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Offline Kaldin

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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #450 on: September 25, 2017, 10:51:PM »
Julie Mugford stated -

8th August

"Killing his family again. He not mentioned this for about 2 months. He said that his original plan was not fool proof because of the drugs and he didn’t know how to administer it. He said he thought about getting cyanide but wherever he got it would be recorded. He then said that as they lived on a farm it might be acceptable but then he dismissed that idea. I remember that I made a joke about the house saying that he couldn’t burn it down because it was so beautiful. He said he had changed his mind about burning it down because it might have been seen too quickly and the evidence would not have been destroyed.
He also dismissed the fire because there were valuables in the house which would be lost. He told me the house insurance was low. He mentioned about a pigeon clock and china and silver which he thought were valuable. He said that the only other way that he could do it was to shoot them. He told me that he was always thinking about it on his tractor.
He said he had to plan it so it was fool proof. He was trying to find a way of getting in and out of the house without trace as the outside doors were always locked. This was all he said at that stage and he would have to think more about it.
About June 1985 whilst I was out in the car with Jeremy he told me that he was being pressurised by his parents and he hoped that Sheila was coming to stay. He said that he would use a cycle to do it and would do a trial run to see how long it would take. He thought it would take………..?? (The rest of this page is missing, it looks like she could be saying 15 minutes to me)."http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1647



You are clearly cherry picking parts of the evidence to suit your agenda

What are you talking about? My post was addressing a post where it was suggested that Julie gradually became suspicious about Jeremy - that's why I asked that question. I don't understand your post at all.

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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #451 on: September 25, 2017, 10:52:PM »
And say for arguments sake we ignore the label "psychopath" I find Bambers behaviour to be predatory.

An example of this is when he wrote to Caroline after learning she no longer believed he was innocent.

Ha, ha! He said I was 'naughty'   :o ;D
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #452 on: September 25, 2017, 10:54:PM »
Why don't you read the statement re the cheque book fraud. It was Julie who persuaded Susan. Jeremy said she was a goody two shoes who would never do anything dishonest. She did it to impress him. She was in love. Women in love have been known to do stupid things. Your comment on the probe may NOT be as far fetched as you think, after all, she said, quite openly that he'd taught her sex like never before!

I have read it. Julie said she tried to persuade Susan to do it (not the actions of an easily-led person IMO), but they decided not to do it, but then Susan came into her room and said they should do it. It was nothing to do with Jeremy - it was not his idea.

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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #453 on: September 25, 2017, 10:55:PM »
Why should I accept "evidence" from books just because others do? I'm my own person. Did Julie say that or not? If she did, can you point to a statement where she said it?

Alright you're going to be different to everyone else & not accept books as a source. Probably because you haven't got any books yourself. 

Books are also quoted by supporters. You won't be able to support these future posts.
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #454 on: September 25, 2017, 10:56:PM »
I have read it. Julie said she tried to persuade Susan to do it (not the actions of an easily-led person IMO), but they decided not to do it, but then Susan came into her room and said they should do it. It was nothing to do with Jeremy - it was not his idea.

Nor were the murders Julie Mugfords idea!

Julie Mugford states -

"He said he had found a way in through a downstairs window which I think he might have said was a kitchen window. He said they would all be shot. He told me he could get out of the house through a window which the latch would close when the window was closed. He said as you close the window the latch drops down making it look as if the window had never been opened.
I got very upset and insisted that he did not mention it again.
Jeremy did not mention to me about killing his family until Tuesday 6th August 1985.
I was at my home in Lewisham when Jeremy phoned me about 10pm.
He said to me ‘ Hi honey’ I’ve just phoned up to ask how you are. I said to him I have had a wonderful day at work and that I was really happy and I wanted to make him happy. I asked him how his day had been and he said ‘ As best as can be expected’ as he had spent all day on the tractor; …???… it had been sunny and he had spent all day inside. I assume that he meant he was inside the cab of the tractor all day.
I said to him ‘you sound pissed off’. He said I have been thinking on the tractor and the crime will have to be tonight or never. I told him not to be so stupid and that he was only saying this because he had had a bad day on the tractor. He also told me that he had only just got back from work and had had supper with his parents and Sheila and the twins and that was why he late in phoning me.

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I then continued telling him about my day and dropped the matter concerning his family. I was aware that when he said the word crime he was referring to the killing of his family. I did not believe he could carry it out. I remember that he told me that he had been on the phone 17 minutes and I said words to the effect ‘oh I am sorry do you want me to go now’ he just said that he hadn’t got anything else to say. We both said goodbye and put the phone down. I remember now that he said words to the effect that I might be hearing from him later. I thought nothing of this.
I believe that prior to Jeremy phoning me up I had been smoking marijuana and I suppose because of this I was quite flippant on the phone with Jeremy.
I suppose I went to be that night about 11:15pm time.
In the early hours of the morning, I have since found out from a friend of mine, Susan Battersby who was with me then, it was about 3:15am, I was woken up by another house mate Douglas Dale who told me that Jeremy was on the telephone. I got out of bed and went to the phone on the landing and said hello. I felt very dozy and I suppose I was only half awake. He said everything is going well, not to worry there is something wrong at the farm.
I told him sleepily to go back to bed and he said bye honey I love you lots. I then put the phone down. I particularly remember the phrase ‘everything is going well’ I then got into bed and laid there for a few minutes when I suddenly came to my senses and realised what he had said
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #455 on: September 25, 2017, 10:57:PM »
Well over the last few days you've made you're point.

