Why is it not fair to point out people have no valid basis for their claims?

[nugnug]

it could of been anybody who reads this forum.


carline if you really think hes a psycophatec killer how do you know hes telling you the truth.

[Mr. Gee]

Grahame I think it's quite obvious that Caroline and April think it was me

That's very sick and another reason why I am glad we have new moderators in place

The abuse is relentless

You know me and you know I would say if I was responsible

That's the last I am going to say about this because Caroline and April have once again made themselves look stupid

They haven't met you and I have and so I know where you ae coming from. Yes I did get the impression that it was yourself they were suspecting. But as you say it was not you I believe you. I do really suspect it was one of those close to Jeremy. In spite of what the campaign team say they do watch this forum very closely. I do not believe that it was you. But hey, who cares anyway? I've had so many lies told about me I don't really care about trolls and gossips any more.

[Caroline]

Grahame I think it's quite obvious that Caroline and April think it was me

That's very sick and another reason why I am glad we have new moderators in place

The abuse is relentless

You know me and you know I would say if I was responsible

That's the last I am going to say about this because Caroline and April have once again made themselves look stupid

No Jackie the only person looking foolish is you! You say you would admit it? You haven't taken responsibility for the MD fiasco in which you insisted he contacted you but from the PM's that were posted, it was obvious to ALL that YOU contacted HIM and you're STILL trying to worm out of it. You prattle on about abuse when the only person dishing abuse out is you!! You joined the forum in order to have a go at me thinking I was someone else, so I really don't know how you have the gall to accuse anyone of abuse!!

You haven't explained what you mean by this post http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5802.msg258592.html#msg258592

We were discussing the questions that Jeremy didn't answer and you wrote "I can't wait for tomorrow I'm sure you will get an answer"

Yes, I do think it was you because of the above and if people read it (and are honest) I'm sure they will think so too!!!

[Caroline]

They haven't met you and I have and so I know where you ae coming from. Yes I did get the impression that it was yourself they were suspecting. But as you say it was not you I believe you. I do really suspect it was one of those close to Jeremy. In spite of what the campaign team say they do watch this forum very closely. I do not believe that it was you. But hey, who cares anyway? I've had so many lies told about me I don't really care about trolls and gossips any more.

I care! Read the link - I don't know the woman but you MUST have noticed that he goads me at every opportunity? You don't like people getting abused Grahame but she is an abuser and the fact that I give back as good as I get shouldn't enter into it. She cannot debate the case and is underhanded. Fair enough if you like her but I choose my friends with more care! You weren't here when she tried to insinuate MD contacted her but it was the other way around, when she was caught out she tried to suggest her PM's here hacked by a mod or admin (she might as well have just said me!). But when that failed she picked up on a weak point where MD mentioned email instead of PM. Anyone who believes this woman should be very careful.

[nugnug]

carline how do you know jeremys not just playing games with you.

[Mr. Gee]

I care! Read the link - I don't know the woman but you MUST have noticed that he goads me at every opportunity? You don't like people getting abused Grahame but she is an abuser and the fact that I give back as good as I get shouldn't enter into it. She cannot debate the case and is underhanded. Fair enough if you like her but I choose my friends with more care! You weren't here when she tried to insinuate MD contacted her but it was the other way around, when she was caught out she tried to suggest her PM's here hacked by a mod or admin (she might as well have just said me!). But when that failed she picked up on a weak point where MD mentioned email instead of PM. Anyone who believes this woman should be very careful.

Yes I can see where you are coming from Caroline. But I think that you also will appreciate where I am coming from as well? But I certainly didn't get that impression when I was just defending myself against the abusers and I was the one who was called the abuser and according to one, "The worst abuser on the forum" which I might add was not refuted by the admin.
When I flare up against people it is because I can see their unnessessary abuse and mocking. But unfortunately some cannot see this and I usually get the blame for it and told I should know better.

