The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[Jan]

When you look back on old threads from 2012 on this very subject  there is one thing that surprises me. I can understand that posters have their own reasons for changing their minds about every subject regarding Jeremy .

But what is really odd is that now their opinions about the Sun newspaper have now equally polarised.

So now the sun would not make up the story or at least spice it up in order to sell papers - whereas before they felt the Sun was telling lies.

Funny that.

[Adam]

Jan you must stop supporting Jeremy.

Former supporters had to not believe that Jeremy would attempt pictures to The Sun.

If he was capable of attempting this it makes it much more likely he would be capable of murder. If you take the common sense approach.

[SaraT]

Jan you must stop supporting Jeremy.

Former supporters had to not believe that Jeremy would attempt pictures to The Sun.

If he was capable of attempting this it makes it much more likely he would be capable of murder. If you take the common sense approach.

No it doesn't

[Jan]

Jan you must stop supporting Jeremy.

Former supporters had to not believe that Jeremy would attempt pictures to The Sun.

If he was capable of attempting this it makes it much more likely he would be capable of murder. If you take the common sense approach.

Get lost Adam - I have never seen such a load of old cobblers - even from you.

Go do one - and feel free to report me - I could not give a damn where you are concerned you are a prat.

[Caroline]

When you look back on old threads from 2012 on this very subject  there is one thing that surprises me. I can understand that posters have their own reasons for changing their minds about every subject regarding Jeremy .

But what is really odd is that now their opinions about the Sun newspaper have now equally polarised.

So now the sun would not make up the story or at least spice it up in order to sell papers - whereas before they felt the Sun was telling lies.

Funny that.

Nothing funny at all Jan and if you read the posts in this thread, you will see that no one is supporting The Sun, I think I must have said it about 20 times but it's what COLIN says NOT The Sun that is key!!

I guess you checked back in order to imply that some of us are hypocrites? Well given that several of us have already stated that we found the article hard to defend in the past but made excuses, I'd say that 'then' you might have had a point. However, as we have since had the common sense (yes I did say 'common sense'!) to realise that defending Jeremy's action on this matter is futile. I will also add that I believe most people here know he sold the pictures but some are still defending him for whatever reason and will continue to do so even though it's obvious that he did indeed try to sell the pictures - funny that!

[Jan]

Nothing funny at all Jan and if you read the posts in this thread, you will see that no one is supporting The Sun, I think I must have said it about 20 times but it's what COLIN says NOT The Sun that is key!!

I guess you checked back in order to imply that some of us are hypocrites? Well given that several of us have already stated that we found the article hard to defend in the past but made excuses, I'd say that 'then' you might have had a point. However, as we have since had the common sense (yes I did say 'common sense'!) to realise that defending Jeremy's action on this matter is futile. I will also add that I believe most people here know he sold the pictures but some are still defending him for whatever reason and will continue to do so even though it's obvious that he did indeed try to sell the pictures - funny that!

   guilty conscience?

I never said names at all ?

[scipio_usmc]

Nothing funny at all Jan and if you read the posts in this thread, you will see that no one is supporting The Sun, I think I must have said it about 20 times but it's what COLIN says NOT The Sun that is key!!

I guess you checked back in order to imply that some of us are hypocrites? Well given that several of us have already stated that we found the article hard to defend in the past but made excuses, I'd say that 'then' you might have had a point. However, as we have since had the common sense (yes I did say 'common sense'!) to realise that defending Jeremy's action on this matter is futile. I will also add that I believe most people here know he sold the pictures but some are still defending him for whatever reason and will continue to do so even though it's obvious that he did indeed try to sell the pictures - funny that!

People like Jan are so invested in the case that they ignore all reality to pretend Jeremy is innocent and that in part entails pretending he was a great guy who loved his family and would not do wrong against them.  Clearly selling the photos is not something a grieving relative would do but rather something a greedy person who didn't care about his family would do and since the motive given for the murders was greed those heavily invested find it necessary to reject this.

When you are objective it is far easier because you can follow the evidence without having to worry where it leads, it leads where it leads and that's that.

[Caroline]

   guilty conscience?

I never said names at all ?

Nah, you didn't have to - pretty clear what and who you were getting at - but I have broad shoulders! My conscience is clear - I'm not defending the indefensible! But you don't mind that he sold them - and you're right, it doesn't make him a murderer? Just more likely!! 

[Caroline]

People like Jan are so invested in the case that they ignore all reality to pretend Jeremy is innocent and that in part entails pretending he was a great guy who loved his family and would not do wrong against them.  Clearly selling the photos is not something a grieving relative would do but rather something a greedy person who didn't care about his family would do and since the motive given for the murders was greed those heavily invested find it necessary to reject this.

When you are objective it is far easier because you can follow the evidence without having to worry where it leads, it leads where it leads and that's that.

Sometimes I think that there are some that would defend him, no matter what!

[lookout]

Sometimes I think that there are some that would defend him, no matter what!

Not at all. What's it to you if I view this case differently than yourself ? Get over it.

[Caroline]

Not at all. What's it to you if I view this case differently than yourself ? Get over it.

Quite frankly I don't care what you think - after what you wrote today, I care even less than I did before. You get on with it and good luck to ya!!

[Jan]

Nah, you didn't have to - pretty clear what and who you were getting at - but I have broad shoulders! My conscience is clear - I'm not defending the indefensible! But you don't mind that he sold them - and you're right, it doesn't make him a murderer? Just more likely!! 

No - stop putting words into my mouth .

I am trying to get at the truth - Did Colin ever see pornographic photos as described by the Sun ?

Did the Sun approach JB and was he stupid enough to go along ?

Has anyone ever seen the photos to see exactly what they were?

I never said he did ,or did not offer photos - I never said if he did it was justified . But I do not believe every word that the Sun writes - is that clear enough?

Plus if he did I think it less likely he was the murderer because he would have been pretty stupid to bring attention to himself in such an obvious way.

[Caroline]

No - stop putting words into my mouth .

I am trying to get at the truth - Did Colin ever see pornographic photos as described by the Sun ?

Did the Sun approach JB and was he stupid enough to go along ?

Has anyone ever seen the photos to see exactly what they were?

I never said he did ,or did not offer photos - I never said if he did it was justified . But I do not believe every word that the Sun writes - is that clear enough?

Plus if he did I think it less likely he was the murderer because he would have been pretty stupid to bring attention to himself in such an obvious way.

No what? What words am I putting in your mouth?

The Sun didn't describe the pictures to Colin - that was Jeremy. Whe he read The Sun article he KNEW it was true because the pictures were described the same as had beem described to him from Jeremy.

No, Brett called The Sun on behalf of Jeremy

Jeremy and Brett have seen the photo's (although now the OS is saying they don't exist).

I don't believe every word The Sun writes either - but I believe Jeremy tried to sell those pictures - Clear  enough for you?

If he tried to sell them, I think it makes him MORE likely to be the murderer and shows what an arrogant and SOB he was/is.

[nugnug]

if he tried to sell that them it does make it more likely but the operative word is if.

[Jan]

These are the words I was referring to

"But you don't mind that he sold them "

That is not true.

That is putting words into my mouth.



Colin wrote the book after the article presumably and I am not making "excuses"  but could he have believed the sun and then Exaggerated what JB told him? Possibly.

To balance the debate  ; I do believe Colin on most things he has no reason to lie - but to be honest he has very little to say about Jeremy in the book and perhaps on this he got a bit confused.

So the facts are only Jeremy and Brett saw the photos and what they were actually like. But someone somewhere must know - because someone took them.