June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...

[mike tesko]

She shot and killed, the boy victims, fought and killed Ralph Bamber...

[scipio_usmc]

She shot and killed, the boy victims, fought and killed Ralph Bamber...

Why would she do at all let alone around 2:30AM instead of doing it before she went to bed?

Why would she not kill Sheila too but instead go to bed and leave the weapon where Sheila could use it to kill her?

[Patti]

I don't think so. Surely this wont help Jeremy at all.

[Alias]

I don't think so. Surely this wont help Jeremy at all.

I agree, and I think Jeremy would be livid if he saw this.

[scipio_usmc]

I don't think so. Surely this wont help Jeremy at all.

You seem to be admitting your motivation is to help Jeremy as opposed to find out the truth.

Whether it helps Jeremy or not has no bearing on whether it happened.

Saying it could have happened since she wasn't tested for GSR and foreign blood (she was near Nevill when he was shot so his spatter could have gotten on her innocently anyway) doesn't establish it did. 

For this to be credible she would need to have a reason to kill Nevill and the boys but not Sheila and a reason to get out of bed kill them and then go back to bed as if nothing every happened and leave the weapon where Sheila could get it. 

It doens't make sense let alone is there any evidence to establish it might have happened. That is the problem not it's potential impact on Jeremy.   

[Jane]

You seem to be admitting your motivation is to help Jeremy as opposed to find out the truth.

Whether it helps Jeremy or not has no bearing on whether it happened.

Saying it could have happened since she wasn't tested for GSR and foreign blood (she was near Nevill when he was shot so his spatter could have gotten on her innocently anyway) doesn't establish it did. 

For this to be credible she would need to have a reason to kill Nevill and the boys but not Sheila and a reason to get out of bed kill them and then go back to bed as if nothing every happened and leave the weapon where Sheila could get it. 

It doens't make sense let alone is there any evidence to establish it might have happened. That is the problem not it's potential impact on Jeremy.

Sometimes I'm ALMOST glad you're here

[Patti]

You seem to be admitting your motivation is to help Jeremy as opposed to find out the truth.

Whether it helps Jeremy or not has no bearing on whether it happened.

Saying it could have happened since she wasn't tested for GSR and foreign blood (she was near Nevill when he was shot so his spatter could have gotten on her innocently anyway) doesn't establish it did. 

For this to be credible she would need to have a reason to kill Nevill and the boys but not Sheila and a reason to get out of bed kill them and then go back to bed as if nothing every happened and leave the weapon where Sheila could get it. 

It doens't make sense let alone is there any evidence to establish it might have happened. That is the problem not it's potential impact on Jeremy.

What I meant is that distorting the truth does not help to identify correct avenues to examine in order to gain positive aspects of the case. 

[nugnug]

if june did it then who shot her this scenrio does not really make sense.

[lookout]

 I do know that Sheila loved her boys and gave them the love,hugs and cuddles that she,herself didn't get.

June was a good mother,,but left both Sheila and Jeremy very confused after she'd explained that they'd both been adopted. Probably without explanation,,and certainly there were to be no questions nor mention of contact with the birth parents. Both children felt unloved and unloveable.

June was of a nervous disposition and had problems sleeping,,and when she did sleep,,she was troubled by nightmares.

Not forgetting that nature dealt a devastating blow to June when she wasn't able to give birth. A dreadful blow to any woman,,and one that I don't think June ever got over. Seeing her own sister with two healthy children,,then Sheila with her boys must have all added to her already fragile state of mind,,and the last thing you need is a " round the table conference " on the future of one daughter and two grandsons.
What about June and Nevilles' future ? They were getting on in years and everyone else was thinking about themselves. Who would have looked after their welfares ? Nobody ,,it would have seemed.
 

[nugnug]

only premeditated killers have accomplices.

[lookout]

 I agree with what EP first said---------------a domestic.

[mike tesko]

I think it was possible for June to be one of the shooters, and if she was it easily explains why there was no need for Sheila to handle any additional bullets loaded into the gun, negating the impact of the lack of lead deposits found on Sheila's hand swabs. Has anyone got a better explanation to account for there being no need for Sheiila to handle any bullets used in the shootings, a part from saying Jeremy did it?

[lookout]

 I wonder what the time difference was between the two women dying.

[Adam]

Mike did you share a cell with Jeremy. Or were you just on the same block ?

Did you become friends.

Did you become convinced of his innocence after speaking to him. Or by researching the case ?

[Jan]

Mike did you share a cell with Jeremy. Or were you just on the same block ?

Did you become friends.

Did you become convinced of his guilt after speaking to him. Or by researching the case ?

was that a deliberate jibe or a typo? I hope the latter .