Russia - worrying?

[nugnug]

how about geordge gallway and criag muray are they reliable sources im not really a fan of galway but ive never known him to make things up unlike the bbc.

[gringo]

Gringo do you believe in zombies and creationism since the theblogmire is a proponent of such ideas?

    You are an absolute moron who literally has nothing of any value to add. I was reading through the Thomas Mair thread earlier. Interesting discussion that I have kept up with from time to time. Seen some of the Rich Hall videos and he raises interesting and controversial things. The interesting posts in that thread aren't yours.
    From a non participant reader of that thread, I find your comments childish and pointless. Roch has put his points well. Others who disagree manage to do so(QC and RJ) and the thread bubbles along and is a good discussion in large part. The small part that isn't is your idiotic contributions which amount to;
     
     Asking if Roch believes in Aliens, constantly.
     Making dumb comments in response to Roch's posts, instead of engaging with the content, making what you believe to be witty comments about people perhaps being abducted by Aliens. (It isn't witty past about Year 6/7, David). It's not even that funny then.
     Ask if Roch if he believes Rich Hall claims about Aliens.
     Framing dumb questions in such a way that they are an obvious false dichotomy that you then claim Roch has to answer that inevitably end with a belief in ... yes you guessed it
      Call everyone who disagrees with him conspiritard.
      Post dumb gifs in response to well thought out and often well written posts.
      And did I mention the Aliens.

    You get the drift. In the same way that I imagine most readers view your childish contributions in that thread, and dismiss them as a distraction because of their childish vacuity I dismiss your contributions here for the same reason.

     A few questions for you, David, in the same spirit of the questions that you ask. They are all rhetorical ( it means they need no reply, David) and are to point out the obvious shortcomings of your tactics and to take the piss a bit.

     You often post links from Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera who reported that Jewish employees were informed in advance of the 9/11 attacks? Do you support those claims?
     If you don't support those claims, are your posts using Al Jazeera now discredited?
     Whenever you link to Al Jazeera should we all ask whether you also believe that all the Jews were warned on 9/11?
     Sounds dumb, doesn't it? That is how you are constantly.
     I am pretty certain that everyone finds all of the above as childish as I do. Carry on with your childish Gifs and Year 5 jokes, nobody is impressed.

     
     

[Steve_uk]

With reference to the Shanghai Cooperation Alliance I can't help but think President Xi and Vladimir Putin could do worse than muse on one of Groucho Marx's famous remarks: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/04/18/groucho-resigns/

[David1819]

    You are an absolute moron

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

[gringo]

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

   It isn't slander because you are a moron.
      Incredible that your take from that post was just the moron comment. Did the rest of it embarrass you and cut too close to the bone for you to comment? Did you only read the first line? Or is it that you have nothing to say about the rest of comment? which effectively describes the behaviour which makes you a moron. Does your non challenge of the rest of the post describing your idiocy mean that you tacitly agree with the rest of it? Here is the part that you haven't repeated in your reply;

 From a non participant reader of that thread, I find your comments childish and pointless. Roch has put his points well. Others who disagree manage to do so(QC and RJ) and the thread bubbles along and is a good discussion in large part. The small part that isn't is your idiotic contributions which amount to;
     
     Asking if Roch believes in Aliens, constantly.
     Making dumb comments in response to Roch's posts, instead of engaging with the content, making what you believe to be witty comments about people perhaps being abducted by Aliens. (It isn't witty past about Year 6/7, David). It's not even that funny then.
     Ask if Roch if he believes Rich Hall claims about Aliens.
     Framing dumb questions in such a way that they are an obvious false dichotomy that you then claim Roch has to answer that inevitably end with a belief in ... yes you guessed it
      Call everyone who disagrees with him conspiritard.
      Post dumb gifs in response to well thought out and often well written posts.
      And did I mention the Aliens.

    You get the drift. In the same way that I imagine most readers view your childish contributions in that thread, and dismiss them as a distraction because of their childish vacuity I dismiss your contributions here for the same reason.

     A few questions for you, David, in the same spirit of the questions that you ask. They are all rhetorical ( it means they need no reply, David) and are to point out the obvious shortcomings of your tactics and to take the piss a bit.

