The Kitchen Magazine rack

[Jan]

I think Steve means the 10:00pm(ish) call?

oh right -well if she was telling the truth in her first statement it was nothing to do with the murders

[scipio_usmc]

I don't think Jeremy phoned Julie before the murders - he may have called her before the police because he was a bit of a wimp and could not decide what to do.

This was supposed to be the most clever planned murder - so to me the most strange thing is that he would tell Julie. I just have this nagging feeling that the police actually contacted her to try and get information. And I know there is no evidence - but something does not add up.

Your judgement is skewed and way off.  You are so biased you even ignore the solid evidence that Jeremy called before the murders.

Julie's roomates confirm he called and more importantly so does Jeremy.  The fact Jeremy called her is proof that he went home and didn't simply stay there.

He called her prior to the murders, right after the murders and then again around 6AM to tell her not to go to work because he needed her to speak to police to help substantiate he was worried about his family because he received a call from Nevill.

Jeremy figured she loved him and would not rat him out.  Thus he told her how he wanted to kill them and kept her appraised of some of the actual details. He even thought she wanted to help him by giving him sleeping pills. He was right about her not ratting him out at first but when police came to her because a friend told them what she said then she was stuck between telling them the truth or risking obstruction charges.

Police did have evidence the case could have been made without her testimony.   

[scipio_usmc]

oh right -well if she was telling the truth in her first statement it was nothing to do with the murders

Her first statement only told part of the story she omitted a great deal.

[Steve_uk]

Because Nevill was generally untrusting of Jeremy and said not to turn hims back he should have checked each night to make sure the phone was by his bedside in case Jeremy snuck in to kill him?

Jeremy phoned Julie often at night.  He was pissed off and told her so and told her it was the night which confirms he told her in the past about his plans.  He called her hours later to tell her he was done before he even called police.  That is what should make one wonder. He should not have called her at all but couldn't contain his excitement he needed to share and he wanted her to say he was upset from receiving a call from Nevill that he never received. Depending upon what he actually told her this is where she could have committed obstruction.  She says he told her he received a call but one has to still wonder whether he said that or told her to say he told her he received a call.

He told Julie about his plan for months and thus obviously trusted her.  He thus told her several details including his plan to use a bike because it would be more silent and that way no one could notice his car missing.  This was a plan integral to the murders not some superfluous thing it was part of his planning.

Why is it strange that no one saw him leave and return home in the middle of the night while they were asleep? Who was out and about to see him?

Why is it strange that for 2-3 days no one looked through the magazine rack before the murders?  When you are done with magazines you stick them in the rack and they sit there till it gets too full to fit anymore then you clean it out and fill it up again.

Throwing the moderator away would be extremely suspicious.  Putting it away and lying saying it was not attached the weapon when he left it out was sufficient to keep police from looking for it.

It amazing you recognize Jeremy is guilty, your posts always seem so backwards which makes it all the more apparent why the propaganda from Bain fools you so easily.

The bicycle was not integral to the murders. Jeremy could easily have walked the journey. This month I have been watching 48 Hours Mystery,In Cold Blood,Medical Detectives,Sins and Secrets and a few other of your trashy American shows and often Police try to get a suspect to return to the scene of the crime,which makes me suspect Ann Eaton received some advice from Stan Jones or others to entice Jeremy back to the Farm post-event. As for the silencer evidence,which is dodgy at best,if it had made a mark on Sheila's neck Jeremy would have left it in situ,and if no mark present just buried it in one of the fields on his tramp home.

[Caroline]

The bicycle was not integral to the murders. Jeremy could easily have walked the journey. This month I have been watching 48 Hours Mystery,In Cold Blood,Medical Detectives,Sins and Secrets and a few other of your trashy American shows and often Police try to get a suspect to return to the scene of the crime,which makes me suspect Ann Eaton received some advice from Stan Jones or others to entice Jeremy back to the Farm post-event. As for the silencer evidence,which is dodgy at best,if it had made a mark on Sheila's neck Jeremy would have left it in situ,and if no mark present just buried it in one of the fields on his tramp home.

I agree, I think he probably walked. I see you're a lot more sceptical these days Steve?

[Steve_uk]

I agree, I think he probably walked. I see you're a lot more sceptical these days Steve?

I have observed a little more of human nature this past year or so outside the artificial school setting especially people's greed for money,and though I do believe Jeremy to be the primary instigator and worthy of the most blame it's become apparent that others in this drama may have had their motives when this crime should have been stopped at source.

