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Offline frankie

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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2018, 07:34:AM »
This is all fascinating and intriguing and the reason that I have joined this forum, so thanks. Forgive me for being on catch up but how is all of this detailed information known? Just thinking that if I'd been involved then by now I'd have blabbed to someone and this might be all over the press?

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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2018, 10:57:AM »
Something else of significance occurred much earlier at the scene when PS Bews, PC Myall, and Jeremy went on a recce' of the farmhouse...

It was as a result of this 'event' occurring, which may have attracted the silhouetted figure to come and stand next to the parents bedroom window, as if peering out into the grounds at the front of the farmhouse! After a couple of minutes, the silhouetted figure walked swiftly across the full opening of the bedroom window, from right to left (as viewed from the vantage point, of Bews, Myall and Jeremy), going in the general direction of an internal doorway which led from the main bedroom into the box room...

With the benefit of hindsight, it now seems almost certain that the silhouetted figure had left the main bedroom and gone to the window in the box room which was situated on a different side of the farmhouse. It would have provided the silhouetted figure with an ideal opportunity to cast a lengthy gaze over the courtyard, near the back door to the house, as well as afford a general view toward the barns and outbuildings!

What was it, which caused this activity in the mind of the silhouetted figure?

Well...

It was the dog barking, which was locked away in one of the outbuildings, the sound of the dog barking alerted the person, whoever it was, that there was someone or something milling around outside!

Jeremy would comment to the two police officers at the time, that it was strange that his father (Neville Bamber) had not responded to the barking of the dog, because apparently it would have drawn Neville from his bed to investigate! Maybe, Neville Bamber was already dead by that stage (4.02am)? If so, then who could the silhouetted figure seen at the parents bedroom window have been?

June Bamber?
Sheila Caffell?
The Assassin?

Everything now known about by Essex police in connection with this matter leads to the inevitable conclusion that the person seen could only have been a reference to Sheila Caffell!

Remember, that when PC West had asked the operator to check the line to whf, how the operator had confirmed that the phone at the scene was 'off the hook', but that a dog could be heard to be barking? Well, maybe that was not 'Crispy' the shih Tzu dog that was barking alone inside the farmhouse, in all probability that was Sheila Mimicking a dogs bark in response to the dogs at the scene barking, both inside the farmhouse, and outside inside one of the sheds! When one of the dogs had started barking, or both of them, Sheila had took up the guantlet and started barking back at that dog, or both of the dogs!

It must have felt somewhat amusing to her, after she had attacked and killed everyone that whenever she barked, firstly 'Crispy' barked back in response, and this set off a chain reaction, whereby the other dog locked away in an outbuilding also appeared to join in on que!

Sheila must have convinced herself that she could communicate in this way with both dogs!

Hence...

Why, thereafter, she refused to use the Queen's English when communicating or in a conversation with the police who eventually turned up! She decided that she would only communicate with the police by barking like a dog, she believed that by taking this approach that she was conveying her responses to not just the police, but also to both dogs!
« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 11:02:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2018, 11:13:AM »
Maybe the 'Beige' BT phone was in the 'Parents bedroom' off the hook.

With Neville's blood on it.

The Police needed to make a call so they moved it , the 'Beige' BT phone, to the kitchen and cleaned it after use.

The BT Open line was actually picking up sounds in the 'Parents bedroom'...

So time of Sheila's time of death was between 04.02 a.m. and when the BT open line started...6.09 a.m.

« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 12:27:PM by Nigel »
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.

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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2018, 11:19:AM »
In a nutshell, there exists numerous references in the police accounts, of a dog barking!

These were deliberately mentioned because the police believed that it was Sheila Mimicking a barking, or a howling or a whining dog! It was her way of letting them know that she was ready to bite them if they tried to enter the farmhouse! The barks, howls and whinings which Sheila was generating alerted the police that Sheila was alive inside the house, holes up somewhere with access to an arsenal of guns and ammunitions - so, the cops bided their time, hoping that Sheila might fall asleep!

Whilst ever there came a barking, a howling, or a whining sound from within the farmhouse itself, cops knew to keep themselves back!

But, everything took at turn for the better, it seemed, when by 5.25am, the firearms team were engaged in a conversation with a person from inside the farmhouse. It was a truly bizarre state of affairs, with the firearms team bellowing instructions and orders at Sheila to give herself up and to put down any weapons and walk out of the house! In response to most of these challenges two barks echoed back to the police, which appeared to come from the direction of the parents bedroom window, 'Whoof, whoof'..

'Go to the phone', and 'use the phone to communicate with us, please'?

Not surprisingly, these requests received no responses at all, not two 'whoofs', or one...

