The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[Adam]

So The Sun guessed that 'pornographic' pictures of Sheila existed.

They also guessed Jeremy would have them.

They also guessed a grieving Jeremy would be prepared to sell the pictures to them. Rubbishing his dead sister.

The Sun assumed if it published distasteful pictures of a woman with mental health problems, who had committed murder/suicide, the public would not mind.

A meeting was offered. Jeremy stupidly agreed to go. He was fed up with his bad press and the cameras not getting his best side. Although he had spent a lot of time away from the media, abroad and the media did not care anyway.

The Sun decided to print a front page article anyway. Which was all untrue. Profiting from the tragedy and kicking an innocent man when he is down.

[SaraT]

Jan you must stop supporting Jeremy.

1. Why do you keep saying this when you surely must know it makes you look and sound like a ****?
2. Why don't you ever say it to others?

[Caroline]

I am aware there are two sets of photos - but they were originally in two places . I have no Idea why June would keep the photos as she would have disapproved "according to Colin"


I am still not convinced one little bit that if the photos had been there and offered that the sun would have turned them down . They would have jumped at the chance to publish them . They had no morals what so ever. So Yes I am in denial about the full truth of the story. It sounds like one of Adams favourite sayings " it has a ring of truth " about it.  But at the moment we have the NOTW versions and Jeremys version - and to be honest if he is guilty they are both liars - the NOTW has actually been proven to lie about lots of things - so in your world - one set of liars against another .
I would not like to judge tbh - but you carry on .

Our acceptance may just take a bit longer than yours.

I will carry in thanks but I think selling pictures of your sister who you have just murdered is beyond emendation - but hey, that's just me! I couldn't care less what people are convinced of - he tried to sell them and the evidence is there! If people still wish to defend such a person it's their business and for their conscience!

[nugnug]

well i would rather have that on my consisnse than defending the sun newspaper that would be to much of a heavy burden to bear.

[Adam]

Supporters have to say 'alright he tried to sell distasteful pictures of Sheila, but that doesn't mean he is guilty'.

However supporters know that doing such a thing makes it much more likely he is guilty. If you use common sense of course.

[nugnug]

know they dont have to say that becouse as far as im concerned theres no proof he did.

[scipio_usmc]

know they dont have to say that becouse as far as im concerned theres no proof he did.

Playing deaf, dumb and blind is how you pretend that Jeremy is innocent but you are not content with that and go further to avoid facing any wrong he has done.  It is amusing.

You never have a solid basis for anythign you claim, I'm still waiting for your made up rubbish where I could not tell the difference between a civilian weapon and military weapon.  Have you made up what weapon yet?

[Caroline]

well i would rather have that on my consisnse than defending the sun newspaper that would be to much of a heavy burden to bear.

You would rather peddle porno pics of your dead sister? 

[nugnug]

Playing deaf, dumb and blind is how you pretend that Jeremy is innocent but you are not content with that and go further to avoid facing any wrong he has done.  It is amusing.

You never have a solid basis for anythign you claim, I'm still waiting for your made up rubbish where I could not tell the difference between a civilian weapon and military weapon.  Have you made up what weapon yet?

jeremys story is consitant with colins statement as for the thing all in good time.

[Caroline]

jeremys story is consitant with colins statement as for the thing all in good time.

It's not.

[Patti]

Not read much on the forum lately, but I am surprised that this thread is still ongoing 

Logic prevails in a way, in my opinion.  I doubt anyone in their right minds would attempt to sell pornographic material to a newspaper. Nude photographs, yes.

It was wrong for Jeremy and Brett to try to sell any photographs of Sheila to the press whether they image Sheila dressed or naked whether they were young men or not, there is no excuse for how they behaved.

It was Brett that phoned Fielder.  I just wonder how much influence Brett had over Jeremy? Or why Jeremy didn't phone himself?

The argument is flawed from the onset, because no one has ever seen the photo's. Neither Colin or Fielder saw them.  The only claim is that of hearsay of what was supposedly told to them by Jeremy and Brett.

