A New Approach

[maggie]

And, as I've said, many, MANY times, PATTERNS REPEAT.

And I have agreed Jane, unless the circle is broken this passes from one generation to the next.  Julie may very well have been a victim of her own upbringing and genes. 
The JB experience and realisation of the dangerous line she had been treading may have changed her direction and attitude for the better.  For all that in this world the law does not judge people on their backgrounds (well that's not strictly true), they are certainly not looked on more kindly because their upbringing was abusive or lacking in security, the prisons are full of abused and damaged people. 
In the eyes of the law Julie was definitely an adult and therefore responsible for her actions which are understandably still being questioned on this forum.

[maggie]

Do you know where I can read about JM allegedly being abused by her father/step father; or could this be a part of Bambers smear campaign?

I cannot I'm afraid but I am sure it came from Julie however as I read it a few years ago I simply can't remember.  Because I have no proof that this is definitely true I have not stated it as fact but rather as a possibility. I am aware that her parents and step father are still alive so I am careful in my wording as I don't want to appear to be accusing anyone of abuse or bad parenting.   As far as I am aware it didn't come via JB but we can never be sure of anything as so much is hearsay etc.  I do know that her background was not great

[Stephanie]

I cannot I'm afraid but I am sure it came from Julie however as I read it a few years ago I simply can't remember.  Because I have no proof that this is definitely true I have not stated it as fact but rather as a possibility. I am aware that her parents and step father are still alive so I am careful in my wording as I don't want to appear to be accusing anyone of abuse or bad parenting.   As far as I am aware it didn't come via JB but we can never be sure of anything as so much is hearsay etc.  I do know that her background was not great

Not to worry; think I found it http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=4522.0

It did come from JB apparently?!?

During his police interviews he's asked whether JM is close to her family, he says "to her mother yes, she didn't like her father because he used to beat her. In the last year she had not spent much time with her family."

[maggie]

Obviously you don't

No I don't Jackie, I know as much as most but as I didn't know her, I didn't know her parents or anything about her childhood I am always interested to find out more.  Maybe you could fill me in.

[maggie]

Not to worry; think I found it http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=4522.0

It did come from JB apparently?!?

Maybe but that may not have been the only source.   I do not know if her step father beat her or not but I have been told by someone from the area that her background was not great.

[Stephanie]

Maybe but that may not have been the only source.   I do not know if her step father beat her or not but I have been told by someone from the area that her background was not great.

In other words hearsay.

[Stephanie]

The most recent news I could find where JM makes a statement regarding her evidence is 2001 and by all accounts it suggests she is still haunted by what happened.

Sunday Mirror -
"Julie, now 36, said: "I thought this was long in the past. The last few weeks have been a nightmare. As far as I am concerned nothing has changed - I sincerely believe he is guilty. Do I stand by my original story? Yes, absolutely. I always assumed he would be in jail for life.
"And while I fully accept that new forensic techniques could throw new light on the case I still believe he is guilty. He has a right to appeal, that is the law. It is just very hard for me to accept.
"At this stage the appeal process is so sketchy that I have no idea what is going on."

A friend added: "It is somethingJulie has never really recovered from. Ultimately it was her evidence that put him behind bars and it is something she still has nightmares about. She still grieves for his family and wonders if she could have averted the murders by telling the police about his scheming beforehand

[Stephanie]

The most recent news I could find where JM makes a statement regarding her evidence is 2011 and by all accounts it suggests she is still haunted by what happened.

Sunday Mirror -
"Julie, now 36, said: "I thought this was long in the past. The last few weeks have been a nightmare. As far as I am concerned nothing has changed - I sincerely believe he is guilty. Do I stand by my original story? Yes, absolutely. I always assumed he would be in jail for life.
"And while I fully accept that new forensic techniques could throw new light on the case I still believe he is guilty. He has a right to appeal, that is the law. It is just very hard for me to accept.
"At this stage the appeal process is so sketchy that I have no idea what is going on."

A friend added: "It is somethingJulie has never really recovered from. Ultimately it was her evidence that put him behind bars and it is something she still has nightmares about. She still grieves for his family and wonders if she could have averted the murders by telling the police about his scheming beforehand

Interestingly the same article suggests JM finally went to the police after Bamber humiliated her?

"Julie, who stood alongside Bamber at the family funeral as he cried what prosecutors called "crocodile tears," finally gave in when he humiliated her by asking out another girl in front of her

[Adam]

Interestingly the same article suggests JM finally went to the police after Bamber humiliated her.

"Julie, who stood alongside Bamber at the family funeral as he cried what prosecutors called "crocodile tears," finally gave in when he humiliated her by asking out another girl in front of her

That is correct.

They had spilt up but Bamber was helping Julie move. Doesn't sound much like a devastated former girlfriend to me. 

Bamber asked another woman out in front of her & Julie went to the police shortly afterwards.

Although she had already told 5 people & would certainly have gone to the police, this may have speeded things up.

[Stephanie]

That is correct.

They had spilt up but Bamber was helping Julie move. Doesn't sound much like a devastated former girlfriend to me. 

Bamber asked another woman out in front of her & Julie went to the police shortly afterwards.

Although she had already told 5 people & would certainly have gone to the police, this may have speeded things up.

In other words Adam it was most possibly coincidental that she went to police at that time.

[JackieD]

No I don't Jackie, I know as much as most but as I didn't know her, I didn't know her parents or anything about her childhood I am always interested to find out more.  Maybe you could fill me in.

I know all about this because Jeremy talked at length about this and there is loads more that involves her mother and stepfather which does not appear on this forum and involves her mother and stepfather but will make no difference to this case so there is no need to post anything
I just hate this constant speculation
I do know why Mary Mugford didn't like Jeremy and her behaviour has been disgraceful to him

[Stephanie]

I know all about this because Jeremy talked at length about this and there is loads more that involves her mother and stepfather which does not appear on this forum and involves her mother and stepfather but will make no difference to this case so there is no need to post anything
I just hate this constant speculation
I do know why Mary Mugford didn't like Jeremy and her behaviour has been disgraceful to him

It was more than likely all part of his smear campaign against her.

Even NN couldn't find any reference to the claims; though she'd previously quoted a source? http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4522.msg186095.html#msg186095

The fact is Jackie you only know what Jeremy told you, that doesn't mean there's any truth in his claims

[maggie]

I know all about this because Jeremy talked at length about this and there is loads more that involves her mother and stepfather which does not appear on this forum and involves her mother and stepfather but will make no difference to this case so there is no need to post anything
I just hate this constant speculation
I do know why Mary Mugford didn't like Jeremy and her behaviour has been disgraceful to him

Thanks Jackie

[maggie]

In other words hearsay.

I am not claiming it to be anything else.  So much on the forum is hearsay.

[Stephanie]

I know all about this because Jeremy talked at length about this and there is loads more that involves her mother and stepfather which does not appear on this forum and involves her mother and stepfather but will make no difference to this case so there is no need to post anything
I just hate this constant speculation
I do know why Mary Mugford didn't like Jeremy and her behaviour has been disgraceful to him

Yet it's you who is speculating