     You often post links from Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera who reported that Jewish employees were informed in advance of the 9/11 attacks? Do you support those claims?
     If you don't support those claims, are your posts using Al Jazeera now discredited?
     Whenever you link to Al Jazeera should we all ask whether you also believe that all the Jews were warned on 9/11?
     Sounds dumb, doesn't it? That is how you are constantly.
     I am pretty certain that everyone finds all of the above as childish as I do. Carry on with your childish Gifs and Year 5 jokes, nobody is impressed.

    Do you have no comment on this? You just want me to withdraw the moron Comment?


     

[nugnug]

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

true but you seem to be the one doing most of the slandring.

[gringo]

   A couple of "tasters" from the article linked at the bottom. Worth reading the whole piece which includes the origins and brief history of the Taiwan issue. This is illuminating in light of the way the issue is being used to foment trouble currently by the West. You will come out the other end of this article with way more understanding than previously.
    A point that I have made repeatedly and will keep on repeating is the idea of history as a narrative arc connected by years, decades and centuries. This article demonstrates precisely that. That is why history rhymes but never repeats.

   
   "It’s a full-time job, keeping track of the US/NATO campaign to start a fire somewhere on China’s borders. It’s like tracking an inept arsonist by satellite image: “Oh, there he goes again…the idiot started a trash fire next to a concrete wall.”

    "So what happens if the US succeeds in hamstringing China’s economy? Welp, what’s the most reliable distraction a gov’t can find when it wants to unite a hard-pressed population against some distant enemy?
That’s when China might actually do something about Taiwan. Oh, not the silly 20th c. style invasion the USN dreams about. That’s nonsense. The PLA has contingency planners too, and they won’t want to play those retro games. There’s a whole new military technology and an evolving strategy to optimize it, and it includes dozens of ways to neutralize carrier battle groups. Planning that campaign is probably the most requested assignment among ambitious PLA planners.

And that’s how this looks, when you stare coldly: If our military and media elites are very lucky, China will zoom ahead and ignore the endless woofing. But if US/NATO somehow succeed in crippling China’s economy, then, as Mao might put it, the flabby Golden Retriever woofing behind its picket fence at the pit bull might find that the yard gate is open."

   Full article link below;

 https://exiledonline.com/the-war-nerd-taiwan-the-thucydides-trapper-who-cried-woof/

   

[David1819]

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/3mwq88/why_do_many_conspiratards_seem_to_be_russian_or/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[Steve_uk]

Gringo are you saying Chinese threats against Taiwan are just bluster?

[gringo]

Gringo are you saying Chinese threats against Taiwan are just bluster?

    I am saying that it is much more complicated than that, Steve. China regard Taiwan as an inseparable part of China. This is also, or was, the position of the Taiwanese authorities. Both regarded themselves as the government of all of China after the civil war ended in 1949 and the remnants of the Kuomintang retreated to the island of Taiwan.
      This has also been the position of the US since 1970's under Nixon and the One China policy recognising the CCP as the rulers of One China. Without outside aggravation the Chinese position is that Taiwan, as Hong Kong, will be integrated eventually. There are no need for hostilities and eventually trade and economic reliance will do the trick better than force/coercion. Not all cultures have the same mindset as colonialist westerners.
      Taiwan is an example of the US betraying their own One China policy in order to( as Gary Brecher in the article posted earlier brilliantly put it) start a fire on China's border, like an inept arsonist. They will fail. The CCP have time and patience.
     

[David1819]

I had a Chinese teacher at secondary school back in 2005/06. He told me that one day China would invade Taiwan, and to me he seemed very convinced of this.

Personally I would be very surprised if China tried. If they succeed they will attract international condemnation and if they fail the CCP will be humiliated. Its a lose-lose scenario for the CCP.