I can also see where Jackie is coming from and I can say quite honestly how she is able to put up with all the abuse she got from those who belong to the so called red forum and who now post here is beyond me. I handled the abuse in a different way than she did. But I saw what she went through with threatening phone calls and pizzas and Indian meal delivered to her door and taxis sent round to her. It was so bad that I went to Chelmsford police with her anout those two in particular (both lived abroad) but the cops were the most useless lumps I had ever come across. When I see these pop stars and such getting cases brought against stalkers and the like, yet nothing was done to these two men, one of whom is allowed to post on here. All they said was, "Don't go online then. They can say what they like about you".

So although I certainly can see where you are coming from and believe that Jackie ought to tonethings down a bit. I can also appreciate her position and it would be a good thing if others try to see things from her perspective as well.

[susan]

Mr Gee do you think it fair that Jackie warned Mason Doyle against me can't remember her exact words but he did tell me.  What connection is there between her me and Mason Doyle just don't get it. She is the second person to do that by the way

[Caroline]

Yes I can see where you are coming from Caroline. But I think that you also will appreciate where I am coming from as well? But I certainly didn't get that impression when I was just defending myself against the abusers and I was the one who was called the abuser and according to one, "The worst abuser on the forum" which I might add was not refuted by the admin.
When I flare up against people it is because I can see their unnessessary abuse and mocking. But unfortunately some cannot see this and I usually get the blame for it and told I should know better.

I can also see where Jackie is coming from and I can say quite honestly how she is able to put up with all the abuse she got from those who belong to the so called red forum and who now post here is beyond me. I handled the abuse in a different way than she did. But I saw what she went through with threatening phone calls and pizzas and Indian meal delivered to her door and taxis sent round to her. It was so bad that I went to Chelmsford police with her anout those two in particular (both lived abroad) but the cops were the most useless lumps I had ever come across. When I see these pop stars and such getting cases brought against stalkers and the like, yet nothing was done to these two men, one of whom is allowed to post on here. All they said was, "Don't go online then. They can say what they like about you".

So although I certainly can see where you are coming from and believe that Jackie ought to tonethings down a bit. I can also appreciate her position and it would be a good thing if others try to see things from her perspective as well.

Thanks Grahame, but whatever abuse she got from whoever is nothing to do with me but I certainly don't condone anything like that. However, two wrongs don't make a right and her attitude sucks big style! First she didn't like me because she thought I was Keira, now she KNOWS I'm not but continues to goad simply because I changed my opinion about Jeremy - it's pathetic. If she could debate the case and explain why she believes he's innocent, it would be a start but all she does is bark out posts about how he loved farming - that isn't going to get him far!! Then she makes sinister comments such as the one in the link and wonders why people think she IS sinister. I'm sorry about her abuse but at the moment she is the abuser and I'm not alone in thinking that. She still hasn't explained what she meant by "I can't wait for tomorrow I'm sure you will get an answer"? In the context of what was being discussed when she posted it - is it any wonder that she is prime suspect?

[Mr. Gee]

Mr Gee do you think it fair that Jackie warned Mason Doyle against me can't remember her exact words but he did tell me.  What connection is there between her me and Mason Doyle just don't get it. She is the second person to do that by the way

Hi Susan. If that was so then no I don't. But I also expressed my concern that Jackie should tone things down somewhat. But I am aware of these things. There are ways of dealing with things other than reacting directly against them. For instance I have been wrongly accused of lying and of abusing, but I haven't reacted to these accusations immediately. I would rather suffer these things for the sake of peace, otherwise we get a free for all mud slinging contest which we are all accustomed to.

