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Offline Caroline

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The Last Trailer
« on: July 07, 2014, 04:40:PM »
Something has always bugged me about Jeremy's story of what happened the previous evening, specifically - why it took him so long to take the last trailer to the combine. He claims to have come back to the house at 8 or 9pm (I'm sure he could have been more specific), had some supper in the kitchen where there was a discussion about Sheila. However, was this discussion ONLY about Sheila? What if he was just fed up and couldn't be arsed to take the last trailer to the combine (or just said he couldn't to cause an argument as part of his plan). I imagine Neville would have been furious and told Jeremy to get his finger out which might have gravitated to him threatening to move Sheila into his cottage and Jeremy back to WHF so they could keep and eye on him.

Either way, Jeremy said he took the trailer to the combine after putting the gun on the settle, did some work in a field and came back to WHF on foot? Why wouldn't he have just waited for the trailer to fill and take it back to WHF? Instead he left it there and claims his dad agreed to collect the last load? It was almost 10pm?? That doesn't make sense - it was collected but who really collected it and when? Perhaps Jeremy planned the trailer episode, taking it across country to as far as he could get as the crow flies to Goldhanger or the nearest access road, path, he then walks back, tells his dad he will get the load in the morning, at which point Neville flies off the handle and tells him it needs doing tonight. He has something to eat, perhaps messes with the gun or maybe that didn't happen. He leaves around 9:45, takes his car with an excuse that it will be quicker to drive to the field to collect the trailer, when actually, he drives home, makes his call to Julie (first part of the alibi – he's home by 10) and walks across land back to the trailer, leaving his car at home for the neighbours to see.

After returning to the trailer, he completes the last load and takes it back to WHF, he doesn't need to break in, his dad is expecting him and maybe he agrees to stay the night to make an early start in the morning. So, he's already in the house and only needs to get out of a window 'after' killing everyone. He may have been supposed to sleep in the other single bed in Sheila's room – perhaps that's why his dads slippers were next to the bed because Jeremy borrowed them?

Before leaving WHF after the murders, he calls his number which is intercepted by his answer phone, he clicks the release button making sure the call is disconnected and puts the receiver on the worktop and walks home across the fields which as the crow flies, is a short distance.

Babs Wilson said she called Neville at 9:30 to ask about dropping a bike off for the twins and he was in a really bad mood (as he would be if in his eyes, Jeremy was taking the piss), Jeremy said he left WHF at 9:45 and they were ALL in a good mood. This being the case (and given that BW only lives 5 mins away) why didn't he ask Jeremy to go and collect the bike?

One of the first things he took from WHF on his return (after looking for the wallet) was to collect the video – perhaps he taped the programmes he claimed to have watched on the WHF video? No one would have checked as they thought he spent the evening at Goldhanger or at least most of it.

He has secured an alibi in several ways, he made the call to Julie, his car is in the drive, he tells everyone that Neville collected the last trailer giving the impression it was collected after he left. If anyone saw the trailer in the fields that night, from what Jeremy said, they would have assumed it was Neville.

He had to have an alibi because if he had just let someone find the scene in the morning, he might still have been a suspect and the police may have started looking at him from day one and he wouldn't have had time to get rid of things like the video tape, the clothes he was wearing etc.

OK, off to put on my tin hat and dig out a bunker  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: The Last Trailer
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2014, 04:52:PM »
Hi Caroline your story is well thought out and very credible but how did Jeremy overcome three adults and manage to shoot Sheila in the neck twice these are things that bug me I can put him at the scene quite easily but how he managed to kill them all really does puzzle me.  Can you help here and give me your take on it.  The marks on Ralphs back why? was this to make it look like Sheila had carried out the murders.  Would he then after killing his entire family take Ralph's wallet from his pocket and count the money and put it back knowing he could collect it next day.  I have always thought Jeremy Bamber was quite devious and capable of committing a crime the fact he broke into the caravan park tells me he was a man without a soul the fact he would steal from his own who were so good to him.