This is an interesting read -
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2021/04/28/an-asymmetric-defense-of-taiwan/

[Steve_uk]

    I am saying that it is much more complicated than that, Steve. China regard Taiwan as an inseparable part of China. This is also, or was, the position of the Taiwanese authorities. Both regarded themselves as the government of all of China after the civil war ended in 1949 and the remnants of the Kuomintang retreated to the island of Taiwan.
      This has also been the position of the US since 1970's under Nixon and the One China policy recognising the CCP as the rulers of One China. Without outside aggravation the Chinese position is that Taiwan, as Hong Kong, will be integrated eventually. There are no need for hostilities and eventually trade and economic reliance will do the trick better than force/coercion. Not all cultures have the same mindset as colonialist westerners.
      Taiwan is an example of the US betraying their own One China policy in order to( as Gary Brecher in the article posted earlier brilliantly put it) start a fire on China's border, like an inept arsonist. They will fail. The CCP have time and patience.
     

But Hong Kong had a deal summarized in "one country, two systems" supposedly for a 50-year period starting from 1997. This has demonstrably been broken. China is also interpreting international maritime law to its own advantage. https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/how-china-bending-rules-south-china-sea

[David1819]

Interesting recent video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYaA69EvHGw

[gringo]

But Hong Kong had a deal summarized in "one country, two systems" supposedly for a 50-year period starting from 1997. This has demonstrably been broken. China is also interpreting international maritime law to its own advantage. https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/how-china-bending-rules-south-china-sea

   The days of Rule Britannia are over, Steve. The UK/US are no longer strong enough to impose their will and rules on China and Russia any longer. They can't even impose their will on countries like Syria now, the Taliban defeated them and Iran are at least their peer in missile and air defence tech.
     The UK just days ago provocatively sailed a warship through the Taiwan Straits alongside the US. This is what provoked the 56 Chinese fighters and bombers to approach, which was inevitably painted as Chinese aggression.
      Remember how the US reacted to USSR placing nukes on Cuba? Cuba is also a recognised sovereign state. No country recognises Taiwan as a state. It is a province of China. It is not recognised as a state at the UN. It is no more a state than the Isle of Wight.
      How would the US react to China fomenting rebellion and arming separatists in Hawaii with anti aircraft missiles, armoured vehicles, artillery etc.? How would that be different to the US arming and fomenting rebellion in China?
      How about Russia fomenting secession and arming separatists in Scotland? How would the UK govt. react? How would that be different from UK/US aggression around the Taiwan issue?
     We are entering, have entered, a multipolar world. Dollar trade is falling and will not long be replaced by countries trading in their own currencies again. This is happening now and will only accelerate. In terms of military power there is nothing the Western powers can do to defeat even Iran now, never mind China and Russia.
     It is an observable reality that US/UK and the rest of their merry band of war criminals, otherwise known as NATO, have spent decades arming, preparing and strategising for war against weaker powers. As such they have built a military machine that can destroy the militaries of weak defenceless countries.
Whilst they have been on a 20 year rampage of unprecedented war crimes invading and subjugating weak but resource rich or strategically important countries, China, Russia and Iran have outplayed them and are turning the tide.
    The end of Western colonialism is something to celebrate for all. Endless wars and suffering are the only result of US/UK foreign policy and the end of their despotic wars should be celebrated. We should not be encouraging yet more provocations under false pretexts. How many times do you need lying to before you realise that you are being lied to? No babies were thrown out of Kuwaiti incubators by Saddam's Iraqi troops. That was a lie. Saddam had no WMD. That was a lie. Libya, Syria, lies. Will you ever figure it out?
    Whilst the US/UK NATO have spent 20/30 years bogged down in increasingly attritional wars, the bogging down being helped along by Iran, Russia and China, all who have played roles to keep Empire bogged down in conflicts that they expected to end swiftly. Yemen, Syria, Venezuela have all been able to resist. This time has allowed the same countries to prepare for a defensive war against a predictable enemy.
     Aircraft Carrier Groups are now obsolete against modern air defence and missile tech. Russia and China are so far ahead in missile tech that it is literally a game changer. NATO cannot win. Their multi billion dollar aircraft carriers negated by missiles that cost a few thousand dollars. Likewise their military bases. 30,000+ US troops in Guam would be instantly killed. Every military base would be instantly vulnerable in any attack against China, Iran, Russia. NATO are equipped for the wrong war against the wrong adversaries and would be readily defeated if they fight those that are prepared for them. It's over.  They are in check everywhere on the board.
     The moves and provocations now demonstrate their powerlessness. It is all show and propaganda now. They have nothing else. If China decide to militarily intervene in Taiwan the US will do nothing because there is nothing they could do. All separatists sponsored by the US are learning that the US has no loyalty and will quickly throw allies under the bus. The rest of the world saw the Afghan debacle and US weakness displayed for all to see. 
     

