Why is it not fair to point out people have no valid basis for their claims?

[scipio_usmc]

Why is it considering bullying to point out when people are operating based on bias and not based on evidence?

When people do lie and distort why is it not permissible to call them on it? 

Moreover, why do posts calling me a liar which I refute which evidence end up being deleted and thus also erasing the evidence I present to refute it?

Posts where lookout called me a liar but offered no evidence to establish it- gone.  I didn't complain about such posts and ask them to be deleted the way alias begs for posts launched against her to be deleted. They get deleted and then it is presented as me picking on lookout or whoever with there posts often missing.   

Reader asserted I lied and made up the claim that Jeremy told police Sheila fired all guns in the house.  I attached images of 5 different statements from police discussing such.  Reade lacked the guts to respond to the evidence that proved I didn't make up anything.  He ignored it so in a different post I noted he lacked the balls to even respond.  My post challenging him to repsond was not touched just criticized but his post accusing me of lying and my proof Jeremy did it were erased so the record of him falsely accusing me was erased and more siginficantly the post showing exactly what police were told by Jeremy.  It seems that attcks on me are erased to hide that people attack me and hide my substantive response to such attacks.

My posts illustrate the proper way to respond to a charge.  You respond substantively with evidence to refute a charge if it is untrue.  If you can't and instead they produce evidence against you that is the nature of the beast with respect to debating.

If there is a debate where 1 person claims another names and the other responds with names and it just goes back and forth like that then it serves no purpose and all and I can see mods stepping in.

When there are substantive charges levied and/or refuted I do not understand mods stepping in.

I prefer any attacks on me to stand and not be deleted. I'm a big boy I can handle the attacks and have never responded by saying FU or calling the people curse words which I would agree is not appropriate though I also prefer when people call me curse words to leave it up as well.  Let the people modify their posts if it embarrassess them too much.  Maybe they will learn something in the process.

[Patti]

I have moved this to off topic. Hope you don't mind.

[guest154]

Just have to lump it I am afraid, Scip. I saw your posts to Lookout - were her posts based on absolutely NOTHING? Yes they were and they OFTEN are. Quite often we're told that we are not allowed to post personal things about members - but what about the disgusting posts members make about people not on the forum?  That seems to be okay. 
Lookout called you fucking nasty today, which I reported but it's been said that post WILL stay.


Although I tihnk you've been too personal at times with Lookout I don't think you were today. You exposed her POSTS. You've also been too personal at times with Alias - but she has been just as bad with you and has even followed you onto other forums to try and prove her point - this is ignored.

I know the mods can't view EVERY posts but syaing this too many times seems an excuse as I remember Patti attacking Caroline for saying she didn't see Hartleys post. 

[Alias]

A new lie about me, skip, you can´t help yourself, can you? I have never asked to have posts removed. Never ever. Not mine, not other people´s, not even your vile and constant attacks on me and others.
Any moderator or admin, present and past, can confirm this.
Neither have I sent complaints about other posters.
Needed to clear that up - I am fed up with the lies you make up about me.

Skip: the way alias begs for posts launched against her to be deleted.

I am outraged by this!

[Patti]

Just have to lump it I am afraid, Scip. I saw your posts to Lookout - were her posts based on absolutely NOTHING? Yes they were and they OFTEN are. Quite often we're told that we are not allowed to post personal things about members - but what about the disgusting posts members make about people not on the forum?  That seems to be okay. 
Lookout called you fucking nasty today, which I reported but it's been said that post WILL stay.


Although I tihnk you've been too personal at times with Lookout I don't think you were today. You exposed her POSTS. You've also been too personal at times with Alias - but she has been just as bad with you and has even followed you onto other forums to try and prove her point - this is ignored.

I know the mods can't view EVERY posts but syaing this too many times seems an excuse as I remember Patti attacking Caroline for saying she didn't see Hartleys post. 

Quit stirring it Mat will you. Can I remind you that you are a member of the red forum. Go over there and say this to the members over there if its something you feel strongly about about.  And bringing up that about Caroline just goes to show me the type of person you are. Feel free to feed the fuel and all that.

You forget how many times I stuck up for you. Just thought I would remind you. 

[Alias]

Just have to lump it I am afraid, Scip. I saw your posts to Lookout - were her posts based on absolutely NOTHING? Yes they were and they OFTEN are. Quite often we're told that we are not allowed to post personal things about members - but what about the disgusting posts members make about people not on the forum?  That seems to be okay. 
Lookout called you fucking nasty today, which I reported but it's been said that post WILL stay.


Although I tihnk you've been too personal at times with Lookout I don't think you were today. You exposed her POSTS. You've also been too personal at times with Alias - but she has been just as bad with you and has even followed you onto other forums to try and prove her point - this is ignored.

I know the mods can't view EVERY posts but syaing this too many times seems an excuse as I remember Patti attacking Caroline for saying she didn't see Hartleys post. 

WHAT???

WTF is wrong with you - following skip! Now I´ve heard everything!

[guest154]

Quit stirring it Mat will you. Can I remind you that you are a member of the red forum. Go over there and say this to the members over there is its something you feel strongly about about.  And bringing up that about Caroline just goes to show me the type of person you are. Feel free to feed the fuel and all that.

You for get how many times I stuck up for you. Just thought I would remind you. 

