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Offline Caroline

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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2016, 10:21:PM »
so by the birmingham 6 would of been classed as pyscopaths.

Eh?
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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2016, 10:23:PM »
So your opinion depends on me? Weird!

No, my opinion depends on the absence of a convincing argument (From everyone)

The only person to give me a convincing argument was Scipio, however later on when reading (Gunshot Wounds - Practical Aspects Of Firearms Ballistics & Forensic Techniques) where Vincent J. DiMaio mentions a study that flaws the argument. Then I went back on the fence

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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2016, 10:26:PM »
well skips arguments would of been convinceing if they wernt made up on the spot.

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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2016, 11:09:PM »
No, my opinion depends on the absence of a convincing argument (From everyone)

The only person to give me a convincing argument was Scipio, however later on when reading (Gunshot Wounds - Practical Aspects Of Firearms Ballistics & Forensic Techniques) where Vincent J. DiMaio mentions a study that flaws the argument. Then I went back on the fence

Good for you - don't get splinters!
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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2016, 11:20:PM »
Good for you - don't get splinters!

Its OK the timber has been properly sanded  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2016, 11:54:PM »
Its OK the timber has been properly sanded  ;D ;D ;D

That's good to hear - it might be susceptible to worms though!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #51 on: March 10, 2016, 06:13:AM »
so by that logic. the birmingham 6 would of been classed as pyscopaths.
Its nothing to do with logic,  read it, the psychiatrist (defence's own psychiatrist it looks like) believes or has belief about him being a psychopath or having committed the murders, believing something is a lot more committing yourself to the assessment.

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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2016, 07:41:AM »
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And it's duly noted Sandra, as usual, failed to give her opinion on Professor Egan

I tried to explain yesterday that several posts were being made at the time - I did not want to cause confusion by just posting anywhere, then I ran out of time. This habit of Stephanie's of drawing negative inferences because it suits her agenda to do so is as transparent as it is wearing.

My opinion of any expert who makes public "professional" diagnoses on cases in which s/he has had no involvement is that that expert is behaving in an unprofessional and unreliable manner, and in so doing, bringing the discipline which they represent into disrepute.

Ian Stephen, Paul Eckman and Vince Egan were all apparently guilty of this in the Luke Mitchell case, since none of them had any direct involvement in the case. I have no idea what involvement Vince Egan has had in the Jeremy Bamber case, and can therefore make no comment on anything he is reported to have said about that case.

However, an experience in 2013 creates a proviso to the above - Aamer Anwar was quoted in the Sun apparently making a specific comment regarding the Luke Mitchell case. When I contacted him, he explained that what he had been asked, and his answers to those questions, had been misrepresented in the article, and he went on to print a clear explanation and correction. Therefore, the quotes attributed to these experts may not be accurate, or may not be an accurate representation of their actual opinions of the cases quoted.

Ian Stephen, however, clung tenaciously to his reported "expert opinion" even when, on film, it was pointed out to him that the quotes on which he based his opinion of LM's psychological state were, in fact, lines from a computer game, and he agreed that he had based his entire opinion on what he had read in the newspapers. How can anyone respect an "expert" opinion made on such a basis?

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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2016, 10:00:AM »
i think in lukes case so called expert opionion was used as a subsitute for actull evedence.

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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2016, 12:18:PM »
I tried to explain yesterday that several posts were being made at the time - I did not want to cause confusion by just posting anywhere, then I ran out of time. This habit of Stephanie's of drawing negative inferences because it suits her agenda to do so is as transparent as it is wearing.

What do you mean 'you ran out of time?' Yet more deflection.. ::)

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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2016, 12:48:PM »
Its nothing to do with logic,  read it, the psychiatrist (defence's own psychiatrist it looks like) believes or has belief about him being a psychopath or having committed the murders, believing something is a lot more committing yourself to the assessment.

It's just a case of accentuating the positive and eliminating the negative  ;) - and AT NO POINT mess with Mr In-between!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2016, 12:52:PM »
My opinion of any expert who makes public "professional" diagnoses on cases in which s/he has had no involvement is that that expert is behaving in an unprofessional and unreliable manner, and in so doing, bringing the discipline which they represent into disrepute.

Yet you posted here - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6640.msg351554.html#msg351554

"For what it's worth, if there is any suggestion that the confession and suicide are linked in any way, as you seem to suggest in your previous post, then it might not be a good idea for you to be discussing any of this publicly."

The above is just one example - I can't be bothered to post anymore nor do I have the time.

Lol - IMHO Sandra you are a hypocrit and my advise to anyone who reads your posts would be to ensure they research everything you post independently in order to establish the facts themselves as opposed to taking your word for it.
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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #57 on: March 10, 2016, 01:07:PM »
It's just a case of accentuating the positive and eliminating the negative  ;) - and AT NO POINT mess with Mr In-between!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

it seemed that beliving you were innocent was a sighn of being a psycopath so by that logic anyone acused of a crime who protests there innonce is one catch 22.

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Re: strange answers to the psycopath test.
« Reply #58 on: March 10, 2016, 01:16:PM »
it seemed that beliving you were innocent was a sighn of being a psycopath so by that logic anyone acused of a crime who protests there innonce is one catch 22.

It would seem that you didn't understand the point - it's not being innocent, it's KNOWING you are GUILTY but not taking responsibility or having any remorse or guilt. Trying to pull the wool to get released and reaping in some compo.
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« Reply #59 on: March 10, 2016, 01:20:PM »
It would seem that you didn't understand the point - it's not being innocent, it's KNOWING you are GUILTY but not taking responsibility or having any remorse or guilt. Trying to pull the wool to get released and reaping in some compo.

the same interpretion could be given to somone who was genuinely innocent.

if you are innocent you cant sow remorse for somthing you dident do.

by the same logigic the birmingham 6 and the guilford 4 could o been labeled pyscopaths.