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Offline grahameb

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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #195 on: July 16, 2014, 07:40:PM »
WHat did doctors do as a result?  DO they know if he had been skipping meds?  DO they assess him as a damnger to hurt anyone as a result?

Sheila had not attached anyone during any episodes.  The worst episode anyone can come up with is Freddie's account where she never actually attacked him or anyone else and instantly calmed down upon seeing Nevill.

In the meatime that episode was a result of her not taking her medication and she had delusions about Freddie who her doctor said was a bad influence on her.  Since she admitted to taking drugs to the doctor and he wa ssupplying them that has to be part of the basis for his assessment of why he was  a bad influence one who have to assume since the rationale was not disclosed.

The simple reality is that virtually all murders or even attempted murders by schizophrenics occur while having delusions where:

1) they have never been diagnosed and thus not undergoing treatment
2) they are acting under the influence of narcotics or alcohol
3) they stopped taking their medication regularly  when you stop medication it is like when yo umiss the birth control pill sometimes, missing it throws off the effectiveness.

Another reality is that they didn't just suddenly resort to murder.  They had a history of violence and built up to it as they got progressively worse over time.

They had episodes of violence like your friend might have endured from his son that occurred with more frequency over time without any sucessful treatment intervening.

What warning signs were there with Sheila?  None no violence displayed towards otheres ever during episodes the only violence displayed against anyone was her husband during arguments throwing things at him and that was not from the illness.  In the meantime that was not recent.

The only thing worthy of note after her relase from the hostpital at the end of March is that she had all the warning signs of being over sedated.

Haldol has major tranquilizing properties which is why a countering agent is usually taken daily.  The countering agents cause agitation sometimes because they are stimulants.  She wasn't taking one  so she was being tanquilized.  Hence why her husband, mother-in-law, famaily and even friends like Freddie described her as very slow talking, vacant, tired etc.  These are all signs of being tranquilized to the point where it inhibits activity.  Her doctor stated he believed she was over medicated based on the descriptions of others.

This would not only make her less likely because she would be unlikely to become delusional in such state worse she would physically be less capable. 

This case was a very tough one for the defense because all of the evidence was in favor of the prosecution.  Rivlin often gets a bad rap but he had very little to work with.  There are cases where you can say a lawyer missed evidence he could have used and used a poor strategy. He did the best he could with the crappy case he faced.
That's what I mean by unpredicatable. Neither had my friend's son been violent before. In fact he is quite a docile person.

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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #196 on: July 16, 2014, 07:42:PM »
Scipio------------there are NEVER any warning signs with schizophrenics,,apart from the calm before the storm,,which can't always be taken as a sign,but nevertheless does also occur.

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Re: The campaign against Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #197 on: July 22, 2014, 07:59:PM »
Thank you Gringo I have some very exciting news which I will email Ngb tonight and he can make the decision what he thinks I should do.
It will definitely put this case in the public arena once again
Hi Jackie, great to see you back. Any idea when you might be able to share this news with us?