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[mike tesko]

One photo has a flag that says DRH/5 the other photo says DRH/8 and DRH/9 on the flags. Your claim falls apart just looking at your own evidence.

As for Jeapes, it is clear as day that she wasn't at the red/white containment location she was at the white containment location.  You tell us to ignore the fact she said she saw the kitchen door, ignore the fact she said she saw the kitchen window, ignore she said she watched the raid team enter, ignore that the people she replaced had been stationed at the white containment location, ignore... and to pretend that she was looking at the front door all so you can pretend that one of 3 windows that have gray brick around them in the front is the window she saw something in that looked like that looked like it could have been a gun barrel leaning against the window.  It's a wasted effort. Your games have failed you for a long time why do you continue with them?

She could have mistaken the front door for the kitchen door, but one thing is absolutely certain and that is that she could not have been covering white red side if she had only been standing on white side. If she mistook the front door for the kitchen door she would effectively have been standing on red side, with absolutely no opportunity for her to see around corners, nor the box room window...

[scipio_usmc]

She could have mistaken the front door for the kitchen door, but one thing is absolutely certain and that is that she could not have been covering white red side if she had only been standing on white side. If she mistook the front door for the kitchen door she would effectively have been standing on red side, with absolutely no opportunity for her to see around corners, nor the box room window...

In admitting she could not have seen what she clearly stated she saw this means you are confirming she was wrong when she claimed to be at the white/red containment site. 

You want us to pretend she got EVERYTHING wrong EXCEPT the color of the containment location she was at- she got the people she relieved wrong, she got the people to her right wrong, she got it wrong that she was looking at the kitchen door, got it wrong that she saw the raid team enter- all so you can pretend she was in front of the house though she clearly wasn't.  She got the color wrong simply she was at the white location.  This is confirmed by the people ACTUALLY at the red/white location not saying she was there.

[mike tesko]

In admitting she could not have seen what she clearly stated she saw this means you are confirming she was wrong when she claimed to be at the white/red containment site. 

You want us to pretend she got EVERYTHING wrong EXCEPT the color of the containment location she was at- she got the people she relieved wrong, she got the people to her right wrong, she got it wrong that she was looking at the kitchen door, got it wrong that she saw the raid team enter- all so you can pretend she was in front of the house though she clearly wasn't.  She got the color wrong simply she was at the white location.  This is confirmed by the people ACTUALLY at the red/white location not saying she was there.

You stupid idiot, I am saying she mistook the front door for the kitchen door you buffoon, I am saying she could have done for all we know, if she did she could just as easily have been stood entirely on red side in the same way you are claiming she was stood solely on white side. The truth of the matter is you lying toe rag, is that if she was stood solely on white side, or stood solely on red side, she could not have been covering white / red, or red / white sides. In other words, she had to be at the corner of white red to be able to see both sides of the farmhouse at the same time. in this position her view of the box room window would have been obstructed and so she wouldn't have been able to see any rifle leaning against the box room window. On the other hand whilst she was covering white red side she would have been able to see the main bedroom window with the bruno / anshutz rifle leaning against it...

These are the facts that a baffoon like you will never be able to explain away - you simply can't be covering both sides of the farmhouse by standing purely on only one side of it. Jeapes had to be at the corner of it, to enable her to see along parts of both sides of the farmhouse. Another thing, she did not see the raid party entering the farmhouse as you wrongly claim, she states that she saw them going towards the house to make their entry...

[mike tesko]

The key phrase used by Jeapes when she saw the raid party approaching the farmhouse, was that she saw  the 'GOING' towards the farmhouse to make their entry, she never said she saw them coming towards the farmhouse to make their entry - the difference between her using the term, 'GOING', rather than 'COMING', is significant in helping to establish her location at the time the raid party approached the house from the direction of the curved wall in the court yard. In order for Jeapes to see them 'Going' toward the farmhouse to make their entry, she would have had to be at the corner of white red / red white. This is because she saw them going away from where she was positioned, not coming towards her...

[mike tesko]

I am receiving tremendous pressure to disclose the photograph of Sheila on the bed, but before that can happen more water has to pass under the bridge. In the meantime there will still of course be those amongst you who do not believe that such a photograph ever existed, or as the case may be, even still is in existence...

All I can do, is assure you all that Sheila was photographed on the bed with only a solitary wound on her throat and very little visible blood on the front part of her nightdress. She certainly did not have a second bullet wound there as depicted in the first photographs of the two wounds on her throat and all the additional blood photographed by PC Bird from 11.10am, onward, at a time when police had transferred her body from the bed, onto the bedroom floor...

Anyway...

