The 4/5 telephone calls made that night

[buddy]

If he rang Julie to tell her "Something is wrong at the farm" it seems to me that his next words would have been "I don't know what I should do." Julie doesn't tell us that those words were said, but it would make sense of her instructing him to "Go back to bed"

But that just not make sense. After calling Julie he called the police.[twice]
Look I would love for Jeremy to be innocent, but these phone calls leave me in doubt.

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline?Buddy what is confusing me is where did this come from that Ralph had phoned the police had he done so it would not have been neccesary for Jeremy to do so he could have just got himself over there and arrived when the police did.  If only one call was made to the police why the two patrol cars to what could have just been a domestic although it turned out much more than that.  Would I be correct in assuming that the police denied ever receiving a call from Ralph if they did it could have been from the panic button being activated if he used the phone to contact them the panic button was not in situ.  Sorry Caroloine for banging on about the panic  button but I am trying to understand what did happen and what was said to have happened.

There are two logs with different times logged, both describe a similar phone call but one uses words like 'sister' to describe Sheila and the other 'daughter' so they look as though they were called in by both Jeremy and Ralf. Couldn't have been anything to do with a panic button because there is dialogue. Even more evidence that it played no part.

[nugnug]

well he had to way up the best course of action if he went there it could be a big mistake and make things worse if he phoned it could also make things worse.

he was unable to make a decision so he phoned someone else hoping they would have the answer.

[buddy]

Hello april very strange response from Julie.  None of this makes sense to me.  april can you tell me who said Ralph phoned the police.  Help.

Susan a log was made of the call but was contested by EP. There is posts on here about this.

[lookout]

well he had to way up the best course of action if he went there it could be a big mistake and make things worse if he phoned it could also make things worse.

he was unable to make a decision so he phoned someone else hoping they would have the answer.

It was very clear who the decision maker was,nugs. I don't think Jeremy had the nouse in that respect.

[maggie]

If he rang Julie to tell her "Something is wrong at the farm" it seems to me that his next words would have been "I don't know what I should do." Julie doesn't tell us that those words were said, but it would make sense of her instructing him to "Go back to bed"

Hi April, I agree that' always the way I've seen this scenaro in my mind.  He was 24, had been brought up to keep family business quiet, maybe his initial response was to dial 999 but was indecisive because of his upbringing, as notifying the police would go aginst everything he'd been indoctrinated with.  Julie was obviously no help so in the end he decided to compromise, take a chance and ring the local police station.....I find that acceptable behaviour in his particular circumstances.

[nugnug]

to be fair to mugford it was a strange response but then it was also a strange phonecall to get at that time in the morning.

[buddy]

It was very clear who the decision maker was,nugs. I don't think Jeremy had the nouse in that respect.

Yet he had the nouse to dump her. Then the trouble began!

[Jane]

But that just not make sense. After calling Julie he called the police.[twice]
Look I would love for Jeremy to be innocent, but these phone calls leave me in doubt.

But just because he called Julie for support, which she clearly didn't give him, doesn't mean he was incapable of making a decision for himself, only hesitant. It's often much easier to make a decision if there is NOBODY else to rely on.

[susan]

Hi Caroline if Ralph had phoned the police for assistance and it was logged and Jeremy phoned and it was logged why was it not taken into account this is where it starts to get really confusing.  I have seen it suggested on the forum the phone calls never took place but if they are logged by the police they must have done.

[lookout]

Yet he had the nouse to dump her. Then the trouble began!

Buddy,,why would Julie have told him to get back to bed if she thought he'd murdered his family.?

[susan]

nugnug not really a strange phone call when it is stated on the forum by steve that he told her tonight's the night and she had prior knowledge he was going to murder his entire family.

[susan]

Hello Maggie add to my confusion and tell me what the phone call from Ralph to the police was all about.  I understand Jeremy phoned Julie and I accept your reasons why he would do this.

[lookout]

Buddy,,why would Julie have told him to get back to bed if she thought he'd murdered his family.?

Also,buddy,,it obviously didn't worry Julie whether she'd be dumped or not,as her and her friend Liz were going off to Malta just before the murders took place. In fact,,I'm not sure if they were due to fly on the 7th of August,,but it was around that time.

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline if Ralph had phoned the police for assistance and it was logged and Jeremy phoned and it was logged why was it not taken into account this is where it starts to get really confusing.  I have seen it suggested on the forum the phone calls never took place but if they are logged by the police they must have done.

EP stated that both logs refer to the 'same' call, the one called in by Jeremy. This is the dilemma! Was there two calls, one from Jeremy and one from Ralf, or just one from Jeremy written out twice?