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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2018, 04:19:PM »
Oh how I wish that this forum would not come out with stupid topics I have been through the Z theme
and the helicopters and all the bull in between.
Just when I thought that I had heard it all we find the ridiculous suggestion that Sheila was howling and barking to the police.
Utter RUBBISH.
Can I suggest that all stick to what we know and steer away from fantasy.

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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2018, 05:04:PM »
Z theme? What is that?

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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #62 on: April 19, 2018, 05:39:PM »
Z theme? What is that?

An anonymous 'informant' that Mike used to claim he was in touch with. 

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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #63 on: April 19, 2018, 06:25:PM »
An anonymous 'informant' that Mike used to claim he was in touch with.
[/quotan informant that I was in touch with,candidate I am still in touch with!
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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2018, 06:34:PM »
Oh how I wish that this forum would not come out with stupid topics I have been through the Z theme
and the helicopters and all the bull in between.
Just when I thought that I had heard it all we find the ridiculous suggestion that Sheila was howling and barking to the police.
Utter RUBBISH.
Can I suggest that all stick to what we know and steer away from fantasy.

Hang on a minute...

The only response that came from within the farmhouse during the entire seige, apart from lights in different rooms being switched on or off, and the changing state of the telephone at 5.55am which mysteriously became engaged from it being off the hook, and the decision to transfer the line via the 999 emergency system directly to the control room which was ongoing until 8.15am, was the fact that at various times a dog was heard to be barking, and the firearms officers were kept at bay because of all these factors until about 7.30am...

The barking therefore, was a significant feature in the decision not to storm the farmhouse!

It is a well established fact that people who suffer from mental illness, sometimes or often take on the mantle of an animal!

It's true, Sheila was barking, howling, and whining like a dog, wait and see!!!
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« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2018, 08:35:PM »
Oh how I wish that this forum would not come out with stupid topics I have been through the Z theme
and the helicopters and all the bull in between.
Just when I thought that I had heard it all we find the ridiculous suggestion that Sheila was howling and barking to the police.
Utter RUBBISH.
Can I suggest that all stick to what we know and steer away from fantasy.

How about Jeremy cycling through the fields on a woman’s bike in a scuba suit at two in the morning. Crawls through a window and murders five people while engineering to appear as a murder suicide. Fooling EP into believing it was just that. And it was all down to detective Boutflour who eventually saved the day.

How’s that for a stupid story?

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« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2018, 08:49:PM »
How about Jeremy cycling through the fields on a woman’s bike in a scuba suit at two in the morning. Crawls through a window and murders five people while engineering to appear as a murder suicide. Fooling EP into believing it was just that. And it was all down to detective Boutflour who eventually saved the day.

How’s that for a stupid story?

How about Nevill ringing Bamber after Sheila starts shooting the twins ?
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2018, 08:53:PM »
Hang on a minute...

The only response that came from within the farmhouse during the entire seige, apart from lights in different rooms being switched on or off, and the changing state of the telephone at 5.55am which mysteriously became engaged from it being off the hook, and the decision to transfer the line via the 999 emergency system directly to the control room which was ongoing until 8.15am, was the fact that at various times a dog was heard to be barking, and the firearms officers were kept at bay because of all these factors until about 7.30am...

The barking therefore, was a significant feature in the decision not to storm the farmhouse!

It is a well established fact that people who suffer from mental illness, sometimes or often take on the mantle of an animal!

It's true, Sheila was barking, howling, and whining like a dog, wait and see!!!

Thanks Mike. Why do you think Sheila chose to comminicate with the police by barking  like a dog ?
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2018, 08:57:PM »
How about Nevill ringing Bamber after Sheila starts shooting the twins ?

What if he didn't yet know that?  What if he was disorientated, having been suddenly woken by the incident? 

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« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2018, 09:15:PM »
What if he didn't yet know that?  What if he was disorientated, having been suddenly woken by the incident?

According to Jeremy’s version of events Nevill never mentioned any shots fired. Just going crazy. So there you go.

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« Reply #70 on: April 20, 2018, 07:45:AM »
Thanks Mike. Why do you think Sheila chose to comminicate with the police by barking  like a dog ?

I think the psychological pressure that was trapped within exploded with an insessent desire to bark, howl and whine like a dog, due to her inability to show any interest in her boys, or housework, and even her own personal heigiene, and the fact that she must have been made to feel like a dog, ordered about, here, there, and everywhere by her parents! If what Jeremy told us was true, for example, that her parents were telling Sheila that she needed help in bringing up the two children, there was talk of getting social services to help her, and even the possibility of arranging foster parents, as well as a suggestion that a short Holliday in a Bournemouth rest home would do her the world of good! Even on the last evening on this earth, she was summoned to the house phone by her mother at about 10.00am to speak with Pamela Boutflour!

I think Sheila's attitude at the time of this phone call just about summed up how fed up she had become at being ordered a round like a dog 'come and speak to Aunty Pamela' her mother beckoned..

Sheila's defiant mood started to shine through at such a late hour, since, according to Pamela Boutflours version of the events, Sheila hardly spoke a word throughout the entire conversation, other than the odd, 'yes', or 'no'. And at the death, apparently simply handed the telephones handset over to her mother without even saying 'goodnight, aunty Pam', as she was normally accustomed to saying!

The tell tale signs were all there that evening to suggest that things were going to come to a head!

