The 4/5 telephone calls made that night

[buddy]

We are made to believe that these calls were made on the night of the murders.
1 Ralph to Jeremy.
2 Jeremy to Julie.
3 Jeremy to Ralph.
4 Jeremy to the police [unanswered]
5 Jeremy to police [answered]
Here is my problem about this. If my father had phoned me about a nutty daughter going berserk I would have sped to the farm. Jeremy chose to call Julie instead. he then said to the police " Christ you took a long time".
Jeremy was certainly in no hurry, or he would have phoned the police first.
IMHO he would/ should have dialled 999, but chose to call a local station.

[susan]

Hi Buddy

I think because Ralph phoned Jeremy and did not use the panic button Jeremy did not take the threat too seriously and that is why he did not go into a mad panic.  We have to remember if Ralph Bamber feared for his life he had a panic button at his disposal and he would have used it and not phoned Jeremy at all.

[Caroline R]

Hi Buddy

I think because Ralph phoned Jeremy and did not use the panic button Jeremy did not take the threat too seriously and that is why he did not go into a mad panic.  We have to remember if Ralph Bamber feared for his life he had a panic button at his disposal and he would have used it and not phoned Jeremy at all.

Hi Susan,

I find it hard to believe there was a panic button, they are usually installed with an alarm system and that wasn't installed until after.

[susan]

Hi Caroline

I have had it on very good authority that a panic button had been installed at WHF prior to the murders  and was told in confidence the location of the said button. I cannot say one hundred percent this is true but knowing the knowledge the person has who told me I suspect it is true.

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline

I have had it on very good authority that a panic button had been installed at WHF prior to the murders  and was told in confidence the location of the said button. I cannot say one hundred percent this is true but knowing the knowledge the person has who told me I suspect it is true.

I know where the button is now Susan but I am skeptical about whether it was there on the night in question given that the alarm was fitted after. I remember when I was a kid and the parents of a friend of mine had one installed - it came as part of the alarm system.

[susan]

Hi Caroline not replying to my own posts but as an after thought Jeremy Bamber would know about the panic button and ngb knows about it as well as my informant (sound like Mike now).  I did read that JB pressed it once so as test the response time of the Police.  I think it was the Secretary of the farm or the housekeeper who mde this statement but I for one do not believe that story.

[susan]

Hi Caroline  wonder if you do know where the panic button is

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline  wonder if you do know where the panic button is

Yup!! 

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline not replying to my own posts but as an after thought Jeremy Bamber would know about the panic button and ngb knows about it as well as my informant (sound like Mike now).  I did read that JB pressed it once so as test the response time of the Police.  I think it was the Secretary of the farm or the housekeeper who mde this statement but I for one do not believe that story.

It's been quoted but has anyone seen it?

[Caroline R]

We are made to believe that these calls were made on the night of the murders.
1 Ralph to Jeremy.
2 Jeremy to Julie.
3 Jeremy to Ralph.
4 Jeremy to the police [unanswered]
5 Jeremy to police [answered]
Here is my problem about this. If my father had phoned me about a nutty daughter going berserk I would have sped to the farm. Jeremy chose to call Julie instead. he then said to the police " Christ you took a long time".
Jeremy was certainly in no hurry, or he would have phoned the police first.
IMHO he would/ should have dialled 999, but chose to call a local station.

You have the benefit of hindsight Buddy.

[susan]

Hi Caroline do you mean has anyone seen the panic button my answer to that is a big YES. and it was installed before the murders.

[susan]

Hi Caroline the same person who told me must have told you as well I was asked not to disclose its whereabouts.

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline do you mean has anyone seen the panic button my answer to that is a big YES. and it was installed before the murders.

No, the statement - I don't think the same person told me Susan. But IF it were installed before the murders, why isn't it mentioned in any of the statements, especially in regard to the phone calls? It's one of the first questions Jones would have posed to JB "Why would your father call you when there was a panic button installed"? Why is there no record of the so called 'test' that JB performed to test reaction times? It would have formed part of the trial but, it didn't.

[susan]

Hi Caroline  sorry I can't answer your questions but as far as JB testing it I think that was just hearsay as so much of this case is.  I have discussed this with ngb and he is of the opinion it was in situ at the time of the murders as Ralph Bamber had received death threats and that is why it was installed.  I have read maybe hearsay again that Jeremy said his Father liked to keep their business private and at the onset did not think his life was in danger but at one stage it was thought he tried to reach the panic button but was not able to as he was too badly injured.  This again could be all hearsay and I feel many events of this case were not brought up at Trial by the Defence for reasons only known to them I would say the whole Trial was a complete shambles and so much was withheld from the Jury and so much withheld from the Defence by EP.  I sometimes find it difficult to comprehend how this ever happened but sadly it did.  I was told in confidence where the panic button is located and it was in situ before the murders and I have to believe the source where the information came from.

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline  sorry I can't answer your questions but as far as JB testing it I think that was just hearsay as so much of this case is.  I have discussed this with ngb and he is of the opinion it was in situ at the time of the murders as Ralph Bamber had received death threats and that is why it was installed.  I have read maybe hearsay again that Jeremy said his Father liked to keep their business private and at the onset did not think his life was in danger but at one stage it was thought he tried to reach the panic button but was not able to as he was too badly injured.  This again could be all hearsay and I feel many events of this case were not brought up at Trial by the Defence for reasons only known to them I would say the whole Trial was a complete shambles and so much was withheld from the Jury and so much withheld from the Defence by EP.  I sometimes find it difficult to comprehend how this ever happened but sadly it did.  I was told in confidence where the panic button is located and it was in situ before the murders and I have to believe the source where the information came from.

For the same reason, I have to believe mine