[Mr. Gee]

Thanks Grahame, but whatever abuse she got from whoever is nothing to do with me but I certainly don't condone anything like that. However, two wrongs don't make a right and her attitude sucks big style! First she didn't like me because she thought I was Keira, now she KNOWS I'm not but continues to goad simply because I changed my opinion about Jeremy - it's pathetic. If she could debate the case and explain why she believes he's innocent, it would be a start but all she does is bark out posts about how he loved farming - that isn't going to get him far!! Then she makes sinister comments such as the one in the link and wonders why people think she IS sinister. I'm sorry about her abuse but at the moment she is the abuser and I'm not alone in thinking that. She still hasn't explained what she meant by "I can't wait for tomorrow I'm sure you will get an answer"? In the context of what was being discussed when she posted it - is it any wonder that she is prime suspect?

Well we all know you are not Keira. I know Keira and recognise the way she writes. I've told Jackie this, whether she believes me is of course another question? I did in fact try to email Keira the other day. I know she still uses that email because it wasn't returned to my mailbox. But she just doesn't want to be involved with the case any more. In my opinion she got involved too deep with another member here. I warned her about the deception she was attempting. She didn't listen. Her private address and her picture was pasted on the "red" forum and the membershe was involved with here remarked when he saw her picture saying something like, "How can anyone fancy her?" and so she left. So I know for certain that you are not her and Jackie should know that as well.
Jackie can be abrasive sometimes. It's just her character I suppose. But she really was quite a nice person when I met her. Unfortunately the image that we all portray on here is a very imperfect one and I suspect none of us is capable of conveying our true personalities in a forum such as this one?

[susan]

Mr Gee I totally agree I have tried believe me and still try to remain dignified

[Caroline]

Well we all know you are not Keira. I know Keira and recognise the way she writes. I've told Jackie this, whether she believes me is of course another question? I did in fact try to email Keira the other day. I know she still uses that email because it wasn't returned to my mailbox. But she just doesn't want to be involved with the case any more. In my opinion she got involved too deep with another member here. I warned her about the deception she was attempting. She didn't listen. Her private address and her picture was pasted on the "red" forum and the membershe was involved with here remarked when he saw her picture saying something like, "How can anyone fancy her?" and so she left. So I know for certain that you are not her and Jackie should know that as well.
Jackie can be abrasive sometimes. It's just her character I suppose. But she really was quite a nice person when I met her. Unfortunately the image that we all portray on here is a very imperfect one and I suspect none of us is capable of conveying our true personalities in a forum such as this one?

I understand what you're saying but I think Jackie is more than just abrasive - she has done things to try and discredit people such as MD and while she fails to explain 'exactly' what she meant by "I can't wait for tomorrow I'm sure you will get an answer"? I will continue to believe that it was her and that she is an abusive, sinister character who is quite underhanded and prepared to do anything to undermine anyone who thinks Jeremy is guilty.

[Alias]

Thanks you Alias - it is indeed VERY creepy. He had no idea and when I asked the question about the wallet, I just expected  a simple answer - I thought it would be a niggle that would go away. You have your own niggles I'm sure and maybe if you had a similar response, it might make you feel different.

I am trying to turn the situation around and imagine what I would think if I were Jeremy, and someone asked me a question like that. I think I would suspect that the person asking was having doubts about me.

[Mr. Gee]

I understand what you're saying but I think Jackie is more than just abrasive - she has done things to try and discredit people such as MD and while she fails to explain 'exactly' what she meant by "I can't wait for tomorrow I'm sure you will get an answer"? I will continue to believe that it was her and that she is an abusive, sinister character who is quite underhanded and prepared to do anything to undermine anyone who thinks Jeremy is guilty.

Yes I can see what you mean. Concerning MD. I think that he has been deceiving us into thinking he is a pro Bamber. But in reality he believes him to be guilty. I rather feel that he is the one who is being deceptive and Jackie knows this. I am not saying of course this gives her licence to be abusive herself. I'm trying not to offend anyone here and perhaps that is not the right way of going about it. But I'm just trying to see things from all sides and it isn't easy when you like all of the parties concerned.

[nugnug]

i not sure what to make of MD i think we will have to waite till hes book comes out if it ever does.