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Offline JackiePreece

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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #75 on: July 11, 2014, 07:49:PM »
Thank you Gringo I have some very exciting news which I will email Ngb tonight and he can make the decision what he thinks I should do.
It will definitely put this case in the public arena once again
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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #76 on: July 11, 2014, 07:51:PM »
Never mind.Keep taking the tablets. ;D

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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #77 on: July 11, 2014, 07:52:PM »
Thank you Gringo I have some very exciting news which I will email Ngb tonight and he can make the decision what he thinks I should do.
It will definitely put this case in the public arena once again





Sounds good,Jackie.

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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #78 on: July 11, 2014, 08:16:PM »
It is very good news,  some things are meant to be
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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #79 on: July 11, 2014, 08:20:PM »
Aren't you also a propagandist ? After all you're doing a good job of TRYING to prove his guilt with NO proof ! Clever,that . You're as bad as the clowns who attended the trial spluttering their way through what they KNEW was a tissue of lies.

Is it also customary for high-ranking officers to treat relatives to a slap-up meal after such a trial ? If that wasn't done to soften the blow,I don't know what was. It was despicable !
They didn't have trouble eating their way through a banquet after sending an innocent man to prison.
Plans for a " knees-up " were dismissed smartish on account of more bad publicity with the press.

His guilt was already proven.  At any rate I provided not only the reasons why I believe he is guilty but the proof upon which those beliefs are based.

I laid out the evidence bare for all to see and try to discredit.

Most just make unsupported claims that fail to address my points and evidence and those who do address some of them simply post unsupported opinion that makes no sense.  For instanc ebogus claims about multiple moderators which were disproved by COLP and thus can't be proven at all by anyone here with any credible evidence.

Evidence proves it is a fact that Sheila was shot while seated propped up against something.  The evidenc eof such is by virtue of the blood going down her shoulder and arm.  That can ONLY happen if she was seated.  If she were not propped against somethign she woudl have fallen flat down and woudl not have bled on her shoulder and arm.

Evidence proves it is a fact that shortly after dying sheila's body was moved flat.  While she was still bleeding she was moved flat and the blood leaked down the side of her neck onto the floor where it pooled.

Evidence proves it is a fact that the bible was placed in the pool of blood that formed after she died and thus got a stain from the pool.  It is a fact that the bible had mirror image stains of adjacent pages indicating it had been repeatedly opened and closed while the blood was still wet.  So the bible was opened and closed in a pool of blood that formed after she was dead.

Evidence proves it is a fact the moderator was attached and used during the struggle in the kitchen and still attached when Sheila was shot.  It is a fact she could not have shot herself with the moderator attached let alone after she was dead have removed the moderator and put it away in the closet.

All of this evidence proves someone else killed her, someone other than the victims.  Jeremy is th eonly other person who knew what happaened and th eonly way he would know is if he were the murderer.  Clearly he made up the phone call from Nevill to frame her and he did many other things to frame other which I discussed in detail already.

This is the proof that Jeremy is guilty.  All this evidence must be rebutted in orde rot establish he is innocent but neither you nor any other Jeremy supporter has been able to provide any evidence to rebut it that is why he is locked up in prison.
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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #80 on: July 11, 2014, 08:45:PM »
Yes,Sheila was moved,but prove that it was Jeremy who moved her !

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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #81 on: July 11, 2014, 09:19:PM »
YOUR  belief,Scipio ! Not the same as everyone else's.

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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #82 on: July 11, 2014, 10:04:PM »
YOUR  belief,Scipio ! Not the same as everyone else's.

My beliefs are supported by eivdnece your are not so your beliefs are wholly meaningless and worthless.

My beliefs don't matter the evidence that they are based on does though.  That evidence is why he is rotting in jail and unless and until it is ever disproved will regard him as proven guilty.

"Presume innocent until proven guilty"  He is are the proven guilty stage no longer presumed innocent and he was proven innocent by evidence. 

Your unsupported opinion tha the is innocent anyway means nothing at all.  All that matters is whether your beliefs are based on evidence that can prove he is innocent by refuting the evidence that proves him guilty. 
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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #83 on: July 11, 2014, 10:16:PM »
Scipio

the crime scene could have been moved by the police and I posted evidence email from a forensic expert that explained the blood evidence had still been misunderstood.  Which means the silencer may not have even been used. You know as well as anyone else that when you put two "experts" in a court of law then it will often boil down to who presents their argument in the most convincing way. And just because someone else has been found guilty by a court of law it does not PROVE guilt. Otherwise we would never have appeals or MOJ would we?