In you're view you would have acted differently to Julie at her age & in her situation -

Not gone to the funeral.

Not worn a veil.

Not bought a dress.

Acted diffetently when Bamber woke her at 3am.

Totally cut off from Bamber on the 7th August 1985.


Obviously what you believe you would have done means nothing. Put 100 20 year old women in her situation & there will ne a 100 different reactions.

Anything you've said is just your opinion, and I disagree with your opinion. Why do you think you're allowed to talk about it and I'm not?

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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #456 on: September 25, 2017, 10:58:PM »
Alright you're going to be different to everyone else & not accept books as a source. Probably because you haven't got any books yourself. 

Books are also quoted by supporters. You won't be able to support these future posts.

I can't help what other people do. I have access to a lot of statements, which are actually the words of the people involved. Books are largely based on the opinion of others who weren't involved.

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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #457 on: September 25, 2017, 10:59:PM »
Nor were the murders Julie Mugfords idea!

Julie Mugford states -

"He said he had found a way in through a downstairs window which I think he might have said was a kitchen window. He said they would all be shot. He told me he could get out of the house through a window which the latch would close when the window was closed. He said as you close the window the latch drops down making it look as if the window had never been opened.
I got very upset and insisted that he did not mention it again.
Jeremy did not mention to me about killing his family until Tuesday 6th August 1985.
I was at my home in Lewisham when Jeremy phoned me about 10pm.
He said to me ‘ Hi honey’ I’ve just phoned up to ask how you are. I said to him I have had a wonderful day at work and that I was really happy and I wanted to make him happy. I asked him how his day had been and he said ‘ As best as can be expected’ as he had spent all day on the tractor; …???… it had been sunny and he had spent all day inside. I assume that he meant he was inside the cab of the tractor all day.
I said to him ‘you sound pissed off’. He said I have been thinking on the tractor and the crime will have to be tonight or never. I told him not to be so stupid and that he was only saying this because he had had a bad day on the tractor. He also told me that he had only just got back from work and had had supper with his parents and Sheila and the twins and that was why he late in phoning me.

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I then continued telling him about my day and dropped the matter concerning his family. I was aware that when he said the word crime he was referring to the killing of his family. I did not believe he could carry it out. I remember that he told me that he had been on the phone 17 minutes and I said words to the effect ‘oh I am sorry do you want me to go now’ he just said that he hadn’t got anything else to say. We both said goodbye and put the phone down. I remember now that he said words to the effect that I might be hearing from him later. I thought nothing of this.
I believe that prior to Jeremy phoning me up I had been smoking marijuana and I suppose because of this I was quite flippant on the phone with Jeremy.
I suppose I went to be that night about 11:15pm time.
In the early hours of the morning, I have since found out from a friend of mine, Susan Battersby who was with me then, it was about 3:15am, I was woken up by another house mate Douglas Dale who told me that Jeremy was on the telephone. I got out of bed and went to the phone on the landing and said hello. I felt very dozy and I suppose I was only half awake. He said everything is going well, not to worry there is something wrong at the farm.
I told him sleepily to go back to bed and he said bye honey I love you lots. I then put the phone down. I particularly remember the phrase ‘everything is going well’ I then got into bed and laid there for a few minutes when I suddenly came to my senses and realised what he had said

I have no idea why you're telling me all that - it's nothing to do with what I said.

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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #458 on: September 25, 2017, 10:59:PM »
I can't help what other people do. I have access to a lot of statements, which are actually the words of the people involved. Books are largely based on the opinion of others who weren't involved.

Everyone has access to statements.

A lot have acclaimed books to.
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #459 on: September 25, 2017, 11:02:PM »
Everyone has access to statements.

A lot have acclaimed books to.

Well if you have access to a statement by Julie Mugford saying that she didn't want to go to the funeral, please link to it.
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #460 on: September 25, 2017, 11:02:PM »
Anything you've said is just your opinion, and I disagree with your opinion. Why do you think you're allowed to talk about it and I'm not?

Never said you're not allowed to speak. Just that everyone gets it.

You believe you would have acted diffetently to Julie in her situation & at her age.
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #461 on: September 25, 2017, 11:02:PM »
What are you talking about? My post was addressing a post where it was suggested that Julie gradually became suspicious about Jeremy - that's why I asked that question. I don't understand your post at all.

Clearly not, as your numerous posts show  ::)
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #462 on: September 25, 2017, 11:03:PM »
Never said you're not allowed to speak. Just that everyone gets it.

You believe you would have acted diffetently to Julie in her situation & at her age.

You think that others aren't repeating themselves and/or guessing how she felt? If you and others continue to defend her, excuse her, and portray her as a victim, of course I'll contradict you.

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« Reply #463 on: September 25, 2017, 11:04:PM »
Clearly not, as your numerous posts show  ::)

Clearly not what? I think you've lost the plot.

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« Reply #464 on: September 25, 2017, 11:06:PM »
Well if you have access to a statement by Julie Mugford saying that she didn't want to go to the funera, please link to it.

I've already given you a good source.

From an acclaimed book. It is saying Julie testified this. So Bamber & dozens of people were there in court.

Has anyone denied it ? No.

Has Julie denied it ? No.

Has Bamber denied it ? No.
 
No further source needed. You are just trying to discredit it because it defeats you're criticism that Julie went to the funeral.
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