One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..

[mike tesko]

Thanks. Has Jeremy ever commented on this version of events apart from the moonlight/movement at window which I have read about? Also was Sheila ever known to have made animal noises while having episodes before?

No, he hasn't commented directly on any of this, but it is very interesting that he should comment on the switching off of, and the switching on of various lights in different rooms of the farmhouse during the police seige - since,  this could only have been possible by human intervention, the house dog couldn't have performed these tasks!

Somebody was alive inside the farmhouse at a time when Jeremy Bamber was outside in the company of the police! He therefore, couldn't, have killed everyone and staged his sister's death scene in possession of the rifle on his parents bedroom floor - there are similarities in this case, with the case of Derek Bentley, in that in both instances Bentley and Jeremy Bamber were alibi'd by one police officer in Derek Bentley's case, but by several police officers in Jeremy's case!

I believe PS Bews recent account is a dishonest one, he knows they saw a person at the parents bedroom window, and he seeks to confuse the issue by making out that the window at which all the fuss is about, was the window top right, when the parents bedroom window was the window top left at the front of the farmhouse! Shouldn't a cop be able to tell his left from his right?

[Nigel]

BEWES was referring to the 'Box room' Window a type of corridor adjoining the 'Parents bedroom' and 'Twin's room"..hence "far right"

same window rifle seen by two separate police offices

Located '30 yards from house' see red arrow, behind wall.

yellow arrow 'Box room' referred to above.




They then moved to front of house hiding behind flower beds and saw further movement.

Said flower beds were slightly 'raised' in nature.

The Moon was on other side of house from 'yellow arrow' the night sky was 'clear'.

[Nigel]

The expression 'Trick of the light' was put in BEWES'S mouth under questioning by Jeremy's own defence lawyer!!

Great!

What a difference it would have made if JEREMY'S defence lawyer had said.

"But the Moon was on the other side of the house, and it was a clear night"!

[Roch]

The expression 'Trick of the light' was put in BEWES'S mouth under questioning by Jeremy's own defence lawyer!!

Great!

What a difference it would have made if JEREMY'S defence lawyer had said.

"But the Moon was on the other side of the house, and it was a clear night"!

Exactly. And I think Jeremy had to prompt Rivlin to even bring the matter up in the first place.

[David1819]

Exactly. And I think Jeremy had to prompt Rivlin to even bring the matter up in the first place.

Rivlin QC and Arlidge QC made a pre-trial agreement that the sound moderator and the scratch marks were a result of the murders.

In 2010 Jeremy wrote that this decision cost him 25 years of his life. He has written to both Rivlin and Arlidge about the issue but neither seem to do anything about it. 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2427.msg74650.html

[mike tesko]

BEWES was referring to the 'Box room' Window a type of corridor adjoining the 'Parents bedroom' and 'Twin's room"..hence "far right"

same window rifle seen by two separate police offices

Located '30 yards from house' see red arrow, behind wall.

yellow arrow 'Box room' referred to above.




They then moved to front of house hiding behind flower beds and saw further movement.

Said flower beds were slightly 'raised' in nature.

The Moon was on other side of house from 'yellow arrow' the night sky was 'clear'.

Confusion reigns, since Jeremy saw the silhouetted figure at his parents bedroom window (top left) at the front of the farmhouse, whereas, in Bews video clip account, he is referring to a window that is top right at the side of the house facing him at the time! If Bews was at the side of the farmhouse which has the courtyard and the back door to the premises, his top right window would be the box room - but when he got to the front of the farmhouse, his top right window would have been Sheila Caffell's bedroom!

The problem here, is that Jeremy has never mentioned to me, or anybody else as far as I know, that he saw somebody at either the box room window on one side of the farmhouse, or at his sister's bedroom window at the front the farmhouse! Bews has moved the sighting to a different window because he realised how important it was by the time the matter came to trial in October 1986, for Jeremy to have an alibi exonerating him from the crimes alleged against him! Since, if a police officer had said, 'yes' we believed that we saw someone who was still alive moving around inside the parents bedroom whilst Jeremy was alongside them in the grounds of the farmhouse, the case against Jeremy would have collapsed there and then!