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Re: The Last Trailer
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2014, 05:20:PM »
Hi Caroline  back again cannot understand how he could fill the trailer without the combine moving and cutting and filling the trailer in the process this would require a second driver.  Am I not understanding this or what or was farming different back in the 1980's :'( 

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Re: The Last Trailer
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2014, 05:22:PM »
Think you're definitely going to need the hat, Caroline, but be that as it may, I can't fault what you've said. It's totally plausible. Are we looking at what happened?

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Re: The Last Trailer
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2014, 05:24:PM »
Hello april can you explain to silly me how the combine and the trailer work with just one man :'(

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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2014, 05:33:PM »
april/Caroline  just had a chat with a man who may know and have been told that it could have been done by one man as the system then was so different to what it is now as you probably know the trailer runs in tandum with the combine whilst cutting and is loaded through a shoot whilst moving.  Think I will go and drink Martin's bottle. :'( or join Caroline in her bunker. :'(

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Re: The Last Trailer
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2014, 05:34:PM »
 Now I'd read somewhere that there was an " arrangement " in place to put Sheila at Goldhanger,with the boys,so that the family could keep an eye on them. So far as I can gather,Jeremy was willing to move out of Goldhanger to allow his sister to be there instead,,but it's a bit vague about where Jeremy ends up,unless it was where Sheila was at Maida Vale.
However,it appeared that Sheila was quite happy,or so she'd said,,where she was, because she preferred London and its " party scene ",in preference to being so close to WHF.

I'll have to see if I can find where I read that.

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2014, 05:36:PM »
lookout  I seem to think I heard this at one stage but cannot provide you with a source ;D

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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2014, 06:01:PM »
april/Caroline  just had a chat with a man who may know and have been told that it could have been done by one man as the system then was so different to what it is now as you probably know the trailer runs in tandum with the combine whilst cutting and is loaded through a shoot whilst moving.  Think I will go and drink Martin's bottle. :'( or join Caroline in her bunker. :'(

Jeremy said his father was going to bring the last trailer load so regardless of whether it was Jeremy or Neville (because according to Jeremy, it was brought in) it would have been done by one man. Far more likely that it was Jeremy and not Neville who would have had to go out in the field around 10pm to do so.
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Re: The Last Trailer
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2014, 06:05:PM »
Hi Caroline your story is well thought out and very credible but how did Jeremy overcome three adults and manage to shoot Sheila in the neck twice these are things that bug me I can put him at the scene quite easily but how he managed to kill them all really does puzzle me.  Can you help here and give me your take on it.  The marks on Ralphs back why? was this to make it look like Sheila had carried out the murders.  Would he then after killing his entire family take Ralph's wallet from his pocket and count the money and put it back knowing he could collect it next day.  I have always thought Jeremy Bamber was quite devious and capable of committing a crime the fact he broke into the caravan park tells me he was a man without a soul the fact he would steal from his own who were so good to him.

Because he had a loaded gun Susan, one magazine would have been enough to kill both June and Neville. I think the marks on Neville's back could have happened any time and may not be related to the murders. He would count the money in the wallet to find out how much ready cash was available to him - IF - he killed for gain, these things would be important.
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Re: The Last Trailer
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2014, 06:17:PM »
Caroline I am with you but I thought loads of money was spent to ascertain whether the marks on Ralphs back were inflicted without a silencer on the rifle.  It is so dreadful to think his parents would have known it was their son who was killing them does not bear thinking about :'( :'( :'(

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Re: The Last Trailer
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2014, 06:18:PM »
Something has always bugged me about Jeremy's story of what happened the previous evening, specifically - why it took him so long to take the last trailer to the combine. He claims to have come back to the house at 8 or 9pm (I'm sure he could have been more specific), had some supper in the kitchen where there was a discussion about Sheila. However, was this discussion ONLY about Sheila? What if he was just fed up and couldn't be arsed to take the last trailer to the combine (or just said he couldn't to cause an argument as part of his plan). I imagine Neville would have been furious and told Jeremy to get his finger out which might have gravitated to him threatening to move Sheila into his cottage and Jeremy back to WHF so they could keep and eye on him.