I have always been very interested in the rather unusual bloodstain pattern on the rear of Sheila's nightdress. Interested, because according to the evidence the only blood found on the bedroom carpet beneath Sheila's body on its back, were supposed to have been spots of June Bambers blood. How odd that none of Sheila's blood was found on the carpet beneath her own body? Even more strange was the dried bloodstaining on the reverse of her nightdress, exhibit ND/3...

[scipio_usmc]

You stupid idiot, I am saying she mistook the front door for the kitchen door you buffoon, I am saying she could have done for all we know, if she did she could just as easily have been stood entirely on red side in the same way you are claiming she was stood solely on white side. The truth of the matter is you lying toe rag, is that if she was stood solely on white side, or stood solely on red side, she could not have been covering white / red, or red / white sides. In other words, she had to be at the corner of white red to be able to see both sides of the farmhouse at the same time. in this position her view of the box room window would have been obstructed and so she wouldn't have been able to see any rifle leaning against the box room window. On the other hand whilst she was covering white red side she would have been able to see the main bedroom window with the bruno / anshutz rifle leaning against it...

These are the facts that a baffoon like you will never be able to explain away - you simply can't be covering both sides of the farmhouse by standing purely on only one side of it. Jeapes had to be at the corner of it, to enable her to see along parts of both sides of the farmhouse. Another thing, she did not see the raid party entering the farmhouse as you wrongly claim, she states that she saw them going towards the house to make their entry...

Your verbal diarrhea has failed to address let alone refute the evidence I presented.  Name calling will not change the fact that she was told she was facing the kitchen side of the house, the people she replaced were on the kitchen side of the house, she had to have been on the kitchen side to see the raid team enter, she isolated only one upper window clad in gray brick- which is the case only on the kitchen side of the house the front has all 3 upper floor windows clad in gray. In addition we know the people who were at the actual red/white containment location and they don't mention here in fact  she mentioned that one of them was at the containment position to her right. 

The bottom line is that even though we know for a fact she was at the white location, you want to take her ERROR where she misidentified the position as the red/white so you could pretend she faced the front of the house so you could pretend that she was looking in the master bedroom window though the description of the window surrounded by gray brick doesn't isolate the bedroom since all 3 upper windows are surrounded by gray brick and even to pretend she definitely saw a rifle barrel leaning against the window sill though she has no idea what she saw and you even want to pretend it was the Anschutz rifle though countless witnesses say it was on her body while Jeapes was looking at whatever she was looking at. 

You seem to love digging holes did you work in a cemetery by any chance?

[scipio_usmc]

I am receiving tremendous pressure to disclose the photograph of Sheila on the bed, but before that can happen more water has to pass under the bridge. In the meantime there will still of course be those amongst you who do not believe that such a photograph ever existed, or as the case may be, even still is in existence...

All I can do, is assure you all that Sheila was photographed on the bed with only a solitary wound on her throat and very little visible blood on the front part of her nightdress. She certainly did not have a second bullet wound there as depicted in the first photographs of the two wounds on her throat and all the additional blood photographed by PC Bird from 11.10am, onward, at a time when police had transferred her body from the bed, onto the bedroom floor...

Anyway...

I have always been very interested in the rather unusual bloodstain pattern on the rear of Sheila's nightdress. Interested, because according to the evidence the only blood found on the bedroom carpet beneath Sheila's body on its back, were supposed to have been spots of June Bambers blood. How odd that none of Sheila's blood was found on the carpet beneath her own body? Even more strange was the dried bloodstaining on the reverse of her nightdress, exhibit ND/3...

You should at least make up claims that are plausible.  You expect us to believe that prior to Bird arriving to take photos that officers decided to move Sheila to the floor so they could pretend she died on the floor and yet decided to take take photos of her in bed before moving her?  That is absurd.  People who decided to lie and pretend her body was found somewhere else would not take a photo to document that they are lying.

Worse though, you want us to believe she survived for hours after receiving a wound that severed a major artery and that Dr Craig erroneously declared her dead when she was still alive until police shot her a second time.

Good God man how stupid do you think we are?  Lying to us is one thing but if you are going to lie at least make up something that will not insult our intelligence.

Suppose you beat someone to death in your house and then planned to stick them in a car and to push the car off a cliff to try to make it look like the person died in an accident.  Would you take a photo of the person dead in your house to document that is where the person died so that if someone sees the photo they can see that the person was already dead in your house and that the car accident was set up?  Give us some credit and put some real thought into what you make up- not imagination real thought. 

