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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #435 on: September 25, 2017, 10:19:PM »
You have completely lost the plot now
Why don't you go and play with Stephanie as you two are so a like

But you're not denying it, are you?

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« Reply #436 on: September 25, 2017, 10:20:PM »
Maggie I completely agree, Kaldin is a wonderful asset to the forum. Now we just need Jan back

Kaldin just goes on about Julie. As you do.

I have given Kaldin a list of incriminating evidence but still only Julie is discussed. Ditto you.
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #437 on: September 25, 2017, 10:21:PM »
She did have a mind of her own.

She used it to spend 20 days with Bamber. Upon his request & pleading.

Then told 5 people, completed a WS & testified.

Oh & she has 'made up her mind' not to retract a word of what she did.

This business of him pleading with her doesn't ring true to me. How come he then dumped her, or at least suddenly decided he didn't want her around any more?

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« Reply #438 on: September 25, 2017, 10:23:PM »
How do you know that? She made money from the cannabis, and she got some nice things from the cheque fraud. That was nothing to do with Jeremy - she did it with her mate, Susan.

You know for sure she kept the money, do you? Yes she bought something nice for Jeremy. Jeremy had dared her to do it. Said she was a "goody goody"?

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« Reply #439 on: September 25, 2017, 10:26:PM »
This business of him pleading with her doesn't ring true to me. How come he then dumped her, or at least suddenly decided he didn't want her around any more?

Well he rang her 3 times in 7 hours. Then whisked her over to WHF.

As you said Julie accompanied Bamber on his jolly ups. She certainly didn't plead with him to go. As you have said about Julie, Bamber could have just said 'no'.

Anyway I gave you a source that Bamber 'begged' Julie to attend the funeral. You did not accept it.
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #440 on: September 25, 2017, 10:33:PM »
JM apparently dismissed JB's late night phone call and told him to go back to sleep which is hardly the actions of a woman in thrall and obsession to him.

She did but according to her statement, and the facts, she ended the phone call with words to the effect "bye honey" to which Jeremy replied "love you lots" (or words to that effect).

But by around 5.50 in the morning - just a couple of hours later - she was dressed and ready for the police to pick her up.

These actions could indeed suggest she was under Bambers spell.
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« Reply #441 on: September 25, 2017, 10:36:PM »
She did but according to her statement she ended the phone call with words to the effect "bye honey" to which Jeremy replied "love you lots" (or words to that effect).

But by around 5.50 in the morning - just a couple of hours later - she was dressed and ready for the police to pick her up.

These actions could indeed suggest she was under Bambers spell.

If Bamber rings her & says 'don't go to work. A police car is coming to pick you up', it's not surprising Julie would get dressed.
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #442 on: September 25, 2017, 10:38:PM »
You know for sure she kept the money, do you? Yes she bought something nice for Jeremy. Jeremy had dared her to do it. Said she was a "goody goody"?

She spent some of the cannabis money on herself. She said Jeremy asked her sell it, but yet again she could have said no. I don't get why you seem to think that he was controlling her - he didn't have some kind of probe attached to her you know.

She got the idea of the cheque fraud from someone at college, and it was Susan who decided they should do it. Was Julie just a complete idiot who just did what everyone else told her? I don't think so. She virtually stole items from shops and was proud of what she did.

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« Reply #443 on: September 25, 2017, 10:39:PM »
Well he rang her 3 times in 7 hours. Then whisked her over to WHF.

As you said Julie accompanied Bamber on his jolly ups. She certainly didn't plead with him to go. As you have said about Julie, Bamber could have just said 'no'.

Anyway I gave you a source that Bamber 'begged' Julie to attend the funeral. You did not accept it.

Why would Jeremy have said no? You didn't give a proper source - you said it came from a book.

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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #444 on: September 25, 2017, 10:41:PM »
Kaldin just goes on about Julie. As you do.

