroom floor after 8.44am, and place her body on top of the bed beside the body of June Bamber by 9.05am, and then remove her body back onto the bedroom floor in time for PC bird to capture her body there on the bedroom floor in possession of the rifle by 11.00am?

Bodies were being moved about like musical chairs, and the rifle, oh and the Bible too!

Poor old 'Crispy' hid beneath the bed out of the way, probably fearing that the cops might want to shoot him too..

Then along came Ron Cook, who rather than shoot him to death, locked the poor little critter in a wardrobe, caged like a common criminal - maybe the cops suspected 'Crispy' of having something to do with the happenings during the week small hours of that morning, he was put in the doghouse, as good as convicted with four legs to stand upon, a possible accomplice, senior officers must have seriously been considering putting some of the blame upon poor old 'Crispy', if he'd been a gun dog his number would have been up!

It was a good job that 'Crispy' was a shih Tzu, or the cops would have probably nailed him for something or other..

[mike tesko]

None of the witnesses who claim to have heard what appeared to be a dog that was barking inside the farmhouse, have attested to that fact, as though what they heard was the whimperings, the whinings, the barking or the howling of 'Crispy' the dog, as opposed to it being a case of 'Sheila Caffell' Mimicking the family dog!

[mike tesko]

None of the witnesses who claim to have heard what appeared to be a dog that was barking inside the farmhouse, have attested to that fact, as though what they heard was the whimperings, the whinings, the barking or the howling of 'Crispy' the dog, as opposed to it being a case of 'Sheila Caffell' Mimicking the family dog!

If it was 'Crispy' the shih Tzu dog making all of this / that commotion, rather than a mixture of 'CRISPY' and 'Sheila Caffell', then 'that dog' had an awful lot of influence, which arguably altered the course of history in this case!!

[mike tesko]

Since 'Crispy' the shih Tzu house dog was found cowering beneath the bed upon which the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell's bodies were laying by 9.05am, to enable Stan Jones and Mick Clark to confirm the position and location of these two victims at that precise moment in time, and it took until after 10.00am when the 2nd team of SOCO, compromising of DI Cook, DS Davidson, DC Hammersley, and PC Bird, to locate the dog, it beggars belief why 'none of the firearms team' made any mention of the dog barking again, once they decided to force their way into the farmhouse?

I just can't understand, why the barking, howling, whining of a dog, kept the police at arm's length and beyond for Almost 4 hours , and yet no sooner does the rifle appear at the first floor window, and the six man raid team force their way into the farmhouse, that 'CRISPY' the shih Tzu house dog (or Sheila and the dog) were stunned into perfect silence, and that this coincided with the report that there were in fact two bodies in the kitchen, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female?

But where was 'CRISPY' the shih Tzu house dog at this time?

Was he downstairs, or upstairs?

Why is it that the only telephone that was supposedly working inside the farmhouse, was the ivory coloured round finger dial phone in the kitchen, and 'Crispy' was found at 10.00am, cowering beneath the bed, in a totally different part of the farmhouse? Maybe, he came down to the kitchen and barked responses  into the handset of the kitchen phone from 6.09am until about 7.30am, before dashing back upstairs in between these communication episodes between himself and the police, or vice versa to conceal himself under the bed?

Or...

Could it be that between 5.25am and about 7.00am, that it was Sheila who the police were engaged in a conversation with from inside the farmhouse? It was Sheila barking and howling like a dog, and it was Sheila who kept the firearms team at arm's length for almost 4 long hours?

Let's assume that the firearms team were engaged in a conversation with a person from inside the farmhouse at only 5.25am?

Note, that the reference is to 'a person' from inside the farmhouse, not to a shih Tzu house dog who was literally barking mad!

[Adam]

He didn't...

Neville Bamber was not even present in the farmhouse when Sheila shot her children and mother dead, in their beds...

Where was Nevill Mike ?

[lookout]

He was still finishing off in the fields-------remember after Jeremy left at appx 9.30 Nevill went back to work ??

[Adam]

Since 'Crispy' the shih Tzu house dog was found cowering beneath the bed upon which the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell's bodies were laying by 9.05am, to enable Stan Jones and Mick Clark to confirm the position and location of these two victims at that precise moment in time, and it took until after 10.00am when the 2nd team of SOCO, compromising of DI Cook, DS Davidson, DC Hammersley, and PC Bird, to locate the dog, it beggars belief why 'none of the firearms team' made any mention of the dog barking again, once they decided to force their way into the farmhouse?

I just can't understand, why the barking, howling, whining of a dog, kept the police at arm's length and beyond for Almost 4 hours , and yet no sooner does the rifle appear at the first floor window, and the six man raid team force their way into the farmhouse, that 'CRISPY' the shih Tzu house dog (or Sheila and the dog) were stunned into perfect silence, and that this coincided with the report that there were in fact two bodies in the kitchen, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female?

But where was 'CRISPY' the shih Tzu house dog at this time?

Was he downstairs, or upstairs?

Why is it that the only telephone that was supposedly working inside the farmhouse, was the ivory coloured round finger dial phone in the kitchen, and 'Crispy' was found at 10.00am, cowering beneath the bed, in a totally different part of the farmhouse? Maybe, he came down to the kitchen and barked responses  into the handset of the kitchen phone from 6.09am until about 7.30am, before dashing back upstairs in between these communication episodes between himself and the police, or vice versa to conceal himself under the bed?

Or...

Could it be that between 5.25am and about 7.00am, that it was Sheila who the police were engaged in a conversation with from inside the farmhouse? It was Sheila barking and howling like a dog, and it was Sheila who kept the firearms team at arm's length for almost 4 long hours?

Let's assume that the firearms team were engaged in a conversation with a person from inside the farmhouse at only 5.25am?

Note, that the reference is to 'a person' from inside the farmhouse, not to a shih Tzu house dog who was literally barking mad!

Why do you think Jeremy suggested Crispy fired the second shot Mike ? He instantly accepted the police saying Sheila could not have fired the second shot in the police interviews.

Had Jeremy previously been told that Sheila had received two neck shots. With his knowledge of the rifle, he may have known Sheila would have been too injured to fire the second shot ?

Therefore it could only be Crispy.

[Adam]

He was still finishing off in the fields-------remember after Jeremy left at appx 9.30 Nevill went back to work ??

Sheila opened fire at 9.30am ?

Did Nevill not notice June & the twins had been shot in their beds until 3.10am. Then phoned Jeremy ?

[lookout]

Sheila opened fire at 9.30am ?

Did Nevill not notice June & the twins had been shot in their beds until 3.10am. Then phoned Jeremy ?

I didn't say that " Sheila opened fire at 9.30 PM !!"

[Adam]

I didn't say that " Sheila opened fire at 9.30 PM !!"

I don't understand.

Mike is saying Nevill was not inside WHF when the shooting started. When I asked where Nevill was, you said harvesting at 9.30pm.

So I assummed the shooting started at 9.30pm.

[lookout]

I don't understand.

Mike is saying Nevill was not inside WHF when the shooting started. When I asked where Nevill was, you said harvesting at 9.30pm.

So I assummed the shooting started at 9.30pm.

To Assume ?--------That's making an ASS out of U and ME !! Get it ?

I said that Nevill continued farming after Jeremy had left. What Sheila was doing at that point we don't know------------not even YOU !!