I do not believe that Sheila would pose for pornographic pictures and neither did Colin believe she would. It was something she would never do and if she did then she must have been quite desperate.

If she was desperate enough, then why was she?  I don't believe she was, for she had the full support of her family when ever she needed it.  Sheila was never short of food, clothes, makeup etc, but who paid for it all? Looking good all of the time does not come cheap, not then or now..

[Patti]

Jeremy trying to sell them was the BIGGER story.

Ar but, Jeremy didn't sell em and the Sun made a bigger story in regards to his and Brett's approach...saving them a lot money, time and effort. What a scoop lol 

[scipio_usmc]

Not read much on the forum lately, but I am surprised that this thread is still ongoing 

Logic prevails in a way, in my opinion.  I doubt anyone in their right minds would attempt to sell pornographic material to a newspaper. Nude photographs, yes.

It was wrong for Jeremy and Brett to try to sell any photographs of Sheila to the press whether they image Sheila dressed or naked whether they were young men or not, there is no excuse for how they behaved.

It was Brett that phoned Fielder.  I just wonder how much influence Brett had over Jeremy? Or why Jeremy didn't phone himself?

The argument is flawed from the onset, because no one has ever seen the photo's. Neither Colin or Fielder saw them.  The only claim is that of hearsay of what was supposedly told to them by Jeremy and Brett.

I do not believe that Sheila would pose for pornographic pictures and neither did Colin believe she would. It was something she would never do and if she did then she must have been quite desperate.

If she was desperate enough, then why was she?  I don't believe she was, for she had the full support of her family when ever she needed it.  Sheila was never short of food, clothes, makeup etc, but who paid for it all? Looking good all of the time does not come cheap, not then or now..

You think they had no photos and were trying to scam the Sun?  Realistically they would only have approached the Sun if they actually had them and a reason to use Brett is because Jeremy would want clean hands.  In any event the story was that the reporter ultimately spoke to Jeremy. 

WHile what he did was scummy it was also stupid, he should have simply had a third party try to negotiate the deal and pretend the third part had no relationship with Jeremy. He had to know it would look bad.  He got sloppy out of greed but greed is what this whole case is about. He was so greedy he killed his family, selling nude pics is nothing in comparison. He thought he was in the clear and thus that it would not hurt him. This is what some people call arrogance. I call it stupidity but there is a fine line between the two and it is largely a matter of semantics.
 

[Jane]

You think they had no photos and were trying to scam the Sun?  Realistically they would only have approached the Sun if they actually had them and a reason to use Brett is because Jeremy would want clean hands.  In any event the story was that the reporter ultimately spoke to Jeremy. 

WHile what he did was scummy it was also stupid, he should have simply had a third party try to negotiate the deal and pretend the third part had no relationship with Jeremy. He had to know it would look bad.  He got sloppy out of greed but greed is what this whole case is about. He was so greedy he killed his family, selling nude pics is nothing in comparison. He thought he was in the clear and thus that it would not hurt him. This is what some people call arrogance. I call it stupidity but there is a fine line between the two and it is largely a matter of semantics.

The resulting story would hardly have changed HAD they been trying to scam the Sun. Not QUITE sure which would have been more damning, the fact of him HAVING porny pics that he was offering at a price or him SAYING he had porny pics -which, IF they existed MIGHT have been nothing more than Sheila laying on a bear skin rug in her bare skin, aged 6 months. EITHER way his actions can be seen as those of a man supremely arrogant and confident OR a silly, pre-pubescent boy. EITHER way, it's scummy but it is, as you say, "largely a matter of semantics."

[susan]

Hello Patti

I think Colin did believe the pictures were explicit because he was worried about where they were going to end up and this is why he posted a letter to Jeremy asking for the photo's so he could destroy them and just because Colin did not go into details of the photo's in his book does not mean Jeremy had not given him details of the type of photo's they were I for one thinks he did.  Jeremy left two sets of nude photo's for Colin why did he remove the third set?