[Roch]

   The days of Rule Britannia are over, Steve. The UK/US are no longer strong enough to impose their will and rules on China and Russia any longer. They can't even impose their will on countries like Syria now, the Taliban defeated them and Iran are at least their peer in missile and air defence tech.
     The UK just days ago provocatively sailed a warship through the Taiwan Straits alongside the US. This is what provoked the 56 Chinese fighters and bombers to approach, which was inevitably painted as Chinese aggression.
      Remember how the US reacted to USSR placing nukes on Cuba? Cuba is also a recognised sovereign state. No country recognises Taiwan as a state. It is a province of China. It is not recognised as a state at the UN. It is no more a state than the Isle of Wight.
      How would the US react to China fomenting rebellion and arming separatists in Hawaii with anti aircraft missiles, armoured vehicles, artillery etc.? How would that be different to the US arming and fomenting rebellion in China?
      How about Russia fomenting secession and arming separatists in Scotland? How would the UK govt. react? How would that be different from UK/US aggression around the Taiwan issue?
     We are entering, have entered, a multipolar world. Dollar trade is falling and will not long be replaced by countries trading in their own currencies again. This is happening now and will only accelerate. In terms of military power there is nothing the Western powers can do to defeat even Iran now, never mind China and Russia.
     It is an observable reality that US/UK and the rest of their merry band of war criminals, otherwise known as NATO, have spent decades arming, preparing and strategising for war against weaker powers. As such they have built a military machine that can destroy the militaries of weak defenceless countries.
Whilst they have been on a 20 year rampage of unprecedented war crimes invading and subjugating weak but resource rich or strategically important countries, China, Russia and Iran have outplayed them and are turning the tide.
    The end of Western colonialism is something to celebrate for all. Endless wars and suffering are the only result of US/UK foreign policy and the end of their despotic wars should be celebrated. We should not be encouraging yet more provocations under false pretexts. How many times do you need lying to before you realise that you are being lied to? No babies were thrown out of Kuwaiti incubators by Saddam's Iraqi troops. That was a lie. Saddam had no WMD. That was a lie. Libya, Syria, lies. Will you ever figure it out?
    Whilst the US/UK NATO have spent 20/30 years bogged down in increasingly attritional wars, the bogging down being helped along by Iran, Russia and China, all who have played roles to keep Empire bogged down in conflicts that they expected to end swiftly. Yemen, Syria, Venezuela have all been able to resist. This time has allowed the same countries to prepare for a defensive war against a predictable enemy.
     Aircraft Carrier Groups are now obsolete against modern air defence and missile tech. Russia and China are so far ahead in missile tech that it is literally a game changer. NATO cannot win. Their multi billion dollar aircraft carriers negated by missiles that cost a few thousand dollars. Likewise their military bases. 30,000+ US troops in Guam would be instantly killed. Every military base would be instantly vulnerable in any attack against China, Iran, Russia. NATO are equipped for the wrong war against the wrong adversaries and would be readily defeated if they fight those that are prepared for them. It's over.  They are in check everywhere on the board.
     The moves and provocations now demonstrate their powerlessness. It is all show and propaganda now. They have nothing else. If China decide to militarily intervene in Taiwan the US will do nothing because there is nothing they could do. All separatists sponsored by the US are learning that the US has no loyalty and will quickly throw allies under the bus. The rest of the world saw the Afghan debacle and US weakness displayed for all to see. 
   

As much as I kind of want this to be true, it sounds like US capability and defence (aggression) spending is being underestimated by you. They are not a country who will accept lagging behind anyone. So if this the current status quo, I don't expect it to stay static for long. The US will get the upper hand (if it doesn't already have it).