Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?

[Jane]

I 'came out' following the confession but it isn't the easiest of subject matters to get ones head around... And flitting back and forth in denial is quite normal..

Therefore I can totally understand why many people cannot get their head around this phenomenon - including many experts!

Don't forget that denial is part of the grieving process.

[Stephanie]

Don't forget that denial is part of the grieving process.

Indeed - in relation to 'confession/guilt' and 'death.'

[Jane]

Indeed - in relation to 'confession/guilt' and 'death.'

Absolutely. Metaphorical death as opposed to -but not excluding- physical death.

[Stephanie]

Don't forget that denial is part of the grieving process.

Absolutely. Metaphorical death as opposed to -but not excluding- physical death.

I was referring to denial of psychopathy at that time.. Not grief related to learning of psychopathy or death.. If you can get your head round that?

[Stephanie]

Just hazarding a guess here, but if a "significant other" is felt to be giving us what we see as being meaningful and necessary in our lives, it's going to take a jolt of HUMUNGOUS proportions before we're shaken out of lah lah land.

SH retracted his confession several months after his original confession. Not difficult to be shaken out of "lah lah land" when the gaslighting, projections and crazy making ensues.. Even more so given the fact it was done in such a public way..

[Jane]

I was referring to denial of psychopathy at that time.. Not grief related to learning of psychopathy or death.. If you can get your head round that?

Got my head round it, but was seeing the denial of psychopathy as the loss/death of the personality you'd previously believed him to be. None of us would choose to believe it possible that we could be conned in that way. It would be easier for us to deny the psychopathy.

[Stephanie]

SH retracted his confession several months after his original confession. Not difficult to be shaken out of "lah lah land" when the gaslighting, projections and crazy making ensues.. Even more so given the fact it was done in such a public way..

Following the confession and the redaction I witnessed people on forums, news channels (both local & national) websites, blogs and all sorts doubting their own perspectives and struggling to comprehend events - many, again, so called experts in the field of human behaviour..

From the sidelines I saw vigorous and unwavering denial in people coupled with a display of righteous indignation, much of which was aimed at me I might add.

I watched how the gas-lighting appeared particularly effective with some individuals (especially those with their own callous motives and projections) coupled with the other tactics such as the shaming and guilting...

It was astounding to watch how it appeared at times to show just how much control SH wielded into getting other people to doubt their own judgments..

Calling it an eye opener would be an understatement...


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6640.msg314239.html#msg314239

[Stephanie]

Got my head round it, but was seeing the denial of psychopathy as the loss/death of the personality you'd previously believed him to be. None of us would choose to believe it possible that we could be conned in that way. It would be easier for us to deny the psychopathy.

No I meant the denial of the existence of psychopathy - not the denial of psychopathy as the loss/death of the personality/person...

Meaning - it could have been mental health related or another of the B-cluster PD..

https://www.mentalhelp.net/articles/dsm-5-the-ten-personality-disorders-cluster-b/

Psychopathy v ASPD https://www.elementsbehavioralhealth.com/mental-health/psychopathy-vs-antisocial-personality-disorder/

[Stephanie]

It would be easier for us to deny the psychopathy.

Totally agree!

And I continue to see people in denial of psychopathy because it is probably easier for them then admitting they have been duped!

"Psychopaths use emotion to control"

[Stephanie]

Following the confession and the redaction I witnessed people on forums, news channels (both local & national) websites, blogs and all sorts doubting their own perspectives and struggling to comprehend events - many, again, so called experts in the field of human behaviour..

From the sidelines I saw vigorous and unwavering denial in people coupled with a display of righteous indignation, much of which was aimed at me I might add.

I watched how the gas-lighting appeared particularly effective with some individuals (especially those with their own callous motives and projections) coupled with the other tactics such as the shaming and guilting...

It was astounding to watch how it appeared at times to show just how much control SH wielded into getting other people to doubt their own judgments..

Calling it an eye opener would be an understatement...

Hence why I feel I can say without doubt, not from 'gut instinct' (and using the evidence I have seen to date regarding the case) and the repeated patterns of behaviour that surround/follow him that in my strong opinion he is a classic psychopath.

[Stephanie]

I can see the covert manipulation tactics Jeremy Bamber displayed in his witness statements, his blogs, his letters to others... Etc

I can see how his manipulation operates under the level of some peoples conscience awareness.

I can see how he psychologically captivates his victims.

Throw in the fact the police investigation was flawed and grave mistakes made (not unlike the SH case) his power and control knows no bounds..

[Stephanie]

"Requirements for successful manipulation:

According to psychology author George K. Simon, successful psychological manipulation primarily involves the manipulator:[2]

Concealing aggressive intentions and behaviors.

Knowing the psychological vulnerabilities of the victim to determine which tactics are likely to be the most effective.

Having a sufficient level of ruthlessness to have no qualms about causing harm to the victim if necessary.

Consequently, the manipulation is likely to be accomplished through covert aggressive (relational aggressive or passive aggressive) means.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_manipulation

[Stephanie]

It just saddened me Steph,to think that something as trivial as it was would make someone take their life for. A decent young man with a good family. It just didn't/doesn't seem right.

Against those who do commit real crimes but go on living ?  It tells me that those in prison have no shame. Even Shipman killed himself in the end,but as for the young man in question whose only " crime " was bringing shame and embarrassment on the family was something that everyone would have got over in a short space of time.
It shows the stark difference in criminals and this young man who committed suicide.

I oppose the death penalty Lookout therefore do not agree with your sentiments.

"Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?"

And-

I very much doubt Ryan Myers felt things were 'trivial'...  Nor do I believe he committed a crime! His families shame, if they felt any (They had no reason to!), would have been their own projections regarding their own behaviours imo...
The article talks about the shame Ryan felt not his family!

[Adam]

'Meet the psychopaths' is on TV now.

Joanna Dennehy was a psychopath. She drove up to people in broad daylight and stabbed them to death in the street.

Arrested hours later, she smiled and joked with the police.

Bamber was an inheritance killer. Most of these killers having a nil or minimal violent history.

[Adam]

https://youtu.be/bjS1PdaOVsE

John Cannan was charming and a ladies man. He even looked like Bamber.

Similar to Bamber, dispite all the evidence against him, he has always denied his crimes. One of his victims mini was in his garage. He claimed he bought it in an auction.