Jury, given ultimatum, it was either Sheila, or Jeremy - gaff...

[scipio_usmc]

Yes they do Scorpio its logged and documented that the photographs inside the main bedroom were taken at 10am It was after that time the police moved the rifle and placed it at the window. The photographer returned to take more photo's later that morning = that is also logged and well documented. 

What I am saying is the rifle at the main bedroom window was not the rifle Jeaps and Brown saw for Jeaps was back at base at 8:30. Plus Jeaps was on the white side of the building and not the white/red side where Mildenhall was standing.

The police might not have head any shots at all they removed themselves back from the house and were in contact via radio with base....so it can be likely that they didn't hear any shots....

You have to examine it both ends and not have a one way vision that something is not possible when its could be. 

Jeapes and Brown don't know what they saw.  There was no rifle found in the first floor window in question whatever they thought they saw was something else.

Examining both ends includes the fact that gunshots would be heard.   Gunshots are masked by loud background noise which was not present on that scene. 

The right hand photo of the double set is the one police took after 10Am.  No one knows when the one on the left was taken which is the earliest known photo.  When the bedroom was reach supposedly for the first time by the official photographer that is when the one on the right was taken.  The one on the left was taken an undetermined amount of time earlier.

[nugnug]

it might of been somthing else or the riffle could of been moved.

[mike tesko]

According to DC Clarke, the rifle was found on top of the bed between the bidies of June and Sheila...

Clark visited tge bedroom shortly after 9am, and visited the main bedroom and saw Junes bidy, and Sheila's body on the bed with the rifle between both bodies on the bed...

By 10am, Sheila's body was laid out on one side of the bed, whilst the body of June was on the bedroom floor on the other side of the bed, by this stage, the rifle was niw on top of Sheila's body...

Now, how the hell did that rifle get from its original position of being in between the bodies of June and Sheila on the bed,  end up on top of Sheila's body on the bedroom floor? Surely, no-one is going to continue suggesting Jeremy moved it from one lication to the other...

[nugnug]

well it would of been a bit hard for him to do so.

[Patti]

Jeapes and Brown don't know what they saw.  There was no rifle found in the first floor window in question whatever they thought they saw was something else.

Examining both ends includes the fact that gunshots would be heard.   Gunshots are masked by loud background noise which was not present on that scene. 

The right hand photo of the double set is the one police took after 10Am.  No one knows when the one on the left was taken which is the earliest known photo.  When the bedroom was reach supposedly for the first time by the official photographer that is when the one on the right was taken.  The one on the left was taken an undetermined amount of time earlier.

Yes they do know what they saw Scorpio. Jeaps being a firearms instructor would know if she had seen a rifle or not.  The point I am making is that she said in her statement she saw a rifle and so did Brown.

No there were no rifle found in the box room, that much is true.  So what did they see? 

[nugnug]

well unless they were all mistaken about seeing a riffle which is possible you have conclude someone moved the riffle and that someone couldn't of been jeremy.

[scipio_usmc]

According to DC Clarke, the rifle was found on top of the bed between the bidies of June and Sheila...

Clark visited tge bedroom shortly after 9am, and visited the main bedroom and saw Junes bidy, and Sheila's body on the bed with the rifle between both bodies on the bed...

By 10am, Sheila's body was laid out on one side of the bed, whilst the body of June was on the bedroom floor on the other side of the bed, by this stage, the rifle was niw on top of Sheila's body...

Now, how the hell did that rifle get from its original position of being in between the bodies of June and Sheila on the bed,  end up on top of Sheila's body on the bedroom floor? Surely, no-one is going to continue suggesting Jeremy moved it from one lication to the other...

PC Collins had the point.  He used  amirror to look upstairs and could see June on the floor of the master bedroom.  He was the first cop to enter the master bedroom quickly followed by Delgado, APS Manners, APS Woodcock. As soon as they continued to clear the floor PC Hall looked in.  All of the report Sheila and June were on the floor on opposite sides of the bed and furthermore that Sheila had the rifle on her.

As soon as the team announced the house was clear PS Adams and DI Montgomery toured the premises and also saw June and Sheila on the floor on opposite sides of the bed with the gun on top of Sheila.  This was within the first ten minutes of breaking the door down.

