Palm print on Bloodied Bible?

[Caroline]

Nobody appears to have bloody palms. Unless JB was responsible of course, then he may have had bloody palms.

Sheila did - Venezis said so. I don't see a U stain on the carpet.

[guest2181]

Sheila did - Venezis said so. I don't see a U stain on the carpet.

Oh no he didn't.  :D

Did you click on the link? I was trying not to post too many photo's but see below.

[guest2181]

See:

[Caroline]

See:

Oh yes he did

[David1819]

Oh yes he did

Why did venesiz contradict himself? I cant really read his notes anyway

[Caroline]

Why did venesiz contradict himself? I cant really read his notes anyway

It says - Bloodstained palm print on nightdress. Bloodstains appear to have transfered from R hand
Both hands not contaminatd APART from bloodstains.

Why did he contradict himself? Someone would have to ask him that.

[David1819]

It says - Bloodstained palm print on nightdress. Bloodstains appear to have transfered from R hand
Both hands not contaminatd APART from bloodstains.

Why did he contradict himself? Someone would have to ask him that.

Assuming it is a palm print

if Its Jeremy's that would prove guilt 100% I would say?

But what if its Shelia's? what would that prove?

and what if they are both ruled out? its someone elses  what would that mean?

[Caroline]

Assuming it is a palm print

if Its Jeremy's that would prove guilt 100% I would say?

But what if its Shelia's? what would that prove?

and what if they are both ruled out? its someone elses  what would that mean?

It's not Jeremy's it's too small - it doesn't really mean anything as far as guilt or innocence is concerned but it is an interesting point because if it is Sheila's, her hands weren't clean - Venezis's written notes also add weight to that.

[David1819]

It's not Jeremy's it's too small - it doesn't really mean anything as far as guilt or innocence is concerned but it is an interesting point because if it is Sheila's, her hands weren't clean - Venezis's written notes also add weight to that.

How do you know its too small to be Jeremy's?

[Caroline]

How do you know its too small to be Jeremy's?

Because another member of the forum (Tyler) has the same bible and the dimensions are too small to fit a man's hand on one page. I have small hands and printed off the page to match the same dimensions and my print fits in the same area.

[David1819]

Because another member of the forum (Tyler) has the same bible and the dimensions are too small to fit a man's hand on one page. I have small hands and printed off the page to match the same dimensions and my print fits in the same area.

Its only part of the hand tho. what are the dimensions of a page of that particular bible

[guest2181]

It says - Bloodstained palm print on nightdress. Bloodstains appear to have transfered from R hand
Both hands not contaminatd APART from bloodstains.

Why did he contradict himself? Someone would have to ask him that.

We've obviously had this exchange a dozen times or more. It seems very obvious to me that the blood stains on her night dress transferred from her wrist area of her right hand. Clearly Venizis realised this during his examination and prior to producing his final report.
He is very specific when he states that her palms and fingers were free from blood. He doesn't say that her hands were free from blood.

In order for your bible blood stain to be a Palm print left by Sheila, then her Palm and fingers could not be free from blood. Yet we know that they were.

Therefore, if the stain on the bible is a Palm print (which I very much doubt it to be) then it must belong to somebody other than Sheila.

[Jane]

If the print of the "palm" area wasn't enough to convince me, the curve of the "thumb" most definitely would.

[guest2181]

We can also tell that Sheila didn't move after being shot. We can tell this from the blood patterns and flow from her wounds.

There is no opportunity for her to create a Palm print on the bible, particularly as we know her palms and fingers were free of blood.

I think this is similar to seeing shapes in the clouds, or a long haired Sandle wearing dude on your morning toast.

[Jan]

I don't know what it means to be honest because if it is her print and it was moved and the blood on the carpet did not transfer to the bible does it mean the blood on the carpet was dry ?But did not those drips of blood from Sheilas arm transfer to the bible ? If so that would mean her blood was wet when it was transferred ?