The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[Jan]

Hello nugnug
Colin was shocked when he saw the totally nude photo's that had been taken of Sheila in her garden at the flat he said she told him she would never go into glamour modelling but he was even more worried about the ones Jeremy had removed from her flat think about it why would Jeremy want explicit photo's of Sheila

I think Susan I will have to read the book again - as it is difficult to take it all in as it skips about so much , there are some bits in it that are interesting.

[Jan]

Caroline I agree Colin said very little about the photo's in his book out of respect for Sheila the Mother of his wee boys but I am in no doubt he was told just how explicit they were why did he write to Jeremy asking for them back on the morning they were published but he was too late then he wrote again to Jeremy expressing is absolute anger  after he saw the headlines in the Sun. If the pictures were just straight forward nude shots why not leave them with the other two sets of nude photo's he removed them because they were just a little more than nude pictures sex snaps as the Sun called them.  All very sad IMO.

When did the story in the Sun about the photos get published? anyone know?

[susan]

I think Susan I will have to read the book again - as it is difficult to take it all in as it skips about so much , there are some bits in it that are interesting.

Jan quite right I have it at my side and I keep referring to certain pages and think I can now recite them from memory but I agree does dodge from subject to subject

[Caroline]

I am not defending him at all and I am glad your conscience is now clear.

I just said even in your  new found truth it is one liar against another which makes it even harder to get to the truth.

That is different to defending him .

Colin isn't a liar. Colin is the one who stated that the description of the photographs was THE SAME. People are emphasising that the story appeared in The Sun newspaper and using that and the recent Leveson findings as an excuse to suggest the story was fictitious - but it was COLIN who said that Jeremy told him about some explicit pictures he had found of Sheila, he said the description was the same as that which appeared in The Sun and on that basis he KNEW the story to be TRUE. Unless people think Colin is a liar too, then the argument that it didn't happen is on a road to nowhere.

[susan]

When did the story in the Sun about the photos get published? anyone know?

Jan not sure when the Sun ran the story not long after the murders according to the book I have seen an extract of the story on the front page.  Think somebody on here will know.

[Patti]

You think they had no photos and were trying to scam the Sun?  Realistically they would only have approached the Sun if they actually had them and a reason to use Brett is because Jeremy would want clean hands.  In any event the story was that the reporter ultimately spoke to Jeremy. 

WHile what he did was scummy it was also stupid, he should have simply had a third party try to negotiate the deal and pretend the third part had no relationship with Jeremy. He had to know it would look bad.  He got sloppy out of greed but greed is what this whole case is about. He was so greedy he killed his family, selling nude pics is nothing in comparison. He thought he was in the clear and thus that it would not hurt him. This is what some people call arrogance. I call it stupidity but there is a fine line between the two and it is largely a matter of semantics.

Not at all. I do believe there were photo's. What I don't believe is that Sheila would do pornographic photo's.  There is a massive difference between nude and pornographic photo's.  I am surprised that anyone would believe that Sheila was doing porn, she was a model not a porn star.

I think Jeremy and Brett exaggerated to Fielder and then Fielder added to that in order to sell his story.

I make no excuses for what Jeremy said to Colin or to Fielder, its was distasteful and very stupid. I believe more of what Colin said rather than that of Fielder and that the photo's were just nude photo's and not porn as we know it.

Someone took those photo's and no chemist would have developed such photo's, not in those days unless they were done by a professional photographer based in a studio?

No one ever saw the photo's all we have is two different descriptions from Jeremy and Brett. One to Colin and one to Fielder....I know who I believe and that is Colin and the latter does not mention porn or sexual objects. 

[Caroline]

Not at all. I do believe there were photo's. What I don't believe is that Sheila would do pornographic photo's.  There is a massive difference between nude and pornographic photo's.  I am surprised that anyone would believe that Sheila was doing porn, she was a model not a porn star.

I think Jeremy and Brett exaggerated to Fielder and then Fielder added to that in order to sell his story.

I make no excuses for what Jeremy said to Colin or to Fielder, its was distasteful and very stupid. I believe more of what Colin said rather than that of Fielder and that the photo's were just nude photo's and not porn as we know it.

Someone took those photo's and no chemist would have developed such photo's, not in those days unless they were done by a professional photographer based in a studio?

No one ever saw the photo's all we have is two different descriptions from Jeremy and Brett. One to Colin and one to Fielder....I know who I believe and that is Colin and the latter does not mention porn or sexual objects. 

