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Offline susan

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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2014, 08:45:PM »
jansus funny I read Adam's post as I always do and did not notice the guilt now what does that tell you it was such a lovely post must have been a typo am I right Adam ;D

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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2014, 08:48:PM »
Opps. But would be interested to know.
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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2014, 10:34:PM »
Mike did you share a cell with Jeremy. Or were you just on the same block ?

Did you become friends.

Did you become convinced of his innocence after speaking to him. Or by researching the case ?

Hi Adam,

I was in a cell next door to Jeremy on B wing, at HMP Full sutton, between 1989 and 1990. All cells are for single use only. I did spend 1989 Christmas day dinner period, banged up in Jeremys cell with him for about three hours, but other than that I have never shared a cell with him on any other occasion. Yes, we became friends.Yes, after speaking with Jeremy and being given access to some of his case papers, I became convinced that he had not killed anyone. After my temporary release from custody in July 1990 until June 1991, I became more and more intrigued by the lack of evidence in his case, coming to the conclusion that he git convicted on circumstantial evidence, and speculation, there was nothing concrete to prove that he was the killer...

Hope this helps...
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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2014, 10:45:PM »
As I have already said previously, I do not believe that June was shot in bed, I believe that Sheila shot her and she fell onto the bed.
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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2014, 10:56:PM »
I will take this opportunity to remind you all that DC Clark told Ann Eaton, that Sheila and Junes bodies had been on the bed together, with the gun laying between both of them, and Sheila with a bible on her chest...

Clarke was at the scene before the training officers displaced Junes body against the bedroom door, and put Sheila on the bedroom floor parallel with the edge of the bed. CLARK SAW SHEILA AT A TIME WHEN SHE ONLY HAD A SOLITARY BULLET WOUND ON HER NECK...

This is why it is with 100% certainty that Sheila did not kill herself, and why nobody but the police could have killed her. Jeremy didn't kill Sheila, June didn't kill Sheila, no as yet unidentified hitman killed her, it could only have been the police. Whether you choose to accept this as being true or not, is a matter of personal choice, but the facts speak for themselves...

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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2014, 10:59:PM »
Thank you Mike.
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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2014, 11:07:PM »
There is too much evidence pointing to the fact that prior to the displacement of Junes and Sheila's bodies from the bed, that Sheila had only been shot once....

Dr Craig
PI Miller
DC Clark
Ann Eaton
Julie Mugford

Ewen Smith was told by DR Craig that when he viewed Sheila's body and pronounced her as being dead at 8.44am, her body was on the bed, and she only had a solitary bullet wound in her neck, nothing could be any clearer, the police fired the second shot into her neck, and killed her...

Craig confirmed to Ewen Smith that police were responsible for shooting her by way of the second shot to the neck, and that it happened after he had performed his duties at the scene and left...
« Last Edit: June 01, 2014, 11:11:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2014, 11:28:PM »
It becomes obvious to me,  that June shot and killed the two child victims, and that she fought with, and killed her husband, after battering him senseless with the butt of the rifle, before reloading the gun with additional bullets, then finishing him off with four hits to the top/back of his head. She then reloaded the gun intent on shooting Sheila dead, but in a twist of fate, Sheila somehow got the upper hand when June returned back upstairs, and Sheila shot June as she was standing near the left hand edge of the bed, causing June to fall onto the bed.  Sheila shot June numerous more times, until there was only a solitary round inside the gun. She placed the rifle against the left side of the bedroom window at about 7.15am, then made her way downstairs to the kitchen...
« Last Edit: June 01, 2014, 11:29:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2014, 11:45:PM »
It becomes obvious to me,  that June shot and killed the two child victims, and that she fought with, and killed her husband, after battering him senseless with the butt of the rifle, before reloading the gun with additional bullets, then finishing him off with four hits to the top/back of his head. She then reloaded the gun intent on shooting Sheila dead, but in a twist of fate, Sheila somehow got the upper hand when June returned back upstairs, and Sheila shot June as she was standing near the left hand edge of the bed, causing June to fall onto the bed.  Sheila shot June numerous more times, until there was only a solitary round inside the gun. She placed the rifle against the left side of the bedroom window at about 7.15am, then made her way downstairs to the kitchen...

It was shortly after Sheila placed the rifle against the bedroom window, that one of the armed poluce ifficers who were carrying out observation and containment duties at the scene, noticed the sudden appearance of the rifle at the bedroom window, which triggered the raid on the opposite side of the farmhouse...

By this stage, there had been two shooters, June and Sheila - Sheila did not have to handle any of the additional bullets that were used to kill four of the victims...
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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2014, 12:05:AM »
So basically you are now saying that:

June Bamber is a murderer.
Sheila Caffell is a murderer.
A member of Essex Police is a murderer.

Are you for real?!

More importantly, do you have any actual genuine evidence that fits this thesis?

Sadly, saying "it becomes obvious to me" falls well short of the evidential threshold.

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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2014, 12:07:AM »
i think mikes just trying to discuss all possbilitys.

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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2014, 01:30:PM »
 The same could be said for the thousands of people who have damned Jeremy from here to Kingdom come,,because if it so happens that he is found innocent,,and by all accounts,because of the fact that Jeremy himself hasn't given up the fight,,and because of one or two things that have come to light,,there is every chance that he will indeed be found an innocent victim in all this too.

Ever since certain aspects of the case have been made public re.the press,,as well as the various links/forums,the public have been able to look at another side instead of erring on the side of caution and going for guilt,,along with the majority just because they " said so ".

It does no harm to keep your options open,,as yes,at first,Jeremy mentioned that his sister was a paranoid schizophrenic,,and is still of the belief that she sadly gunned down the family.I've said so myself,,but after over 2 years studying the whys and wherefores of the implications of those suffering mental health problems in this particular family it does beg the question that there were two " volatile ",but mentally fragile women in the farmhouse that night,,one of which was never keen on visiting and who had issues in which to solve.

Jeremy would never suspect his mother and would probably defy anyone who even hinted at her being partly responsible,,but we have to look at it from all angles,,and given Junes' previous diagnosis of her having a " religious psychosis "  it's not beyond the bounds of impossibility that things did spill over,especially if Sheila had been the instigator of the discussion that went on that night. I should imagine that some pretty hurtful things were being said.

Because I'm of the mind that Jeremy took no part in this,,it would have only been natural to have blamed his sister,,as he had no clue as to who else would have carried out such a crime. When you're innocent,,you do think on those lines,,and that to your knowledge,,the family didn't have any enemies,etc. Jeremy wasn't just blaming his sister to " get himself off the hook ",,he genuinely had no idea who else would have been to blame.

So far as I can see,all along he's been upfront with everyone,even the police. What more can he do or say ?
Heads should roll after this for failing to understand that mental health in some cases DOES end in disaster,,so a lot of red faces when he,at last, is proven to have been innocent.

   

   

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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2014, 01:39:PM »
find the june and shiela scenrio a tad far fetched ok its not impossble but highly unlikely.

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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2014, 01:46:PM »
 Nugs,,I don't altogether blame Sheila,,but looking at the bodies of the adults,,June is absolutely peppered with gunshot. You can feel the loathing just by looking at Junes poor body.
What a way for anyones' life to end.

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Re: June Bamber, (accomplice) the killer...
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2014, 01:49:PM »
well i mean i find it hard to belive they both did it i mean hat are the chances of that happening.

2 people going mad with weapons in the same house at the same time.