For example, long before Pamela Boutflours call to June and Sheila that evening, June Bamber had missed her regular Tuesday evening Bible class! It was an important religious festive that day (6th August) 'THE TRANSFIGURATION OF GOD'. No-one has ever stopped to wonder, why June did not attend her regular Bible class meeting?

But...

There were things which were afoot in the Bamber household, that required that Sheila was not left alone inside the farmhouse in the state of mind she had been in, she had certainly been behaving oddly ever since she arrived at the farmhouse with her two children for a break from her normal routine! There had been the journey to the farmhouse in the car with Colin and the children, Sheila sat in complete silence throughout the entire journey! Of course, this type of silent treatment surfaced again during the phone call episode spoken about! But, there were two other events worthy of note, one was the fact that Sheila had verbally attacked an Electricity Board Officer who had attended at the farmhouse to take a meter reading, only for him to be confronted by a screaming, whaling, blabbering Sheila, who swore constantly at him, ordering him off her farm! Apparently this official became very frightened, and feared for his safety, the type of situation he normally encountered by family dogs! However, June stepped in to save the day, explaining to the official that he would have to excuse Sheila because she hadn't been taking her medication!

Well, of course, this was a turn up for the book, because by all accounts, it wasn't that Sheila had'nt been taking her medication, so much as it had been halved by her GP - Sheila was obviously effected by withdrawal symptoms related to that (Haloperidol) drug! What no-one talks about is the black eye that June Bamber got during that occasion of preventing Sheila from the possibility of physically attacking the official in question! That black eye and the Bamber Parents concern for Sheila's and the grandchildren well being, was the chief reason why June Bamber didn't attend her regular Bible class that Tuesday night! There were guns laid about in the farmhouse, and thousands of rounds of ammunition for a variety of different weapons! The parents must have felt that June had to miss her Bible class, therefore, for a number of different reasons, aforementioned!

It must have been somewhat traumatising for Sheila, to listen or to overhear her mother telling Pamela Boutflour that Sheila had gone upstairs to bed, and that she was going to bring Sheila and the boys around to Pam's for tea on the following day, so that Pam could have a look at Sheila, who according to June, was acting 'oddly'...

Alarm bells should have started to ring in June's mind regarding Sheila's odd behaviour as accounted by her to her sister during that last telephone call!

What exactly did June Bamber mean, by saying that Sheila was behaving oddly?

Well, believe it or not...

Sheila had been refusing to speak in a satisfactory way to either of her parents since she arrived at the farm on that last occasion! She hadn't spoken even to Jeremy! In fact, although June and Sheila were seen out and about in the local village shops with the children accompanying them, Sheila never spoke a word! Even on that last Tuesday afternoon, when Sheila and one of her boys and 'Crispy' the shih Tzu, had taken Jeremy some sandwiches to the field where Jeremy was busy harvesting, Sheila didn't speak - she just handed over the sandwiches and walked off.

The really odd thing what June Bamber had noticed was that a part from the abusive outburst involving the meter man, that Sheila had started to switch off communicating with other fellow human beings, not just strangers, but close members of her immediate family! June must have also noticed that whenever Sheila was in the presence of 'Crispy', how Sheila became somewhat transformed, as if she was in her own little world, and the oddest thing ever, was that Sheila had started to Mimicking the whimpering and whinings, and the barking made by Crispy! At first, Sheila only responded after 'Crispy' had made one of these sounds, so that in affect, if 'Crispy' whimpered, Sheila would make the exact same whimpering sound! If 'Crispy' whined, Sheila would then whine! If 'Crispy' barked or howled, Sheila would Mimicking every sound! However, June had noticed on that last Tuesday she would spend alive on this earth, that Sheila had started to instigate 'Crispy', to whimper, whine, bark or to howl - and the truly odd thing was, June noticed, was that 'Crispy' was reacting spontaneously to the noises Sheila was making, it was like Sheila and 'Crispy' were communicating with eachother using dog language!

That was what June Bamber was talking about, when she told her sister Pamela on the telephone that Tuesday night 'I want you to have a look at her, because she is behaving oddly!
« Last Edit: April 20, 2018, 07:55:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #71 on: April 20, 2018, 09:21:AM »
Thanks Mike.

Did Jeremy not notice Sheila was barking, howling & whining like a dog as well as mimicking & communicating with Crispy ? Or did no one tell him ?

Maybe the CT should make a public request to EP & to supporters for disclosure & financial donations.  To have the audio of the open phone line released. So they can hire an expert to see if the dog barking was Sheila rather than Crispy. Or you could make a Youtube video. That is if the audio is available.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2018, 09:24:AM by Adam »
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« Reply #72 on: April 20, 2018, 09:55:AM »
Thanks Mike.

Did Jeremy not notice Sheila was barking, howling & whining like a dog as well as mimicking & communicating with Crispy ? Or did no one tell him ?

Maybe the CT should make a public request to EP & to supporters for disclosure & financial donations.  To have the audio of the open phone line released. So they can hire an expert to see if the dog barking was Sheila rather than Crispy. Or you could make a Youtube video. That is if the audio is available.

There is a 'Message to Stephen Kavanagh - Chief Constable of Essex Police. April 2018' thread.

Why don't you ask him?
« Last Edit: April 20, 2018, 09:56:AM by Nigel »
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.

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« Reply #73 on: April 20, 2018, 10:14:AM »
Adam is too busy talking about posters to contact anyone outside of the forum !

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« Reply #74 on: April 20, 2018, 10:34:AM »
Adam is too busy talking about posters to contact anyone outside of the forum !

LOL, brilliant!
I slow down for a speeding police car, don't you?

6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.