Re - Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:

[JackiePreece]

There's no denying your suggestions of wanting to understand me are personal Steve. But deny away..
And continue to victimize me as much you are capable but as I said a long time ago; you can fool some of the people some of the time.. But you never fooled me. Is that what this is all about? Rejection?

Do you not realise that many people who believe Jeremy is innocent are on the whole far more knowledgeable about the case than you  or have first hand experience of speaking with Jeremy or have studied the case notes thoroughly
Ewen Smith, Barbara,  NGB, Simon McKay, and Mark Williams Thomas to name a few

On you own admission you say you were completely duped by Simon and have even tried to make excuses for his crimes

In all your thousands of posts there has not been a single post that has changed my stance on the case

For me it's a simple case involving a very very poorly young girl

[JackiePreece]

As I said Jackiepreece:

And I repeat;

What people like you see as the truth and what people like me see as the truth are very different things Jackiepreece.

I do not want people like Jeremy Bamber to win his freedom because of a technicality, even though he's guilty.

Jeremy Bamber will no doubt continue to win over the minds of others and recruit like minded people, but he will never be released from prison!

I see Jeremy Bamber for what he is, as do many others and indeed the courts.

Jeremy Bamber has a distorted and inflated sense of himself. He also has a hard time seeing others points of view and he is unable to see the flaws in his own thinking. These are not uncommon personality traits.

People like Jeremy Bamber find it impossible to admit when they are wrong. They resort to blaming others for their crimes as they are unable to self reflect.

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I have and will always look for the truth. Why do you continually post comparisons with the Simon Hall case as they are not similar

Maybe you should be directing your 'theories' to Ewan Smith and Ngb etc etc

You have no idea if Jeremy will ever be released

You have no idea what goes on in the background and I have never been recruited like yourself.  I have no personal interest in this case but firmly believe Jeremy is innocent and has never been known to violent

[JackiePreece]

To whom are you referring-Julie or Stephanie?

Sheila

[Stephanie]

I have no personal interest in this case but firmly believe Jeremy is innocent and has never been known to violent

Jeremy Bamber, by his own admissions, was violent towards Julie Mugford.

There was the incident when he punched her in the face (Nose) and the incident when he attempted to strangle her. Both of which he minimalised. Which I imagine his supporters will also do.

Violence is violence Jackiepreece, however you dress it up.

Then there is the incident in jail where he smashed up his cell.

I'm in no doubt there are many more..

[lookout]

Yes,you could clearly see the marks of his violence on her body as she posed for the NOTW !

Let's not forget her part in their " turbulent " relationship when she tried to suffocate him,with a threat thrown in for good measure. The throwing of objects which could have done damage if he hadn't ducked out of the way.The temper tantrum in the shop when she began throwing soap at him.
One thing I hadn't noted was that he hadn't retaliated. Not many men wouldn't have !

His sister made up for the violence in the family !

[Stephanie]

Yes,you could clearly see the marks of his violence on her body as she posed for the NOTW !

Let's not forget her part in their " turbulent " relationship when she tried to suffocate him,with a threat thrown in for good measure. The throwing of objects which could have done damage if he hadn't ducked out of the way.The temper tantrum in the shop when she began throwing soap at him.
One thing I hadn't noted was that he hadn't retaliated. Not many men wouldn't have !

His sister made up for the violence in the family !

Once again Lookout, you are making excuses, blaming others and attempting to dismiss the facts.

Jeremy Bamber admits to the police during interview his violence towards JM.

I've got news for you,I rarely read them.

See what I mean Justice 

[lookout]

Once again Lookout, you are making excuses, blaming others and attempting to dismiss the facts.

Jeremy Bamber admits to the police during interview his violence towards JM.

See what I mean Justice 

Not excuses-----the truth.It's you who's trying your best to sling as much mud at JB as you possibly can. Would it not be a poor show, me being a supporter,if I ignored your unfounded accusations ? This is why I come back at you.Haven't you fathomed that out yet ?

[JackiePreece]

Jeremy Bamber, by his own admissions, was violent towards Julie Mugford.

