A New Approach

[JackieD]

How far in meters was Julie Mugford? Your suggestion as per usual, is ludicrous.

Answer the bloody question as you are suggesting all people capable of identifying the bodies were two far away

Or are you making stuff up as usual

[Caroline]

Answer the bloody question as you are suggesting all people capable of identifying the bodies were two far away

Or are you making stuff up as usual

I have answered the question, you don't seem to be able to grasp the simple concept of 'Julie was there in front of them, willing and able to identify the twins'. She was THERE!!!!!!!!!

[Adam]

You obviously know that ?? Or another guess

No the relatives didn't  bother much with the Bamber family until they saw money up for grabs

Jeremy was unlucky that the relatives tried to & succeeded in framing him.

[Kaldin]

Kaldin there is a lots on the thread about Julie Mugford offering to identify the bodies Of The 3 adults and two babies although she wasn't a close relative and there were numerous other people who could have done this

Teachers, social workers, foster parents

A defining moment in the case

We are led to believe she is an intelligent human being???
Can anyone really believe she would do this if they knew the person she was sleeping with was responsible

As we know Julie was a prolific liar and if this points strongly to the fact Julie lied about what she knew and witnessed what else is left in this case to point at Jeremy

I agree that it was a very strange thing to do. Apparently, she wanted to make sure they didn't "suffer" presumably so she could carry on protecting Jeremy and tell herself that it was fine to overlook a few murders.

[Caroline]

I agree that it was a very strange thing to do. Apparently, she wanted to make sure they didn't "suffer" presumably so she could carry on protecting Jeremy and tell herself that it was fine to overlook a few murders.

I still find this an odd way to look at things. If Julie is all that, then Jeremy is guilty and you (and a few others) are vilifying her more than him. I can understand someone defending Bamber because they think he's innocent, but not the above approach. 

[Adam]

I agree that it was a very strange thing to do. Apparently, she wanted to make sure they didn't "suffer" presumably so she could carry on protecting Jeremy and tell herself that it was fine to overlook a few murders.

You have got it in for Julie -

She wore a veil at the funeral.

She wasn't interested in Bamber's 3am call to her.

She started telling other people after 20 days. Rather than within 1 minute of arriving at WHF.

Now you are on the identifying the bodies bandwagon.


Thought you were going to discuss the evidence. Or rather hoped. Obviously Julie's actions makes Bamber innocent. And the unluckiest man ever.

[JackieD]

I have answered the question, you don't seem to be able to grasp the simple concept of 'Julie was there in front of them, willing and able to identify the twins'. She was THERE!!!!!!!!!

You don't seem to grasp the implications of the word 'willing'

[Caroline]

You don't seem to grasp the implications of the word 'willing'

Then you had better explain them to me?

[JackieD]

Answer the bloody question as you are suggesting all people capable of identifying the bodies were two far away

Or are you making stuff up as usual

Answer the question

[Stephanie]

I still find this an odd way to look at things. If Julie is all that, then Jeremy is guilty and you (and a few others) are vilifying her more than him. I can understand someone defending Bamber because they think he's innocent, but not the above approach. 

It's very simple really Caroline; H G TUdor sums it up well in his work...



"Hello,

Welcome to Knowing the Narcissist.

I am H G Tudor. I am a narcissistic sociopath (some state psychopath – this remains a matter of debate by the profession concerning the current application of sociopath or psychopath).

By my terminology I am a Greater Elite Narcissist. You will learn here what that means along with all about the other types of narcissists and empaths too.

I convey this is an effective manner based on my perspective. I know what I am and I know the best way to communicate this to you. I am a very effective communicator.

I write extensively about what this means and what I am. I have practised this dark art for many years, I have honed and crafted my abilities. I am aware of what I am and I am engaged in understanding why I am this way and why I act as I do. I am sharing these ongoing revelations.

I know my kind in considerable detail. I have several family members who are narcissists and have engaged with numerous in my life. I know the way my kind think, why we act as we do, say what we say and so much more. I understand why we target our victims and how we go about it. I comprehend why our victims think and act as they do. I have had many, watched many and listened to many. This allows me to build a formidable body of knowledge about not only my kind, but the people we engage with. https://narcsite.com/about/

[Kaldin]

You have got it in for Julie -

She wore a veil at the funeral.

She wasn't interested in Bamber's 3am call to her.

She started telling other people after 20 days. Rather than within 1 minute of arriving at WHF.

Now you are on the identifying the bodies bandwagon.


Thought you were going to discuss the evidence. Or rather hoped. Obviously Julie's actions makes Bamber innocent. And the unluckiest man ever.

Why shouldn't I disapprove of her? She covered up for him for a whole month and she carried on sharing her life with him. If she'd run off to London in a state, not seen him after that, and then come forward a month later, I might have understood that, but she didn't.

[Caroline]

Answer the question

Jesus woman! Whats wrong with you? I have answered the bloody question - you don't seem to know what the hell you're talking about. It's a dumb question to start with and the answer is obvious unless you're a card carrying Julie hater!

[JackieD]

Then you had better explain them to me?

The vast majority of people on this forum believe Julie lied from start to finish about Jeremy's involvement in the murders

A highly intelligent person like Julie would never have stepped foot in that mortuary knowing what she supposedly knew

It never happened.

[Kaldin]

I still find this an odd way to look at things. If Julie is all that, then Jeremy is guilty and you (and a few others) are vilifying her more than him. I can understand someone defending Bamber because they think he's innocent, but not the above approach. 

I just don't like the way she's portrayed as a "victim" and/or a heroine.

[JackieD]

I have answered the question, you don't seem to be able to grasp the simple concept of 'Julie was there in front of them, willing and able to identify the twins'. She was THERE!!!!!!!!!

Answer the question for gods sake
Answer how far away the others were located

The people were dead, stone dead and did not need to be identify Ed immediately

Try grasping that