[Jan]

Your judgement is skewed and way off.  You are so biased you even ignore the solid evidence that Jeremy called before the murders.

Julie's roomates confirm he called and more importantly so does Jeremy.  The fact Jeremy called her is proof that he went home and didn't simply stay there.

He called her prior to the murders, right after the murders and then again around 6AM to tell her not to go to work because he needed her to speak to police to help substantiate he was worried about his family because he received a call from Nevill.

Jeremy figured she loved him and would not rat him out.  Thus he told her how he wanted to kill them and kept her appraised of some of the actual details. He even thought she wanted to help him by giving him sleeping pills. He was right about her not ratting him out at first but when police came to her because a friend told them what she said then she was stuck between telling them the truth or risking obstruction charges.

Police did have evidence the case could have been made without her testimony.   

 I just reposted - I thought he meant the second call. So take that back .

[scipio_usmc]

The bicycle was not integral to the murders. Jeremy could easily have walked the journey. This month I have been watching 48 Hours Mystery,In Cold Blood,Medical Detectives,Sins and Secrets and a few other of your trashy American shows and often Police try to get a suspect to return to the scene of the crime,which makes me suspect Ann Eaton received some advice from Stan Jones or others to entice Jeremy back to the Farm post-event. As for the silencer evidence,which is dodgy at best,if it had made a mark on Sheila's neck Jeremy would have left it in situ,and if no mark present just buried it in one of the fields on his tramp home.

Walking would have taken a lot longer. Aside from that being a hassle the longer he took the longer they would be dead before he called police and the greater the chance of police being able to prove they were dead before he claims Nevill phoned him.  He thus decided the bike offered the best mix of speed and silence during his planning.  WHether he got lazy and decided to drive or decided to follow through with the bike only he knows.

The police would have been highly suspicious if the moderator were missing. He claimed it wasn't on the gun and put it away and as he hoped that was sufficient to get them to think it was not used. 

 

[Steve_uk]

Walking would have taken a lot longer. Aside from that being a hassle the longer he took the longer they would be dead before he called police and the greater the chance of police being able to prove they were dead before he claims Nevill phoned him.  He thus decided the bike offered the best mix of speed and silence during his planning.  WHether he got lazy and decided to drive or decided to follow through with the bike only he knows.

The police would have been highly suspicious if the moderator were missing. He claimed it wasn't on the gun and put it away and as he hoped that was sufficient to get them to think it was not used.

Why would the Police be looking for a sound moderator? And where were the cycle tracks if he had traversed fields?

[Caroline]

I have observed a little more of human nature this past year or so outside the artificial school setting especially people's greed for money,and though I do believe Jeremy to be the primary instigator and worthy of the most blame it's become apparent that others in this drama may have had their motives when this crime should have been stopped at source.

I agree!

[scipio_usmc]

that is not all exactly true because Julie said in her news of the world interview he never admitted his guilt . So your post does not give the full picture.

Julie said he told her about his plans to kill them and blame Sheila but after the murders claimed to her that he didn't do it himself but instead had hired a hitman. 

[Jan]

Julie said he told her about his plans to kill them and blame Sheila but after the murders claimed to her that he didn't do it himself but instead had hired a hitman.

So he NEVER admitted to her he had done it . But she knew on the night of the murder he had done it.

so she could have been questioning him ( at the request of EP) and he made the hitman thing up because he thought she was stupid.

BTW anyone know when he had time to sleep with Liz rimmington?

[Jane]

So he NEVER admitted to her he had done it . But she knew on the night of the murder he had done it.

so she could have been questioning him ( at the request of EP) and he made the hitman thing up because he thought she was stupid.

BTW anyone know when he had time to sleep with Liz rimmington?

He needn't necessarily have slept with her. It may have been a quickie

[maggie]

He needn't necessarily have slept with her. It may have been a quickie

There are quite a few responses to that Jane, I am resisting the temptation 

[scipio_usmc]

So he NEVER admitted to her he had done it . But she knew on the night of the murder he had done it.

so she could have been questioning him ( at the request of EP) and he made the hitman thing up because he thought she was stupid.

BTW anyone know when he had time to sleep with Liz rimmington?

He told her he planned to kill them but then afterwards told he he hired a hitman.  That amounts to an admission he was responsible and he told her details only the killer would know but claimed they were fed from the hitman.

You are just as culpable legally whether you pull the trigger or hire someone to do it but some consider it less cold blooded to hire someone.  He wanted her to think he was not as horrible plus it provided the fake threat of her having to fear a hitman if she blabbed.