There was the incident when he punched her in the face (Nose) and the incident when he attempted to strangle her. Both of which he minimalised. Which I imagine his supporters will also do.

Violence is violence Jackiepreece, however you dress it up.

Then there is the incident in jail where he smashed up his cell.

I'm in no doubt there are many more..

He was not a violent person
Fact
And certainly did not have a criminal conviction for violence

[JackiePreece]

This is a myth Roch.

Jeremy Bamber did stage the crime scene in the hope of getting away with murder.

Just because someone changes their mind regarding an opinion, doesn't make the facts any less clearer, especially when seen in there entirety.

Forensic expert Tiernan Coyle wrote to the COA following SH's appeal being upheld in 2011. His letter was lengthy and referred to his findings. Not only didn't he agree with the fibre evidence in the prosecution case he went further suggesting the clothing worn by the offender/s was made of a tracksuit type material. Can't remember his exact description. But he was wrong, and like many others experts, put his reputation on the line.

I have often wondered why the public didn't make more of SH's confession and why so many people, including experts, appeared to focus on his confession having been made due to his alleged mental health at the time or that his confession was false due to some other reason.

I've wondered if the reason more wasn't made of SH's confession could have been down to ego's? So many professionals were involved in his case over the years; all of them of course wrong. But none of them, apart from David Jessel, ever spoke out publicly of having been duped; of their findings having been wrong.

None of them ever redacted their findings over the years? None of them ever reviewed their findings as far as I am aware. Therefore there is a wealth of material in the public domain that is not only misleading it is wrong. The same applies to other cases.

And the thing is, over the years people (Including experts) change their minds. But when they change their minds these changes aren't made a big deal of nor placed in the public domain, therefore only their original comments are available. Which again can be misleading and wrong.

'DID'

Were you at the murder scene Stephanie ?

Or did you mistype and should have typed could?

[David1819]

'DID'

Were you at the murder scene Stephanie ?

Or did you mistype and should have typed could?

Stephanie has a habit of claiming things as fact when they are anything but.

Here is a good example. When the subject was on Jeremy leaving the rifle out.

There's no getting away from this fact. Not one shred of guilt from him in 32 years over this crucial point of fact. Not an iota of regret!


And I guarantee there isn't a single letter in existence (Written to a supporter/or anyone else for that matter) where he has ever mentioned his remorse or carelessness for having left the gun and ammunition out.

[lookout]

Stephanie has a habit of claiming things as fact when they are anything but.

Here is a good example. When the subject was on Jeremy leaving the rifle out.

And Jeremy didn't have to disclose that did he ? Although he still would in light of what went on and also knowing what he now knows------------because he's honest,that's why.

[JackiePreece]

And Jeremy didn't have to disclose that did he ? Although he still would in light of what went on and also knowing what he now knows------------because he's honest,that's why.

Lookout as we ALL know on here Jeremy was found guilty on the weakest of circumstantial evidence

[lookout]

Lookout as we ALL know on here Jeremy was found guilty on the weakest of circumstantial evidence

Made up accusations like we see on here ! All because nobody liked him.Ring any bells ??

[maggie]

WARNING!!

I have removed posts from this thread yet again, I am fed up with the continual abusive posts between a few people on the forum.

May I suggest yet again that IF you don't want to read another person's posts please put them on ignore, reply to the thread subject NOT the poster or just simply tolerate other people's opinions without taking them personally. 

If this abuse continues I shall start banning because I have requested over and over again for posters to stop being so personal and no one has taken the slightest notice of me.

I try to let the forum run and I am generally pretty tolerant but I am bored out of my mind wasting my time reading petty, childish posts which are no more than slanging matches.

[mike tesko]

Professor Herbert Leon McDonnell was right in his findings, that's the way I see it - Sheila had not killed herself, she was killed by another. But like he said in one of his reports, although he was certain that Bambers sister had not taken her own life, in other words that somebody else had shot and killed her, he did say that there is no evidence to indicate that Jeremy had been the person responsible for her death. I have agreed with this finding from a very early stage of my involvement with this case. I don't believe Sheila shot herself, I believe she was shot...