You are presenting your arguments in what you feel is the most convincing way. But as he is exactly where you want him and where you think know he should be then you are wasting your time. I just hope when there is good news , which I think there will be you have some humility.

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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #84 on: July 11, 2014, 10:42:PM »
So Caroline you have made your position clear on Jeremy do you now intend to fight to keep him in prison on the forums or have you lost interest in the case now?

Hi Jackie and welcome back. To be honest, I'm still not 100% convinced either way but because I think he was framed as far as the silencer goes, I think he should have a retrial.
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« Reply #85 on: July 11, 2014, 10:50:PM »
Well I too and undecided. But at least your indecision gets praise from scipio and he doesn't call you a liar like he has me.

Neither of us are liars! Confused maybe, but not liars!
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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #86 on: July 11, 2014, 11:09:PM »
He's a twit. But I don't always keep on about it. I just accept that he's only an America and endure his garrulous meaningless essays.

Language Grahame ;D
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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #87 on: July 12, 2014, 02:01:AM »
Do you imagine me to be some kind of Svengali who can control people's minds and make them follow my thinking? Martin, you seriously have some kind of a problem!! However, the silencer being faked doesn't mean Jeremy Bamber is innocent and now you have pushed me - I will further say that, he is very confident that the silencer wasn't used. It has been heavily involved in his appeals and underwent DNA testing. There had to be a LOT of confidence that the silencer wasn't used to go down that road and only someone who was SURE it wasn't used could be that confident and the only way someone could be that confident is if they were involved.

"However, the silencer being faked doesn't mean Jeremy Bamber is innocent and now you have pushed me - I will further say that, he is very confident that the silencer wasn't used.

It has been heavily involved in his appeals and underwent DNA testing. There had to be a LOT of confidence that the silencer wasn't used to go down that road and only someone who was SURE it wasn't used could be that confident and the only way someone could be that confident is if they were involved."

So that’s one of your reasons for thinking he’s guilty. Well at least it's something. It’s assertions without reasons to back them up which I don’t like.

Seriously, though, do you really consider that to be a powerful argument? I mean wouldn't he be just as confident if he was completely innocent?

A feeling of suspicion.


It seems to me that your modus operandi these days is to try to stir up a feeling of suspicion on the basis of something which hardly seems to justify it-like Jeremy knowing how much was in his father's wallet-and to try to read much more into it than is really there.

Incidentally, I have always taken a close interest in your views, because I was very much impressed by your reasoning. There was a certain similarity to Keira, who also argued a case well. That is why I find it so hard to understand how you can be sincere writing the kind of stuff which you would only have made fun of before.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.msg243191.html#msg243191

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“Something has always bugged me about Jeremy's story of what happened the previous evening, specifically - why it took him so long to take the last trailer to the combine.”

Well, maybe he was a bit tired!
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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #88 on: July 12, 2014, 03:37:AM »
Unfortunately for Jeremy, after conviction the jury's decision is held as final, so that the burden of proof does actually shift from the Crown Prosecution to the one convicted. This is because of the simple nature of the jury system, which respects the decision of 12 persons of his own peers. It is probably, although not perfect the best system of justice in a democratic society?

That is incorrect Grahame, the burden of proof is on the prosecution to establish guilt.

If the evidence on which the conviction was based is accepted by the  Court of Appeal as unreliable that will lead to the conviction being quashed.

The point is simply that the defence at appeal is not required to prove actual innocence, but only to discredit  the basis of the conviction.

Bamber was convicted on the basis of the silencer evidence so, if it is accepted by the Court that it was fabricated, the conviction should be overturned. Julie Mugford's testimony is easy to expose as full of lies. That does not mean it would be overturned, but it is what should happen according to the law.

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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #89 on: July 12, 2014, 10:21:AM »
Hello Grahame I agree Caroline is I guess like most of us undecided.  Your posts to Scipio make me laugh but I think he is not a bad guy just not a steve uk with words don't take it personally :).