If Jeremy made the story of the pictures up, it's even worse! That he could contemplate his sister in such ways is sick. However, you didn't need a professional photographer to take the pictures or use a developing service, just someone who's hobby was photography. My granddad's hobby was photography and he took all the family pictures and developed them himself.

[Patti]

Hello Patti

I think Colin did believe the pictures were explicit because he was worried about where they were going to end up and this is why he posted a letter to Jeremy asking for the photo's so he could destroy them and just because Colin did not go into details of the photo's in his book does not mean Jeremy had not given him details of the type of photo's they were I for one thinks he did.  Jeremy left two sets of nude photo's for Colin why did he remove the third set?

Hi Susan

I think Colin would have told the truth in his book. I hope he did. I am more inclined to believe Colin than Fielder.  I cannot except that Sheila would do porn Susan, nudity yes.

I wonder who took them and developed them, because you would not have had them developed the normal way at a shop or chemist.   

I'd also like to read the Sun article to see how much was blown up out of proportion and the date this was published.   

[susan]

Hi Susan

I think Colin would have told the truth in his book. I hope he did. I am more inclined to believe Colin than Fielder.  I cannot except that Sheila would do porn Susan, nudity yes.

I wonder who took them and developed them, because you would not have had them developed the normal way at a shop or chemist.   

I'd also like to read the Sun article to see how much was blown up out of proportion and the date this was published.   

Hi Patti

guess one has to ask themselves who they believe Colin or Jeremy Colin was worried about the slides and where they would end up and he had a feeling Jeremy would try and sell them.  The nude photo's of Sheila taken in her garden were what would be published in a Glamour Mag  and they were  taken by a friend.  Patti do you not wonder why Jeremy left two lots of nude photo's at the flat but removed the third set.

[Patti]

He only didn't sell them because The Sun didn't WANT them. I don't understand why people are defending his INTENTION - the intention is the point that is not only distasteful, it's down right disgusting and shows the man's character. Someone who could do that, is capable of anything

I doubt anyone in their right mind would defend his intention to sell any photograph of his sister to the press. The whole idea of him doing this is purely distasteful and disrespectful.

What I am trying to say is that no one has seen the photographs all we have is a description given to two people, one being Colin and the other being Fielder.

I believe Colin not Fielder, I think Fielder sensationalized his story and poor Sheila in my opinion never did porn of any kind.  In a way I am if anything defending Sheila. She does not come across as being so seedy.

[lookout]

If she'd been as high on drugs as you've sometimes painted her as having been, any inhibitions would have flown out of the window so anything would have been possible.

Not necessarily,as Sheila appeared to be immune from the effects of drugs.If anything,it was the prescription drugs which did her more harm than good and their effects would have been far worse than any noxious substance.

[Caroline]

I doubt anyone in their right mind would defend his intention to sell any photograph of his sister to the press. The whole idea of him doing this is purely distasteful and disrespectful.

What I am trying to say is that no one has seen the photographs all we have is a description given to two people, one being Colin and the other being Fielder.

I believe Colin not Fielder, I think Fielder sensationalized his story and poor Sheila in my opinion never did porn of any kind.  In a way I am if anything defending Sheila. She does not come across as being so seedy.

I get what you're saying and of course Sun reporters don't have the best reputation. However, Colin is saying that the description in The Sun was THE SAME as was said to him. I'm sure it's easy to get a copy of the newspaper from the library -I'm going to try and get a copy on Friday or early next week.

Even if Sheila did pose for such pictures, I don't see that it matters much. Lots of models do similar stuff early in their career. It doesn't sound like the pictures were ever used for anything and were possibly something she regretted.

[Caroline]

Not necessarily,as Sheila appeared to be immune from the effects of drugs.If anything,it was the prescription drugs which did her more harm than good and their effects would have been far worse than any noxious substance.

Now there's a bold sweeping statement if EVER there was one! 

[lookout]

Never having met Sheila, you have no idea what she would or wouldn't do. But if the photo's didn't exist, it means 'dear old Jeremy' made them up - what kind of 'grieving' brother would do  that to his recently deceased sister?? Despicable!

Why are you making such a big deal over this ? There are heaps of other things that I find more revolting.

[Caroline]

Why are you making such a big deal over this ? There are heaps of other things that I find more revolting.

You have a strange idea of 'revolting' - it IS a big deal because it IS REVOLTING!