Patti you are also a member of the red forum, so I don't see your point? I'm not stirring and there is no need for me to post anything on the red forum as I am replying to THIS post on the blue forum. Your posts to Caroline are on the open forum and I just used them as an example to Scip that things aren't fair all the time.

If he is going to last here he needs to just grin and bare it.

WHAT???

WTF is wrong with you - following skip! Now I´ve heard everything!

Yes you did.    You went onto the amytiville website after googling his username and screen shot it. Surely I'm not the only one who remembers that? 

[Alias]

Patti you are also a member of the red forum, so I don't see your point? I'm not stirring and there is no need for me to post anything on the red forum as I am replying to THIS post on the blue forum. Your posts to Caroline are on the open forum and I just used them as an example to Scip that things aren't fair all the time.

If he is going to last here he needs to just grin and bare it.


Yes you did.    You went onto the amytiville website after googling his username and screen shot it. Surely I'm not the only one who remembers that? 

Oh, but I wasn´t really interested in scipio - it was the name that rang a bell, so I googled it. Something to do with ancient Rome. You could say I stumbled upon that post

[guest154]

Oh, but I wasn´t really interested in scipio - it was the name that rang a bell, so I googled it. Something to do with ancient Rome. You could say I stumbled upon that post

Ok.

[Patti]

Patti you are also a member of the red forum, so I don't see your point? I'm not stirring and there is no need for me to post anything on the red forum as I am replying to THIS post on the blue forum. Your posts to Caroline are on the open forum and I just used them as an example to Scip that things aren't fair all the time.

If he is going to last here he needs to just grin and bare it.


Yes you did.    You went onto the amytiville website after googling his username and screen shot it. Surely I'm not the only one who remembers that? 

For your information I registered over there to help Susan, a long time ago and I have been a member over there ever since. One thing I don't do is go over there and tells tales.  I also don't go over there to cause anyone any bother, nor do I gossip about people behind closed doors, or gang up on anyone.

What I said to Caroline I said in the open, not behind her back. 

 

[guest154]

For your information I registered over there to help Susan, a long time ago and I have been a member over there ever since. One thing I don't do is go over there and tells tales.  I also don't go over there to cause anyone any bother, nor do I gossip about people behind closed doors, or gang up on anyone.

What I said to Caroline I said in the open, not behind her back.

Nor do I, Patti? I barely post on the red forum and often only log on there when NGB wants posts removing or when I need to PM people that I can't reply to on the blue because of the new PM limits that have been set here.

I have posted once on the RED forum today asking that Mike's phone number isn't abused.

[scipio_usmc]

A new lie about me, skip, you can´t help yourself, can you? I have never asked to have posts removed. Never ever. Not mine, not other people´s, not even your vile and constant attacks on me and others.
Any moderator or admin, present and past, can confirm this.
Neither have I sent complaints about other posters.
Needed to clear that up - I am fed up with the lies you make up about me.

Skip: the way alias begs for posts launched against her to be deleted.

I am outraged by this!

It's not a lie at all, I saw a post where you demanded the mods remove my post.  You whine like a child because you are incapable of winning a debate.

You have no idea what proof and evidence even are. You are so irraitonal you claim that based on the limited knowledge we have of Sheila you can say she had no metnal illness and that she was misdiagnosed.  Your bias is undenaible and your claims of sitting on the fence not the least bit credible.  You are a staunch Jeremy support masquerading as a fence sitter like Graham was doing.   

[guest154]

It's not a lie at all, I saw a post where you demanded the mods remove my post.  You whine like a child because you are incapable of winning a debate.

You have no idea what proof and evidence even are. You are so irraitonal you claim that based on the limited knowledge we have of Sheila you can say she had no metnal illness and that she was misdiagnosed.  Your bias is undenaible and your claims of sitting on the fence not the least bit credible.  You are a staunch Jeremy support masquerading as a fence sitter like Graham was doing.

I don't think Alias is a fence sitter, I've posted with her for a couple of years now on the blue and the red and I'd say she is a guilter, quite clearly. Not sure where you get the idea she is a fence sitter.  I do think you can be harsh at times and it is probably better to ignore each other, sometimes two people just don't get along

[Patti]

It's not a lie at all, I saw a post where you demanded the mods remove my post.  You whine like a child because you are incapable of winning a debate.

You have no idea what proof and evidence even are. You are so irraitonal you claim that based on the limited knowledge we have of Sheila you can say she had no metnal illness and that she was misdiagnosed.  Your bias is undenaible and your claims of sitting on the fence not the least bit credible.  You are a staunch Jeremy support masquerading as a fence sitter like Graham was doing.

I suppose you think this post is expectable? I locked the other thread to stop this sort of thing and then you open a new thread to continue your attack.

I will ask for a warning to be given to you. I have no other choice.

[Jane]

For your information I registered over there to help Susan, a long time ago and I have been a member over there ever since. One thing I don't do is go over there and tells tales.  I also don't go over there to cause anyone any bother, nor do I gossip about people behind closed doors, or gang up on anyone.

What I said to Caroline I said in the open, not behind her back.

And Caroline liked it just as much as I when you announced to the whole forum that you had no confidence in us and we should step down. You must have felt REALLY proud of yourself.There ARE times when it's better to say nothing.