The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[Caroline]

Of course the article made JB look bad - but if Sheila was party to having pornographic pictures taken when she had two young sons - and leaving them around for people to find of course she would look bad as well.

But now it seems that the paper made JB out to be telling lies and the pictures may not have existed confused - I am

Now who's putting words in people's mouths?

[Jan]

Am I? I don't think I'm saying that at all! I'm saying that the article wasn't about the pictures, it was about Jeremy trying to sell them. The pictures are immaterial - Jeremy's description of them however, is not! There was no blackening of Sheila's or her reputation.

sorry - still don't get that argument .

It was inferred that "pornographic " pictures existed and they allegedly repeated the description that Jeremy gave  without actually seeing the pictures.

So yes I do think that tarnishes her reputation if they alleged they existed.

And of course Jeremys 


So you don't think they were saying JB backed off because they did not exist - you think that the Sun refused them?

[Caroline]

sorry - still don't get that argument .

It was inferred that "pornographic " pictures existed and they allegedly repeated the description that Jeremy gave  without actually seeing the pictures.

So yes I do think that tarnishes her reputation if they alleged they existed.

And of course Jeremys 


So you don't think they were saying JB backed off because they did not exist - you think that the Sun refused them?

I don't think it tarnishes her reputation - not in the slightest, they were her pictures and were NOT in the public domain. It does tarnish Jeremy though, because he tried to put explicit pictures of his dead sister in the public domain, pictures she obviously wanted to remain private.

I have no idea if they existed but if not, it means that they came from Jeremy's imagination - pretty sick considering the situation and I do think The Sun refused them or their would be proof that they bought them and Jeremy now wouldn't be trying to say the whole thing didn't happen.

[gringo]

Colin suspected he would try and sell them this is why he tried to get them back but it was too late.

  Hi Susan, does Colin say this in his book?
     According to his witness statement, Jeremy informed Colin of the existence of the photos and agreed that Colin could have them in order to destroy them. This was after Jeremy had cleaned up Sheila's flat. There is no suggestion that Colin suspected that Jeremy would sell them and the discussion was clearly amicable. In fact it seems clear that Colin suspected that the relatives were trying to frame Jeremy.
    In fact Colin was so unconcerned about Jeremy's holding of the pictures that he went to stay with friends in Cornwall for a week leaving only a loose arrangement with Jeremy to collect them at a later unarranged date. These do not appear to be the actions of a man who suspected that Jeremy would attempt to sell them.
     

[Caroline]

Hi Susan, does Colin say this in his book?
     According to his witness statement, Jeremy informed Colin of the existence of the photos and agreed that Colin could have them in order to destroy them. This was after Jeremy had cleaned up Sheila's flat. There is no suggestion that Colin suspected that Jeremy would sell them and the discussion was clearly amicable. In fact it seems clear that Colin suspected that the relatives were trying to frame Jeremy.
    In fact Colin was so unconcerned about Jeremy's holding of the pictures that he went to stay with friends in Cornwall for a week leaving only a loose arrangement with Jeremy to collect them at a later unarranged date. These do not appear to be the actions of a man who suspected that Jeremy would attempt to sell them.
   

Yes he does say that in the book. In order that people know which pictures Colin is referring to, what he thought about them and what he did or didn't do, I will photocopy the relevant pages tomorrow because it's just getting confusing.

[Caroline]

  Hi Susan, does Colin say this in his book?
     According to his witness statement, Jeremy informed Colin of the existence of the photos and agreed that Colin could have them in order to destroy them. This was after Jeremy had cleaned up Sheila's flat. There is no suggestion that Colin suspected that Jeremy would sell them and the discussion was clearly amicable. In fact it seems clear that Colin suspected that the relatives were trying to frame Jeremy.
    In fact Colin was so unconcerned about Jeremy's holding of the pictures that he went to stay with friends in Cornwall for a week leaving only a loose arrangement with Jeremy to collect them at a later unarranged date. These do not appear to be the actions of a man who suspected that Jeremy would attempt to sell them.
   

Which witness statement are you referring to?

[Patti]

Susan

http://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/database/user/userBookshelf.jsp

this is a few articles that are on offer.  Double click on the images and they will become bigger.

[susan]

Hello Gringo

Colin was worried what Jeremy would do with the pictures so he wrote to him asking for them back to destroy them he posted them (he even names his local post office) but sadly later that morning he went into his local shop for chocolate and saw the headlines Bambi Brother In Photo Scandal'  He tried to peddle sex snaps of model. He said he knew it had to be true because of the way he described them to the Sun was the same words he had used to describe them to him. In anger he wrote to Jeremy then decided to leave Cornwall and spend a few days in Somerset with friends.  Gringo everything I have posted are Colin's words I really knew nothing about the photo's until recently when I purchased Colin's book.  Hope this helps.

[gringo]

When did the story in the Sun about the photos get published? anyone know?

  I don't know if you found your answer Jan but if you didn't, again according to Colin's statement of 24/9/85, the story appeared in the Tuesday 17th September edition of the Sun.

[susan]

Susan

http://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/database/user/userBookshelf.jsp

this is a few articles that are on offer.  Double click on the images and they will become bigger.

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[gringo]

Hello Gringo

Colin was worried what Jeremy would do with the pictures so he wrote to him asking for them back to destroy them he posted them (he even names his local post office) but sadly later that morning he went into his local shop for chocolate and saw the headlines Bambi Brother In Photo Scandal'  He tried to peddle sex snaps of model. He said he knew it had to be true because of the way he described them to the Sun was the same words he had used to describe them to him. In anger he wrote to Jeremy then decided to leave Cornwall and spend a few days in Somerset with friends.  Gringo everything I have posted are Colin's words I really knew nothing about the photo's until recently when I purchased Colin's book.  Hope this helps.

  I assumed so which is why I asked, Susan. I think his witness statements are a much more reliable source and do not paint the picture that Colin's much later book appears to.

[gringo]

Which witness statement are you referring to?

  His statement of 24/9/85.

[susan]

  I assumed so which is why I asked, Susan. I think his witness statements are a much more reliable source and do not paint the picture that Colin's much later book appears to.

Gringo

I have never read his witness statements but will do so.

[gringo]

Gringo

I have never read his witness statements but will do so.

  I don't think they are in the archives, Susan, but they are in a thread titled simply, "Colin Caffell witness statements" and it was started on 24th september 2011, if this helps

[susan]

  I don't think they are in the archives, Susan, but they are in a thread titled simply, "Colin Caffell witness statements" and it was started on 24th september 2011, if this helps

Gringo many thanks for that saves me searching in vain.  Thanks.