Either way, Jeremy said he took the trailer to the combine after putting the gun on the settle, did some work in a field and came back to WHF on foot? Why wouldn't he have just waited for the trailer to fill and take it back to WHF? Instead he left it there and claims his dad agreed to collect the last load? It was almost 10pm?? That doesn't make sense - it was collected but who really collected it and when? Perhaps Jeremy planned the trailer episode, taking it across country to as far as he could get as the crow flies to Goldhanger or the nearest access road, path, he then walks back, tells his dad he will get the load in the morning, at which point Neville flies off the handle and tells him it needs doing tonight. He has something to eat, perhaps messes with the gun or maybe that didn't happen. He leaves around 9:45, takes his car with an excuse that it will be quicker to drive to the field to collect the trailer, when actually, he drives home, makes his call to Julie (first part of the alibi – he's home by 10) and walks across land back to the trailer, leaving his car at home for the neighbours to see.

After returning to the trailer, he completes the last load and takes it back to WHF, he doesn't need to break in, his dad is expecting him and maybe he agrees to stay the night to make an early start in the morning. So, he's already in the house and only needs to get out of a window 'after' killing everyone. He may have been supposed to sleep in the other single bed in Sheila's room – perhaps that's why his dads slippers were next to the bed because Jeremy borrowed them?

Before leaving WHF after the murders, he calls his number which is intercepted by his answer phone, he clicks the release button making sure the call is disconnected and puts the receiver on the worktop and walks home across the fields which as the crow flies, is a short distance.

Babs Wilson said she called Neville at 9:30 to ask about dropping a bike off for the twins and he was in a really bad mood (as he would be if in his eyes, Jeremy was taking the piss), Jeremy said he left WHF at 9:45 and they were ALL in a good mood. This being the case (and given that BW only lives 5 mins away) why didn't he ask Jeremy to go and collect the bike?

One of the first things he took from WHF on his return (after looking for the wallet) was to collect the video – perhaps he taped the programmes he claimed to have watched on the WHF video? No one would have checked as they thought he spent the evening at Goldhanger or at least most of it.

He has secured an alibi in several ways, he made the call to Julie, his car is in the drive, he tells everyone that Neville collected the last trailer giving the impression it was collected after he left. If anyone saw the trailer in the fields that night, from what Jeremy said, they would have assumed it was Neville.

He had to have an alibi because if he had just let someone find the scene in the morning, he might still have been a suspect and the police may have started looking at him from day one and he wouldn't have had time to get rid of things like the video tape, the clothes he was wearing etc.

OK, off to put on my tin hat and dig out a bunker  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yes that sounds reasonable. ::)

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Re: The Last Trailer
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2014, 06:19:PM »
Caroline thanks for the explanation I am forgetting we are 30 years on now and farming is so different now.

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Re: The Last Trailer
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2014, 06:20:PM »
Caroline I am with you but I thought loads of money was spent to ascertain whether the marks on Ralphs back were inflicted without a silencer on the rifle.  It is so dreadful to think his parents would have known it was their son who was killing them does not bear thinking about :'( :'( :'(

They did spend lots of money Susan but really to no avail but I suppose when you have to put an appeal together, you have to looks at anything that might be relevant. Personally (and it's only my opinion), I don't think the marks are related.
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Re: The Last Trailer
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2014, 06:23:PM »
Caroline I am with you but I thought loads of money was spent to ascertain whether the marks on Ralphs back were inflicted without a silencer on the rifle.  It is so dreadful to think his parents would have known it was their son who was killing them does not bear thinking about :'( :'( :'(



Susan, it WOULD have been unthinkable but would it have been worse if it had been Sheila. Neither bears thing about, does it?