If you added to that the fact that lights in different rooms of the farmhouse upstairs and downstairs were being switched on and off during the seige, and that the telephone inside the farmhouse had mysteriously become 'engaged' at 5.55am, which in turn became the equivalent of a '999' call from 6.09am, onwards..

Also..

That according to the contents of key and timed police radio log contents, that Sheila Caffell's body must have been the female body being spoken about as being present downstairs in the kitchen along with the body of Neville Bambers body, from 7.35am, onwards, a murder, and a suicide, by 7.45am, with a further three bodies upstairs by 8.10am...

There's more...

Sheila supposedly dead downstairs by a reliance upon several accounts (7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, and 7.45am), then pronounced as being dead by a police surgeon, Dr Craig, her body at this stage being described as being 'on the far side of the bed, upstairs in the parents bedroom with the rifle alongside her body, at 8.44am?

Yet more still...

By the time DS Jones and DC Clark visited the main bedroom crime scene at about 9.05am, the bodies of both Sheila and June Bamber were laid side by side on top of the bed, with the rifle resting on the bed in between both bodies! Rather more astonishingly, Sheila had a Bible resting on her chest at this time!

How then...

Did Sheila Caffell's body end up on the bedroom floor on the left of the bed, in possession of the anshuzt rifle, with the Bible now on the floor to the right hand side of her upper arm?

Could someone far more educated than I please try to explain to someone like me, exactly how Jeremy Bamber could have orchestrated any of this? Am I missing something? Is there something that one so lowly as I should know about?

The house dog, 'Crispy', could tell a better story than what amounted to the prosecution's case, by them portraying Jeremy as a mass murderer, who after allegedly killing off his sister, he proceeded to stage her death on the parents bedroom floor, as a suicide, suggestive that she had been responsible for the there four deaths, and at the death, her own...

If Rivlin had called the house dog, 'Crispy' to testify, it would have made more sense than that relied upon by the prosecution, Essex Police and the relatives...

Rivlin:- I am going to put it to you, in simple terms, 'did Sheila Caffell shoot herself dead upstairs on the bedroom floor'?

Response - 'whoof, whoof'...

Rivlin:- 'Now, I only require a simple answer to the following question, please tell us whether or not you were present in the main bedroom when Sheila received the second fatal shot'?

Response:- 'whoof'..

Rivlin:- ' were you, infact, hiding underneath the bed at the time this occurred, in that bedroom'?

Response:- 'whoof'..

Rivlin:- 'answer yes, or no, was Jeremy Bamber the person who shot and killed his sister by shooting her dead, there and then, at that time'?

Response:- 'whoof, whoof'..

This imaginary testimony of 'Crispy' the shih Tzu house dog makes more sense than the fairy story presented by the prosecution and its group of witness actors at the trial of Regina versus Jeremy Bamber! Cops should 'fess up and admit the truth no matter how embarrassing it is, or it was, since it is what it is, a bungled police operation that at the very least (setting this miscarriage of justice aside) cost Sheila her life!

[mike tesko]

Rivlin QC and Arlidge QC made a pre-trial agreement that the sound moderator and the scratch marks were a result of the murders. I can vouch for this, Jeremy spoke to me many times about it, he felt like his legal team had sold him down the river, so to speak! Having said that, I met Rivlin at Birdwell armoury in 2004 during ballistics testing and he came across as an honourable bloke...

In 2010 Jeremy wrote that this decision cost him 25 years of his life. He has written to both Rivlin and Arlidge about the issue but neither seem to do anything about it. 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2427.msg74650.html

[mike tesko]

Confusion reigns, since Jeremy saw the silhouetted figure at his parents bedroom window (top left) at the front of the farmhouse, whereas, in Bews video clip account, he is referring to a window that is top right at the side of the house facing him at the time! If Bews was at the side of the farmhouse which has the courtyard and the back door to the premises, his top right window would be the box room - but when he got to the front of the farmhouse, his top right window would have been Sheila Caffell's bedroom!