That was until 5.55am, when the state of the farmhouse phone mysteriously altered from being off the hook, to becoming engaged!
« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 11:21:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2018, 11:27:AM »
In a nutshell, there exists numerous references in the police accounts, of a dog barking!

These were deliberately mentioned because the police believed that it was Sheila Mimicking a barking, or a howling or a whining dog! It was her way of letting them know that she was ready to bite them if they tried to enter the farmhouse! The barks, howls and whinings which Sheila was generating alerted the police that Sheila was alive inside the house, holes up somewhere with access to an arsenal of guns and ammunitions - so, the cops bided their time, hoping that Sheila might fall asleep!

Whilst ever there came a barking, a howling, or a whining sound from within the farmhouse itself, cops knew to keep themselves back!

But, everything took at turn for the better, it seemed, when by 5.25am, the firearms team were engaged in a conversation with a person from inside the farmhouse. It was a truly bizarre state of affairs, with the firearms team bellowing instructions and orders at Sheila to give herself up and to put down any weapons and walk out of the house! In response to most of these challenges two barks echoed back to the police, which appeared to come from the direction of the parents bedroom window, 'Whoof, whoof'..

'Go to the phone', and 'use the phone to communicate with us, please'?

Not surprisingly, these requests received no responses at all, not two 'whoofs', or one...

That was until 5.55am, when the state of the farmhouse phone mysteriously altered from being off the hook, to becoming engaged!

There was one occasion, however, one very telling moment when Sheila regained her senses, and rather than bark, howl, or whine at the police, her guard was down, and according to the evidence she actually spoke audible  words that lie at the heart of her demise!
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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2018, 11:35:AM »
The BT open line tape is key, why is it under Pii?
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.

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« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2018, 11:38:AM »
There was one occasion, however, one very telling moment when Sheila regained her senses, and rather than bark, howl, or whine at the police, her guard was down, and according to the evidence she actually spoke audible  words that lie at the heart of her demise!

She didn't bark, she didn't howl, she didn't whine...

She shouted, she bellowed out swear words, she screamed!

This occurred at the time PS Woodcock came around the opening edge of the internal door between kitchen and the back passage! It must have truly incensed Sheila that after setting her father's death scene by making it look as comfortable as possible whilst he had made the transition from this world to the next by sitting him down comfortably in his agony on a wooden Chair, and even using another chair to help keep him somewhat upright, despite sitting, by placing this second chair in front of him so that he could rest his arms and head on the forward chair back, only to see the police toppling him forward until he lay in a crumpled heap on the kitchen floor undignified!!

Sheila must have realised that 'now' was not the time to bark, to howl, or to whine!

She shouted, she swore, she screamed...

Amidst this struggle downstairs in the kitchen, Sheila got shot in the neck and fell like a sack of potatoes to the kitchen floor - presumed to have died...

It was 7.35am..
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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2018, 11:45:AM »
She didn't bark, she didn't howl, she didn't whine...

She shouted, she bellowed out swear words, she screamed!

This occurred at the time PS Woodcock came around the opening edge of the internal door between kitchen and the back passage! It must have truly incensed Sheila that after setting her father's death scene by making it look as comfortable as possible whilst he had made the transition from this world to the next by sitting him down comfortably in his agony on a wooden Chair, and even using another chair to help keep him somewhat upright, despite sitting, by placing this second chair in front of him so that he could rest his arms and head on the forward chair back, only to see the police toppling him forward until he lay in a crumpled heap on the kitchen floor undignified!!

Sheila must have realised that 'now' was not the time to bark, to howl, or to whine!

She shouted, she swore, she screamed...

Amidst this struggle downstairs in the kitchen, Sheila got shot in the neck and fell like a sack of potatoes to the kitchen floor - presumed to have died...

It was 7.35am..

One of the police radio message logs captured the moment that Sheila reverted to human conversation (if that be the right term to use), rather than to continue barking, and howling, and whining at the police!  It's all recorded in the police messages, voices, shouting, movement of bodies, movement of furniture and the crashing of crockery, and a broken ceiling lamp shade, etc, etc, etc...

All of this damage to the crockery, the sugar bowl, the ceiling light shade, the over turned stools, Neville Bambers body toppled over precariously on a chair, occurred during the life or death struggle between PS Woodcock and Sheila in the kitchen! This is the sole reason why two bodies were described as being present downstairs in the kitchen between 7.35am and 8.10am (the actual police radio message log contents only physically place two bodies downstairs by as late as 7.45am, by which time the two bodies were clearly the body f one dead male, and the body of one (supposedly) dead femal', a murder, and a suicide, however, the police logs do only confirm the presence of three bodies upstairs by 8.10am. It is, therefore, safe to assume that if Sheila's body had been upstairs by that (8.10am) time, the body count upstairs would have been noted as four, not three!
« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 11:51:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2018, 11:45:AM »
What of the other dogs? Where were they and how many? More intriguingly to me, where does all this info about these events come from and was Jeremy there, did he hear all this dog barking correspondence?