I have given Kaldin a list of incriminating evidence but still only Julie is discussed. Ditto you.

This thread is about Julie isn't it? Why wouldn't I discuss her? You're going on about her as well.

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« Reply #445 on: September 25, 2017, 10:43:PM »
Why would Jeremy have said no? You didn't give a proper source - you said it came from a book.

He would have said no so he can live his dream of being a play boy on his jolly ups. But needed Julie close by in the immediate aftermath of the massacre.

I gave you the page number & quote. As I said both guilters & supporters quote & accept books on here as sources.  You should as well.
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« Reply #446 on: September 25, 2017, 10:44:PM »
He would have said no so he can live his dream of being a play boy on his jolly ups. But needed Julie close by in the immediate aftermath of the massacre.

I gave you the page number & quote. As I said both guilters & supporters quote & accept books on here as sources.  You should as well.

Why should I accept "evidence" from books just because others do? I'm my own person. Did Julie say that or not? If she did, can you point to a statement where she said it?

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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #447 on: September 25, 2017, 10:47:PM »
I agree, but why would she have told the police that Jeremy had told her he was responsible on 7th August?

Julie Mugford stated -

8th August

"Killing his family again. He not mentioned this for about 2 months. He said that his original plan was not fool proof because of the drugs and he didn’t know how to administer it. He said he thought about getting cyanide but wherever he got it would be recorded. He then said that as they lived on a farm it might be acceptable but then he dismissed that idea. I remember that I made a joke about the house saying that he couldn’t burn it down because it was so beautiful. He said he had changed his mind about burning it down because it might have been seen too quickly and the evidence would not have been destroyed.
He also dismissed the fire because there were valuables in the house which would be lost. He told me the house insurance was low. He mentioned about a pigeon clock and china and silver which he thought were valuable. He said that the only other way that he could do it was to shoot them. He told me that he was always thinking about it on his tractor.
He said he had to plan it so it was fool proof. He was trying to find a way of getting in and out of the house without trace as the outside doors were always locked. This was all he said at that stage and he would have to think more about it
Why should I accept "evidence" from books just because others do? I'm my own person. Did Julie say that or not? If she did, can you point to a statement where she said it?
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About June 1985 whilst I was out in the car with Jeremy he told me that he was being pressurised by his parents and he hoped that Sheila was coming to stay. He said that he would use a cycle to do it and would do a trial run to see how long it would take. He thought it would take………..?? (The rest of this page is missing, it looks like she could be saying 15 minutes to me)."http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1647



You are clearly cherry picking parts of the evidence to suit your agenda
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Re: A New Approach
« Reply #448 on: September 25, 2017, 10:48:PM »
She spent some of the cannabis money on herself. She said Jeremy asked her sell it, but yet again she could have said no. I don't get why you seem to think that he was controlling her - he didn't have some kind of probe attached to her you know.

She got the idea of the cheque fraud from someone at college, and it was Susan who decided they should do it. Was Julie just a complete idiot who just did what everyone else told her? I don't think so. She virtually stole items from shops and was proud of what she did.

Why don't you read the statement re the cheque book fraud. It was Julie who persuaded Susan. Jeremy said she was a goody two shoes who would never do anything dishonest. She did it to impress him. She was in love. Women in love have been known to do stupid things. Your comment on the probe may NOT be as far fetched as you think, after all, she said, quite openly that he'd taught her sex like never before!

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« Reply #449 on: September 25, 2017, 10:50:PM »
This thread is about Julie isn't it? Why wouldn't I discuss her? You're going on about her as well.

Well over the last few days you've made you're point.

In you're view you would have acted differently to Julie at her age & in her situation -

Not gone to the funeral.

Not worn a veil.

Not bought a dress.

Acted diffetently when Bamber woke her at 3am.

Totally cut off from Bamber on the 7th August 1985.


Obviously what you believe you would have done means nothing. Put 100 20 year old women in her situation & there will ne a 100 different reactions.
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