The problem here, is that Jeremy has never mentioned to me, or anybody else as far as I know, that he saw somebody at either the box room window on one side of the farmhouse, or at his sister's bedroom window at the front the farmhouse! Bews has moved the sighting to a different window because he realised how important it was by the time the matter came to trial in October 1986, for Jeremy to have an alibi exonerating him from the crimes alleged against him! Since, if a police officer had said, 'yes' we believed that we saw someone who was still alive moving around inside the parents bedroom whilst Jeremy was alongside them in the grounds of the farmhouse, the case against Jeremy would have collapsed there and then!

If you added to that the fact that lights in different rooms of the farmhouse upstairs and downstairs were being switched on and off during the seige, and that the telephone inside the farmhouse had mysteriously become 'engaged' at 5.55am, which in turn became the equivalent of a '999' call from 6.09am, onwards..

Also..

That according to the contents of key and timed police radio log contents, that Sheila Caffell's body must have been the female body being spoken about as being present downstairs in the kitchen along with the body of Neville Bambers body, from 7.35am, onwards, a murder, and a suicide, by 7.45am, with a further three bodies upstairs by 8.10am...

There's more...

Sheila supposedly dead downstairs by a reliance upon several accounts (7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, and 7.45am), then pronounced as being dead by a police surgeon, Dr Craig, her body at this stage being described as being 'on the far side of the bed, upstairs in the parents bedroom with the rifle alongside her body, at 8.44am?

Yet more still...

By the time DS Jones and DC Clark visited the main bedroom crime scene at about 9.05am, the bodies of both Sheila and June Bamber were laid side by side on top of the bed, with the rifle resting on the bed in between both bodies! Rather more astonishingly, Sheila had a Bible resting on her chest at this time!

How then...

Did Sheila Caffell's body end up on the bedroom floor on the left of the bed, in possession of the anshuzt rifle, with the Bible now on the floor to the right hand side of her upper arm?

Could someone far more educated than I please try to explain to someone like me, exactly how Jeremy Bamber could have orchestrated any of this? Am I missing something? Is there something that one so lowly as I should know about?

The house dog, 'Crispy', could tell a better story than what amounted to the prosecution's case, by them portraying Jeremy as a mass murderer, who after allegedly killing off his sister, he proceeded to stage her death on the parents bedroom floor, as a suicide, suggestive that she had been responsible for the there four deaths, and at the death, her own...

If Rivlin had called the house dog, 'Crispy' to testify, it would have made more sense than that relied upon by the prosecution, Essex Police and the relatives...

Rivlin:- I am going to put it to you, in simple terms, 'did Sheila Caffell shoot herself dead upstairs on the bedroom floor'?

Response - 'whoof, whoof'...

Rivlin:- 'Now, I only require a simple answer to the following question, please tell us whether or not you were present in the main bedroom when Sheila received the second fatal shot'?

Response:- 'whoof'..

Rivlin:- ' were you, infact, hiding underneath the bed at the time this occurred, in that bedroom'?

Response:- 'whoof'..

Rivlin:- 'answer yes, or no, was Jeremy Bamber the person who shot and killed his sister by shooting her dead, there and then, at that time'?

Response:- 'whoof, whoof'..

This imaginary testimony of 'Crispy' the shih Tzu house dog makes more sense than the fairy story presented by the prosecution and its group of witness actors at the trial of Regina versus Jeremy Bamber! Cops should 'fess up and admit the truth no matter how embarrassing it is, or it was, since it is what it is, a bungled police operation that at the very least (setting this miscarriage of justice aside) cost Sheila her life!

On a more serious note, no wonder 'CRISPY' the shih Tzu house dog sought refuge beneath the bed, what with the cops shooting dead his relative, so much for everything being alright with the arrival of the cavalry at such a late hour in his ordeal, talk about letting sleeping dogs lie, and dogged police work! Seems to me that if 'CRISPY' had been a gun dog instead of a shih Tzu, Essex police might have tried to nail him for the murder of Sheila!