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« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2018, 11:59:AM »
What of the other dogs? Where were they and how many? More intriguingly to me, where does all this info about these events come from and was Jeremy there, did he hear all this dog barking correspondence?

The family owned two dogs, one a house dog, the other a farmyard dog!

Jeremy was privy to the original barking of the farmyard dog, and perhaps Sheila's mimmick of the house dog, when he went on a recce' of the farmhouse along with PS Bews and PC Myall. He was not present at the scene at 5.25am, when the firearms team were engaged in a conversation with a person inside the farmhouse, because he had left the scene at that time with a uniformed PC to go to a nearby village to use the public telephone to call Julie Mugford'!

Upon his return Jeremy was kept away from the farmhouse, he was sat with PS Saxby in a patrol car (call sign CA07) which was parked up, in Pages Lane, next to the farm cottages - he was effectively out of earshot of the barking dogs, the barking Sheila, or the loud hailer requests and commands! He simply felt as though police had made contact with whoever the silhouetted figure at his parents bedroom window had been, and that the police were trying to negotiate bringing the matter to an end!
« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 12:00:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2018, 12:08:PM »
The family owned two dogs, one a house dog, the other a farmyard dog!

Jeremy was privy to the original barking of the farmyard dog, and perhaps Sheila's mimmick of the house dog, when he went on a recce' of the farmhouse along with PS Bews and PC Myall. He was not present at the scene at 5.25am, when the firearms team were engaged in a conversation with a person inside the farmhouse, because he had left the scene at that time with a uniformed PC to go to a nearby village to use the public telephone to call Julie Mugford'!

Upon his return Jeremy was kept away from the farmhouse, he was sat with PS Saxby in a patrol car (call sign CA07) which was parked up, in Pages Lane, next to the farm cottages - he was effectively out of earshot of the barking dogs, the barking Sheila, or the loud hailer requests and commands! He simply felt as though police had made contact with whoever the silhouetted figure at his parents bedroom window had been, and that the police were trying to negotiate bringing the matter to an end!

Jeremy was certainly present at the police patrol vehicle (CA07) when key timed radio messages were related from the scene to the control room at Chelmsford, confirming the presence of two dead bodies downstairs in the kitchen upon entry, (to which messages, 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, and 7.45am, refer) and a further three bodies upstairs by 8.10am, because those timed police messages were passed from the scene to the control room by either PS Saxby, PS Bews, or by PC Myall...

Jeremy knew that there was still someone alive inside the farmhouse at 4.02am, because he had seen that person, along with PS Bews, and PC Myall (the silhouetted figure at his parents bedroom window), but by 7.35am, he was hearing that police had entered the farmhouse, and that everyone was dead, including Sheila! But for PS Bews about turn where he is now making out that what they had seen was simply a trick of light, at one of the first floor windows, both PS Bews and PC Myall provided Jeremy with the perfect alibi, establishing him not to have been the killer!
« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 12:12:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2018, 12:12:PM »
No word from PC Myall regarding what was seen at the parents bedroom window!
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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2018, 12:16:PM »
No word from PS Saxby, regarding what he heard PS Bews say in his situation report via the police radio of patrol car CA07, about what had been seen at the parents bedroom window, and it seems odd that if Bews thought that what they had been looking at, had been a trick of light, that he should request that the firearms team be deployed on the strength of them having been observing a trick of light at one of the first floor windows?
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Re: One bark for 'YES', two barks for 'NO'..
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2018, 12:18:PM »
Thanks. Has Jeremy ever commented on this version of events apart from the moonlight/movement at window which I have read about? Also was Sheila ever known to have made animal noises while having episodes before?

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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2018, 12:24:PM »
Of course, in addition to the contents of these critical police messages, was the fact that police back in the control room at Chelmsford police station, were monitoring via audio tape, all the ongoings within earshot of the telephone with it's handset off its cradle and that they had been monitoring continually between 6.09am until 8.15am, and so the control room would only be receiving information from the scene via the timed police radio messages, which they were already aware of via the eavesdrop of the telephone!

Funny how nobody challenges the fact that between 7.35am and 8.10am, there had been two bodies downstairs in the kitchen, and only three bodies upstairs in the bedrooms! Unless, of course, that is, that there was two bodies down and three bodies up at and or by these times!
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