Testimony of people subsequent to this is wholly worthless as to the state of the scene upon police entry.
The aforementioned are the people who saw the bodies right away before anyone had a chance to  disturb them.  They are the accounts that matter most and the ones that have to be overcome to try to prove some of the claims you are making.




 

[lookout]

You bet! And you are a moron! 

Tee hee hee hee.

[lookout]

 Shortly after the murders took place,,and after locks were changed and security installed,,Jeremy was offered a set of new keys to WHF.   He declined the offer,instead handing them to AE !

Doesn't sound to me as if he'd murdered 5 people if he refused the " opportunity " to enter the farmhouse.

Didn't he want to re-trace his steps ?
Didn't he want to wipe the blood from the window-sill from which he allegedly got in and out of ?
Didn't he want to put the silencer in his pocket in which to dump across the swamps near to where he'd pedalled hell for leather in his wetsuit ?
Didn't he want to return for the watch of his fathers' ?
Didn't he want to pocket some of the jewellery that nobody would have known about ?
Didn't he want to look for the key to the safe to see what was in it ?
Didn't he want to rifle ( pun ) a few drawers and cupboards ?

Isn't this what greedy murderers do who make money their God ?

NO. Unbeknowns to Jeremy,,all that was done for him ! " Come into my parlour said the spider to the fly ".

Then poor Jeremy,,thinking that he had friends on his side giving him support,,,turned on him as quick as lightening.  He,,knowing that relationships had been somewhat strained over the years between families,,was trying to build bridges,,and even gave AE a bunch of flowers for what he thought,,were for their acts of kindness towards him at that dreadful time of having nobody to fall back on.

Then the amateur sleuths got to work !

[scipio_usmc]

Shortly after the murders took place,,and after locks were changed and security installed,,Jeremy was offered a set of new keys to WHF.   He declined the offer,instead handing them to AE !

Doesn't sound to me as if he'd murdered 5 people if he refused the " opportunity " to enter the farmhouse.

Didn't he want to re-trace his steps ?
Didn't he want to wipe the blood from the window-sill from which he allegedly got in and out of ?
Didn't he want to put the silencer in his pocket in which to dump across the swamps near to where he'd pedalled hell for leather in his wetsuit ?
Didn't he want to return for the watch of his fathers' ?
Didn't he want to pocket some of the jewellery that nobody would have known about ?
Didn't he want to look for the key to the safe to see what was in it ?
Didn't he want to rifle ( pun ) a few drawers and cupboards ?

Isn't this what greedy murderers do who make money their God ?

NO. Unbeknowns to Jeremy,,all that was done for him ! " Come into my parlour said the spider to the fly ".

Then poor Jeremy,,thinking that he had friends on his side giving him support,,,turned on him as quick as lightening.  He,,knowing that relationships had been somewhat strained over the years between families,,was trying to build bridges,,and even gave AE a bunch of flowers for what he thought,,were for their acts of kindness towards him at that dreadful time of having nobody to fall back on.

Then the amateur sleuths got to work !

Jeremy already did what he needed to at the scene before calling police he had no need to return after police processed it.

He had no need for a key either since he could get in without one but he was given one of the keys he simply chose to never carry it with him since he could get in and out through the windows.

Everything in the house was his because eveyroen else was dead, he had no need to immediately clear everything out.  But in fact he did ransack Sheila's place for valuables very soon after her death and did try to sell what he thought was valuable antiques very soon after the deaths but it turned out they were not valuable.

He was so greedly he hought about selling nude photos of his dead sister.

   

[lookout]

Jeremy already did what he needed to at the scene before calling police he had no need to return after police processed it.

He had no need for a key either since he could get in without one but he was given one of the keys he simply chose to never carry it with him since he could get in and out through the windows.

Everything in the house was his because eveyroen else was dead, he had no need to immediately clear everything out.  But in fact he did ransack Sheila's place for valuables very soon after her death and did try to sell what he thought was valuable antiques very soon after the deaths but it turned out they were not valuable.

He was so greedly he hought about selling nude photos of his dead sister.

 

Cobblers.