 

[maggie]

You should at least make up claims that are plausible.  You expect us to believe that prior to Bird arriving to take photos that officers decided to move Sheila to the floor so they could pretend she died on the floor and yet decided to take take photos of her in bed before moving her?  That is absurd.  People who decided to lie and pretend her body was found somewhere else would not take a photo to document that they are lying.

Worse though, you want us to believe she survived for hours after receiving a wound that severed a major artery and that Dr Craig erroneously declared her dead when she was still alive until police shot her a second time.

Good God man how stupid do you think we are?  Lying to us is one thing but if you are going to lie at least make up something that will not insult our intelligence.

Suppose you beat someone to death in your house and then planned to stick them in a car and to push the car off a cliff to try to make it look like the person died in an accident.  Would you take a photo of the person dead in your house to document that is where the person died so that if someone sees the photo they can see that the person was already dead in your house and that the car accident was set up?  Give us some credit and put some real thought into what you make up- not imagination real thought.

Correction Scipio, The initial wound on Sheila's neck did not sever a 'major artery' in Sheila's neck it was 'soft tissue haemorrhage' to the 'right external jugular vein' soft tissue bleeding from a vein is VERY different from the severance of an artery. The severance of an artery causes severe bleeding often shooting from the wound due to the pumping of the heart which propels blood through the artery. Blood in the veins is blood returning to the heart to be oxygenated and it flows it isn't pumped. This is why the amount of blood which appears to have collected under Sheila's right armpit is puzzling to me. I cannot understand how that blood settled there unless her head neck was resting near to it. Imo.? I know there are blood trails but it is still an awful lot of blood.
 Also because it was a wound to a vein, not an artery this is the reason Sheila could possibly have been conscious after the first wound, it is quite possible she could have stood up and wandered about or she could have shot herself again, it is not an impossibility.

[Caroline]

I am receiving tremendous pressure to disclose the photograph of Sheila on the bed, but before that can happen more water has to pass under the bridge. In the meantime there will still of course be those amongst you who do not believe that such a photograph ever existed, or as the case may be, even still is in existence...

All I can do, is assure you all that Sheila was photographed on the bed with only a solitary wound on her throat and very little visible blood on the front part of her nightdress. She certainly did not have a second bullet wound there as depicted in the first photographs of the two wounds on her throat and all the additional blood photographed by PC Bird from 11.10am, onward, at a time when police had transferred her body from the bed, onto the bedroom floor...

Anyway...

I have always been very interested in the rather unusual bloodstain pattern on the rear of Sheila's nightdress. Interested, because according to the evidence the only blood found on the bedroom carpet beneath Sheila's body on its back, were supposed to have been spots of June Bambers blood. How odd that none of Sheila's blood was found on the carpet beneath her own body? Even more strange was the dried bloodstaining on the reverse of her nightdress, exhibit ND/3...

Are you saying that the picture you posted is blood on the back of Sheila's nightdress? 

[Jane]

Are you saying that the picture you posted is blood on the back of Sheila's nightdress?

D'ya know. I could have SWORN it was a duvet/eiderdown.

[Caroline]

D'ya know. I could have SWORN it was a duvet/eiderdown.

Yes, it's the bed, the same patches are shown below.

[Adam]

I am receiving tremendous pressure to disclose the photograph of Sheila on the bed, but before that can happen more water has to pass under the bridge. In the meantime there will still of course be those amongst you who do not believe that such a photograph ever existed, or as the case may be, even still is in existence...

All I can do, is assure you all that Sheila was photographed on the bed with only a solitary wound on her throat and very little visible blood on the front part of her nightdress. She certainly did not have a second bullet wound there as depicted in the first photographs of the two wounds on her throat and all the additional blood photographed by PC Bird from 11.10am, onward, at a time when police had transferred her body from the bed, onto the bedroom floor...

Anyway...

I have always been very interested in the rather unusual bloodstain pattern on the rear of Sheila's nightdress. Interested, because according to the evidence the only blood found on the bedroom carpet beneath Sheila's body on its back, were supposed to have been spots of June Bambers blood. How odd that none of Sheila's blood was found on the carpet beneath her own body? Even more strange was the dried bloodstaining on the reverse of her nightdress, exhibit ND/3...

More water pass under the bridge ? It's been 30 years.

Why would the police shoot Sheila in the head if she was lying on the bed. She must have clearly been incapacitated.

[Jane]

Yes, it's the bed, the same patches are shown below.

A duvet makes a rather strange night dress, don't you think?

[Jane]

More water pass under the bridge ?.................................

Oh dear, I hope that's not a sign of bladder problems.

[lookout]

A duvet makes a rather strange night dress, don't you think?

Sheila had been sitting there in order to obtain a facsimile of the " pattern " on the behind part of the nightdress ? Yes ?