It's a very telling indictment, that the cops ended up treating Sheila's death as a murder, since it can only mean that the cops know that the way they shot dead Sheila Caffell on the main bedroom floor was 'not a lawful killing, but rather an unlawful one'!

[mike tesko]

On a more serious note, no wonder 'CRISPY' the shih Tzu house dog sought refuge beneath the bed, what with the cops shooting dead his relative, so much for everything being alright with the arrival of the cavalry at such a late hour in his ordeal, talk about letting sleeping dogs lie, and dogged police work! Seems to me that if 'CRISPY' had been a gun dog instead of a shih Tzu, Essex police might have tried to nail him for the murder of Sheila!

It's a very telling indictment, that the cops ended up treating Sheila's death as a murder, since it can only mean that the cops know that the way they shot dead Sheila Caffell on the main bedroom floor was 'not a lawful killing, but rather an unlawful one'!

Poor 'Crispy' was left cowering beneath the bed in the parents bedroom, right until the moment at about 10.00am, when the 2nd team of SOCO recovered him from beneath the bed and promptly incarcerated him in a wardrobe (the dog house)!

[mike tesko]

Poor 'Crispy' was left cowering beneath the bed in the parents bedroom, right until the moment at about 10.00am, when the 2nd team of SOCO recovered him from beneath the bed and promptly incarcerated him in a wardrobe (the dog house)!

Written inside this wardrobe or cupboard were the words 'I HATE THIS PLACE', to date, Essex police have been unable to track down who was responsible for writing the ditto, but unofficially they suspect 'Crispy' as the author...

[David1819]

Written inside this wardrobe or cupboard were the words 'I HATE THIS PLACE', to date, Essex police have been unable to track down who was responsible for writing the ditto, but unofficially they suspect 'Crispy' as the author...

It was Sheila. (according to Colin)

[mike tesko]

It was Sheila. (according to Colin)

I am aware of that, I was just trying to be sarcastic..

[frankie]

The fundamental problem I have at the moment is that if we work on the assumption that Shelia was the shooter and was herself killed due to mistakes made by Essex Police, then would it have not been so much easier for the police to steamroller through their first scenario of her as guilty, rather than pursuing the framing of an innocent Jeremy? Surely they would have not wanted a court case as there was a far great chance of their errors being exposed? This is my current sticking point along with the fact that I'm not really buying this barking dog stuff, as much as I would like to find it credible.

[Adam]

The fundamental problem I have at the moment is that if we work on the assumption that Shelia was the shooter and was herself killed due to mistakes made by Essex Police, then would it have not been so much easier for the police to steamroller through their first scenario of her as guilty, rather than pursuing the framing of an innocent Jeremy? Surely they would have not wanted a court case as there was a far great chance of their errors being exposed? This is my current sticking point along with the fact that I'm not really buying this barking dog stuff, as much as I would like to find it credible.

Surely you are not suggesting Sheila was not communicating with Essex Police outside, by barking ?

[mike tesko]

The fundamental problem I have at the moment is that if we work on the assumption that Shelia was the shooter and was herself killed due to mistakes made by Essex Police, then would it have not been so much easier for the police to steamroller through their first scenario of her as guilty, rather than pursuing the framing of an innocent Jeremy? Surely they would have not wanted a court case as there was a far great chance of their errors being exposed? This is my current sticking point along with the fact that I'm not really buying this barking dog stuff, as much as I would like to find it credible.

Essex police dug themselves into a hole that was impossible to climb back out of!

Throughout the first month, for example, they presented the incident as four murders and a suicide, where they were satisfied that Sheila had shot and killed the other four victims, and then turned the gun on herself!

