Why didn't Taff Jones tell Bamber & the relatives about Nevill's call ?

[buddy]

Can you honestly see Sheila leaving her fathers head in the coal skuttle.

And weren't his PJ bottoms part way down?

I could say why would Jeremy do that. If his aim was just to kill everyone Why was Ralph the only one
to be humiliated.

[Jaycad73]

In the absence of physical forensic evidence, police forces often use psychological practices in helping them determine a criminals profile.

It assumes that criminals commit crimes in a consistent and distinctive manner.

Therefore the crime scene can often offer up clues as to the offenders behaviours and personality.

Was this the case in 1985 though? I seem to remember police involved in the Rachel Nickell case in 1990 (i think) stating that there was a general mistrust of the 'Cracker' type criminal profiler and there seemed to be a hint of 'told you so' when the profiler (whose name escapes me) was the scapegoat for the wrongful conviction of Colin Stagg. The initial investigation seemed like it was based on 'hunches' to me!
I find modern criminal profiling intriguing-in particular the work of Dr David Canter.

[Adam]

how does where nevile fell relate to who did it.

Because 6.4 Nevill wouldn't fall all that way down and fall face first on top of a coal scuttle. Without knocking it over. That was impossible.

Chairs and stools had been knocked over & the table was too high.

Bamber needed something to get Nevill's upper body partially off the floor.  So he could pull his pyjama top up and  burn his back as well as  shoot him three more times in the head.

The coal scuttle was available.
 

[Stephanie]

Was this the case in 1985 though? I seem to remember police involved in the Rachel Nickell case in 1990 (i think) stating that there was a general mistrust of the 'Cracker' type criminal profiler and there seemed to be a hint of 'told you so' when the profiler (whose name escapes me) was the scapegoat for the wrongful conviction of Colin Stagg. The initial investigation seemed like it was based on 'hunches' to me!
I find modern criminal profiling intriguing-in particular the work of Dr David Canter.

Paul Brittan. Mr Brittan was also involved with the Simon Hall case, along with another profiler, whose name I can't remember now either.

Re Rachel Nickell. There's no doubting there was controversy surrounding his involvement, as indeed there was surrounding who was to be held accountable for the wrongful conviction that followed.

There's no denying that police practices and procedures have moved on considerably since 1985 but applying today's principles to the crime scene and indeed the offender, I cannot understand why people cannot see Jeremy's guilt?

Maybe someone like Professor Canter could help put Bambers claims of innocence to bed?

[Adam]

I could say why would Jeremy do that. If his aim was just to kill everyone Why was Ralph the only one
to be humiliated.

Nevill wasn't humiliated more than the others. He was just shot three more times after getting downstairs and fighting back.

Nevill's back was burnt to check for signs of life as Nevill had put up huge resistance.

Bamber couldn't start burning everyone's back to check for signs of life. It would look calculated. Especially Sheila who was supposed to have killed herself.

[Stephanie]

Nevill wasn't humiliated more than the others. He was just shot three more times after getting downstairs. Nevill's back was burnt to check for signs of life as Nevill had put up huge resistance.

Bamber couldn't start burning everyone's back to check for signs of life. Especially Sheila who was supposed to have killed herself.

I agree Adam. Any murder, like in this case, shows no respect for human life.

[Roch]

I agree Adam. Any murder, like in this case, shows no respect for human life.

Sheila cannot be blamed for showing no respect for human life. Her religious delusions rendered her as lacking capacity. Like Reginald Caffell stated, she thought she was The Devil.

[Adam]

Sheila would not have the strenght to lift Nevill off the floor and place him on a coal scuttle .

[Reader]

. . . for the wrongful conviction of Colin Stagg.

Colin Stagg was charged with the murder of Rachel Nickell, but acquitted (the court threw the case out). The police didn't apologize to Colin Stagg until someone else had been convicted of the murder.

[Roch]

Sheila would not have the strenght to lift Nevill off the floor and place him on a coal scuttle .

So part of Jeremy's plan to stage the scene in the farmhouse and frame his sister for the murders... was to suggest that she committed a feat that was beyond her physical capabilities?  Also to suggest that she wished to humiliate him (pyjamas)?

Have you ever wondered if he toppled either due to his own injuries and momentum or by some other external force?  Like TFG smashing their way in to the farmhouse?

[Stephanie]

So part of Jeremy's plan to stage the scene in the farmhouse and frame his sister for the murders... was to suggest that she committed a feat that was beyond her physical capabilities?  Also to suggest that she wished to humiliate him (pyjamas)?

Have you ever wondered if he toppled either due to his own injuries and momentum or by some other external force?  Like TFG smashing their way in to the farmhouse?

Yes to your first question.

Though Jeremy chose to leave the pyjama bottoms as they were, however they may have come down. His choice to leave them as they were could suggest he wanted to humiliate his father, alternatively it could suggest he had no respect for his father - or indeed both. He could have also been in a hurry to phone Julie.

Can you honestly see Sheila leaving her fathers head in the coal skuttle.

And weren't his PJ bottoms part way down?

and No to the second Roch.

Isn't it suggested Jeremy had/has OCD? I don't believe he had OCD I believe he was/is meticulous and controlling not unlike Gordon Park.

[Jane]

So part of Jeremy's plan to stage the scene in the farmhouse and frame his sister for the murders... was to suggest that she committed a feat that was beyond her physical capabilities?  Also to suggest that she wished to humiliate him (pyjamas)?

Have you ever wondered if he toppled either due to his own injuries and momentum or by some other external force?  Like TFG smashing their way in to the farmhouse?

Yes, I believe it was Jeremy's plan to stage the scene in the farmhouse and frame his sister for the murders. What I DON'T believe is that such was at the forefront of his mind whilst he was in the process of killing because I think his focus would have been on their elimination before all else. Whatever it was he was experiencing would have taken precedence -at the time he was doing it- over making it look as if it was Sheila's work.

[Adam]

So part of Jeremy's plan to stage the scene in the farmhouse and frame his sister for the murders... was to suggest that she committed a feat that was beyond her physical capabilities?  Also to suggest that she wished to humiliate him (pyjamas)?

Have you ever wondered if he toppled either due to his own injuries and momentum or by some other external force?  Like TFG smashing their way in to the farmhouse?

Having to chase, fight, shoot 7 times and burn Nevill's back was not part of the plan. But  he had no choice to do all of these. 

He had no time to consider whether Nevill's position would incriminate him.

[Roch]

Yes, I believe it was Jeremy's plan to stage the scene in the farmhouse and frame his sister for the murders. What I DON'T believe is that such was at the forefront of his mind whilst he was in the process of killing because I think his focus would have been on their elimination before all else. Whatever it was he was experiencing would have taken precedence -at the time he was doing it- over making it look as if it was Sheila's work.

If I was a guilter - I would have answered my question exactly as you have above.

[Roch]

Having to chase, fight, shoot 7 times and burn Nevill's back was not part of the plan. But  he had no choice to do all of these. 

He had no time to consider whether Nevill's position would incriminate him.

That is similar to what Jane has posted.