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In the first thread I noted semi-automatic weapons require the first round to be manually fed from the magazine into the chamber. NGB didn't post in that thread at all let alone did he challenge my assertions. In another thread he confirmed the first round had to be manually fed so agreed with me.
In the second thread here is the exchange NGB and I had:
Scipio: A rifle needs more cleaning than a shotgun. Fouling of the barrel harms accuracy. A shotgun is smoothbore in contrast and doesn't rely on accuracy. A rifle should be cleaned after every use if you want to keep it in good condition.
NGB: You are talking about military weapons, particularly those capable of automatic fire. It is not standard practice to clean rifles, whether rimfire or centrefire, used with telescopic sights for shooting vermin and game (e.g. deer). There are two reasons: 1) the cartridge propellant contains detergent that limits fouling of the rifling, and 2) after cleaning it is recommended that the rifle be zeroed.
Scipio: My weapons are all civilian manufacture. I used to have a 22LR that I "inherited" and the 22LR rounds caused more dirt than any M16 round did. It needed to be cleaned or would not fire right the rounds would not feed properly. I only have centerfire rifles now I don't like 22s.
A centerfire rifle should be cleaned after 75 rounds are fired and definitely after 100. Cleaning the barrel is to protect from pitting but cleaning the firing pin and bolt mechanism is to prevent jams and misfirings.
Many rifles have ways to enable cleaning that don't require removing the scope. M-16 style weapons are a good example. This can also be done with the 525. But that doesn't mean it was ever done. It is a misconception among 22LR owners that cleaning doesn't need to occur. So in all likelihood the dirt and grime from every use built up and combined with the problems caused by the use during the murders to combine for the problems Fletcher found.
The wise rules of thumb are if you use a gun a lot then clean it after you are done with it and have put 100 rounds or more through it. If you use it infrequently then clean it and oil it before you put it away. It was used infrequently and probably never cleaned since it was purchased. Several hundred rounds were put through it over the course of it's lifetime. It certainly wasn't cleaned after the murders so the combo and using the rifle as a club was a recipe for problems that would surface later.
NGB: I agree with you about cleaning a centrefire rifle after 75 or 100 rounds, possibly less than that. As far as a rimfire rifle is concerned I have found that a semi-automatic needs cleaning more often than a bolt action.
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So the whole discussion concerned when it is advisable to clean a rifle and typical practices of people.
NGB ended up saying military weapons and even civilian weapons that use centerfire cartridges need cleaning more frequently than rimfire and semi-auto rimfire (like the murder weapon) need cleaning more frequently than bolt action rifles and in his experience people with rimfire weapons tend to clean them infrequently. That is what he said.
How does this impugn my military knowledge?
Your characterization of this discussion bears no semblance to reality.
This goes back to what I said in the past about NGB's posts. I often see people attribute things to him but rarely do his posts ever actually state what is purported. His words are twisted by both sides beyond recognition.