How was it possible once they adopted this account, for them to suddenly do an about turn and admit to the shooting of Sheila downstairs in the kitchen, a shot which was believed to have killed her? Then, after 8.10am, with all the bodies of the five victims accounted for (two down, three upstairs), the police start to admit that they had made a mistake in calling Sheila's death in the kitchen, instead she survived that shooting and at some point after 8.10am, she recovered and made her way all the way upstairs to her parents bedroom, where she collapsed once again, onto her parents bed! How the police surgeon, Dr Craig, had pronounced Sheila as being dead with her body on the far side of the bed at 8.44am? But, as a result of moving Sheila's body to the bedroom floor, there had occurred a mishap involving the mishandling of a rifle which out of curiosity the police presented to her body just to see if it might be possible to suggest that the solitary bullet wound in her neck had been inflicted by use of 'that' rifle, and not the 'other' one that 'was' downstairs in the kitchen! Essex police then at pains to explain why would they be considering using a rifle with Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, if they already knew that 'another' gun had fired the shot in question? Nevertheless, if the police had come clean and told the facts as they stood at that time, adding that whilst this gauging exercise was being undertaken, how the weapon in question had discharged a second bullet into Sheila's head, via a shot under the chin!  So that by 'that state's Sheila had been shot twice! More disturbingly, at the time of this mishap, blood started to court from the second bullet entry wound, the corners of Sheila's mouth, and her nostril, with such a frequency that officers suspected that she might not have been dead after all? So, they swiftly removed the rifle, and turned Sheila's body onto its right side into the recovery position, whilst an officer attempted to stem the flow of fresh blood from the recently inflicted neck wound, only to no avail...

Soon afterwards the police rolled Sheila's body into the supine position and plonked the rifle on her body, deciding to claim that they suspected her to have taken her own life!!

That's what your expecting us to believe the cops would have said, that there'd be no reason to try and frame Jeremy Bamber for the murders of the other four family victims, and of course, the murder of Sheila Caffell herself?

Well, hold on a moment, cops were more than willing to continue treating these five deaths as four murders and a suicide, but they came unstuck as a result of the relatives who suspected things couldn't have panned out in keeping with the police account! For a start, after four weeks or more, since the shooting tragedy, glaring contradictions surfaced regarding the whereabouts of Sheila's body, in a deceased state! Firstly, Sheila was dead downstairs in the kitchen, from as early as 7.35am, then mysteriously pronounced as being dead on the far side of the bed, by the police surgeon, Dr Craig at 8.44am! But there was more, because two police officers (DS Stan Jones and Mick Clark) had told Ann Eaton and the other relatives in the first morning of the police investigation that the body of Neville Bamber had been found in the kitchen, that the child victims had been found sleeping in their respective beds, and that the bodies of June and Sheila had been found laying side by side on top of the parents bedroom, with the rifle resting on the bed, in between both bodies, and that Sheila had got a Bible on her chest at that time!

When, now during the first week in September 1985, one month after the tragedy,cthe relatives were finding out that the police were saying that June's body was found on the bedroom floor next to the Forrest of the bedroom, and that Sheila's body was on the bedroom floor on the opposite side of the bed, clutching a rifle! Whereas police had told the relatives that Sheila had only been shot once, she had in fact been shot twice!

There was something else which the relatives knew about, and this was that Stan Jones had originally seized a Sound moderator and it's rifle from the scene, they knew this because on the evening of 9th August 1975, when Jones and Jones attended whf to hand over the keys to the farmhouse, Stan Jones handed to Peter Eaton the rifle in question, which Peter Eaton replaced back in the farmhouse! In one of Ann Eaton's notes that she had a habit of keeping from the time of the shooting tragedy, states that 'Peter put the rifle back'!

That rifle had a sound moderator attached to its barrel, and is believed to have been owned by Anthony Pargeter!

There were lots of inconsistencies regarding what had happened, who had done this or that!

This was what sparked the relatives into action! They hounded Essex police, and in the end forced them to start a fresh investigation, with Jeremy as the chief suspect at the heart of that fresh investigation - otherwise there might be dire consequences for Essex Police, such threats compelled Essex police, to try to frame Jeremy Bamber as the murderer at any cost, or face the music for their misreads!

It worked a treat, and the rest is history!