A New Approach

[JackieD]

You seem to be jealous of her because you never shut up about her.

Seriously Jackie, you really haven't thought out your ideas about Julie ID'ing the bodies. Teachers, were in London, social workers were in London, anyone who looked after them as a so called 'foster carer' did so when they were younger. They needed someone who could tell them apart, Jones was pushing for someone to ID the bodies, Colin refused, Jeremy refused, Heather was discounted so Julie offered. 

I won't even bother commenting on the last point, because if Julie ID'd the bodies knowing that Jeremy killed them, then he's guilty and had done far worse than she!

this was not a murder enquiry and the police accepted sheila was responsible at that time

just to make it crystal clear there was no need for the bodies to identified immediately
there was plenty of time to bring any number of people to identify the bodies

if the trainee school teacher knew of any murder plans she would NOT have offered to view 2 babies with gun shots in their heads

mugford wanted to view these babies for some sick reason only some head doctor would understand

[Jane]

this was not a murder enquiry and the police accepted sheila was responsible at that time

just to make it crystal clear there was no need for the bodies to identified immediately
there was plenty of time to bring any number of people to identify the bodies

if the trainee school teacher knew of any murder plans she would NOT have offered to view 2 babies with gun shots in their heads

mugford wanted to view these babies for some sick reason only some head doctor would understand

SO Jeremy has to be released because some woman on a forum says it wasn't necessary for the boys to be identified at the time. An unknown female demands that it was wrong to allow Julie to identify them. I mean, who the hell would care if the pathologist was kept waiting, and all because an unknown woman 30+ years down the line will be jealous of Julie's one time closeness to Jeremy.


Stop referring to them as "babies". They were schoolboys and I'll bet they'd have hated to be referred to as "babies".

[JackieD]

SO Jeremy has to be released because some woman on a forum says it wasn't necessary for the boys to be identified at the time. An unknown female demands that it was wrong to allow Julie to identify them. I mean, who the hell would care if the pathologist was kept waiting, and all because an unknown woman 30+ years down the line will be jealous of Julie's one time closeness to Jeremy.


Stop referring to them as "babies". They were schoolboys and I'll bet they'd have hated to be referred to as "babies".

if i want to call them babies i will

[Jane]

if i want to call them babies i will

'COURSE you will..................don't know what you think it adds to anything, though, other than playing the  "playing on sentiments" card. IF it has any effect, it'll be the one of making Jeremy's crime infinitely more vile.

[Caroline]

this was not a murder enquiry and the police accepted sheila was responsible at that time

just to make it crystal clear there was no need for the bodies to identified immediately
there was plenty of time to bring any number of people to identify the bodies

if the trainee school teacher knew of any murder plans she would NOT have offered to view 2 babies with gun shots in their heads

mugford wanted to view these babies for some sick reason only some head doctor would understand

You think there was no need, but you aren't qualified to make such a claim and Jones was pushing for it. Venenzis would have needed the twins identified before he could do their autopsy. I won't even comment on your last point, it's not worthy of a response!

[Kaldin]

I did agree with Kaldin yesterday.

That Julie covered for a murderer for 20 days. Although the police hadn't exactly detained her for 48 hours & interrogated her gestapo style during this time.

Bamber didn't need to bring Julie over on the massacre morning & testified he was wrong to do so. Ditto asking Julie to accompany him during his partying. However he did this,  which gave Julie
no chance of approaching the police.

Julie didn't need to accept his invitations though.

[Kaldin]

I agree Jane.

I have read numerous posts on here regarding the effects of grief and how people behave differently. Why are posters now choosing to ignore this fact I wonder?

If you read some of the posts (projections) made re JM's behaviours I think you'll find they are more telling about the author than of JM.

JM couldn't win either way with certain folks. If she hadn't identified the bodies and strangers had (ie; social workers) she would have been vilified for that.

My circumstances were different to JM's but simarly we were both duped by dangerous con men who murdered.

You only have to read back through some of the comments made following SH's confession to see this kind of behaviour by certain people is common theme. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.30.html

She wasn't duped though - according to her, he told her the same day that he'd hired someone to do the murders. How is that duping her?

[Kaldin]

You seem to be jealous of her because you never shut up about her.

Seriously Jackie, you really haven't thought out your ideas about Julie ID'ing the bodies. Teachers, were in London, social workers were in London, anyone who looked after them as a so called 'foster carer' did so when they were younger. They needed someone who could tell them apart, Jones was pushing for someone to ID the bodies, Colin refused, Jeremy refused, Heather was discounted so Julie offered. 

I won't even bother commenting on the last point, because if Julie ID'd the bodies knowing that Jeremy killed them, then he's guilty and had done far worse than she!

Julie requested that she went to see the bodies, and her reason was quite different to the one you're offering up.

[guest2181]

She wasn't duped though - according to her, he told her the same day that he'd hired someone to do the murders. How is that duping her?

He didn't hire anybody though. 

How is that not duping her?

[Kaldin]

He didn't hire anybody though. 

How is that not duping her?

She wasn't duped into thinking that he was not responsible, and he didn't dupe her into thinking that Sheila had done it.

[guest2181]

She wasn't duped into thinking that he was not responsible, and he didn't dupe her into thinking that Sheila had done it.

But he did dupe her in to 'possibly' thinking that MM did it.

[Steve_uk]

She wasn't duped into thinking that he was not responsible, and he didn't dupe her into thinking that Sheila had done it.

Her rationale was that she wanted to keep him out of prison, pure and simple. Of course in her alter ego there may have been other considerations.

[Kaldin]

Her rationale was that she wanted to keep him out of prison, pure and simple. Of course in her alter ego there may have been other considerations.

Fine, but it's not true to say that she was duped, as was claimed.

[Kaldin]

But he did dupe her in to 'possibly' thinking that MM did it.

What difference does it make? Are you saying it would have been fine if MM had done it on the instructions of Jeremy?

[Jane]

Julie didn't need to accept his invitations though.

Your world comes over as being one which is very strictly black or white. That being so, it's understandable that you believe "Julie didn't need to.................." Life is rarely that simple where human emotions are involved. Taken into account must be out past experiences ie what we were told we should do, balanced against what we saw being demonstrated. How we value ourselves ie what we learned of ourselves from our parents. Once again, it's probably necessary for me to stress that I'M NOT CONDONING, I'm simply looking rather deeper than the surface in order to understand.