The 4/5 telephone calls made that night

[maggie]

I think you are spot-on with this. "Something is wrong at the farm." He doesn´t know what, he doesn´t know how bad it is, he is very much in doubt what his father wants from him, so he calls Julie for some advise. She obviously does not take it seriously (in her impaired and sleepy condition) and tells him to go back to bed; but Jeremy has heard his father´s voice and makes the decicion to call the police whether Ralph wants it or not. In a sense he makes a compromise by not calling 999, but the local police - it doesn´t seem as serious that way and Ralph will be less upset if some local coppers show up.

It all makes sense if you see it this way - and paints Jeremy as a rather insecure lad when it comes to decicion-making.

Exactly Alias

[Jane]

I think you are spot-on with this. "Something is wrong at the farm." He doesn´t know what, he doesn´t know how bad it is, he is very much in doubt what his father wants from him, so he calls Julie for some advise. She obviously does not take it seriously (in her impaired and sleepy condition) and tells him to go back to bed; but Jeremy has heard his father´s voice and makes the decicion to call the police whether Ralph wants it or not. In a sense he makes a compromise by not calling 999, but the local police - it doesn´t seem as serious that way and Ralph will be less upset if some local coppers show up.

It all makes sense if you see it this way - and paints Jeremy as a rather insecure lad when it comes to decicion-making.

Exactly Alias

[lookout]

I so agree with that interpretation of Jeremys' indecisive actions.

[bigdave1975]

Hello everybody
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[susan]

Hello big dave how ya doing my Scottish friend.

[nugnug]

if he had listend to his girlfriend and gone back to bed i wonder weather he would be where he is today.

[Alias]

if he had listend to his girlfriend and gone back to bed i wonder weather he would be where he is today.

He wouldn´t, but he would be a destroyed person from thinking about what he could have done to save his family if he hadn´t gone back to sleep. He would blame himself - and Julie.

[lookout]

I'm sure everyone's read or heard about the girl who threw herself off a muli-storey car park recently.
A very sad outcome for this girl,in her 20's,8 months pregnant with 3 other children,who she'd already killed before committing suicide herself.
This was the last straw in a breakdown of the relationship between the girl and her partner.
Sheila too became depressed after the breakdown of her marriage,,not so long after the birth of the twins.

What I'm saying is that it does happen,,,all too frequently now,sadly,,than it did in the mid 80's. This is why,because of the archaic past,,nobody then gave a thought that this sort of thing could happen.
This case badly needs bringing up to date and everyone involved,a jolly good shaking up.

[maggie]

I'm sure everyone's read or heard about the girl who threw herself off a muli-storey car park recently.
A very sad outcome for this girl,in her 20's,8 months pregnant with 3 other children,who she'd already killed before committing suicide herself.
This was the last straw in a breakdown of the relationship between the girl and her partner.
Sheila too became depressed after the breakdown of her marriage,,not so long after the birth of the twins.

What I'm saying is that it does happen,,,all too frequently now,sadly,,than it did in the mid 80's. This is why,because of the archaic past,,nobody then gave a thought that this sort of thing could happen.
This case badly needs bringing up to date and everyone involved,a jolly good shaking up.

Hi Lookout, are you certain these events happened less often or that they were covered up more often and not reported so much in the past. Or was it that when the the huge old mental hospitals existed and there were different attitudes to mental illness, people with mental health problems ie. schizophrenia were more likely to have their children removed and to be committed before they reached such a desperate state? 

[Caroline R]

I'm sure everyone's read or heard about the girl who threw herself off a muli-storey car park recently.
A very sad outcome for this girl,in her 20's,8 months pregnant with 3 other children,who she'd already killed before committing suicide herself.
This was the last straw in a breakdown of the relationship between the girl and her partner.
Sheila too became depressed after the breakdown of her marriage,,not so long after the birth of the twins.

What I'm saying is that it does happen,,,all too frequently now,sadly,,than it did in the mid 80's. This is why,because of the archaic past,,nobody then gave a thought that this sort of thing could happen.
This case badly needs bringing up to date and everyone involved,a jolly good shaking up.

Good post Lookout!! Completely agree!!

[Alias]

Hi Lookout, are you certain these events happened less often or that they were covered up more often and not reported so much in the past. Or was it that when the the huge old mental hospitals existed and there were different attitudes to mental illness, people with mental health problems ie. schizophrenia were more likely to have their children removed and to be committed before they reached such a desperate state?

There were not quite as many suicides and murders committed by people with mental issues PRIOR TO THE WIDESPREAD USE OF PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS.
This is a fact. The manufacturing companies of said drugs are always very, very busy covering up that fact.

[maggie]

There were not quite as many suicides and murders committed by people with mental issues PRIOR TO THE WIDESPREAD USE OF PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS.
This is a fact. The manufacturing companies of said drugs are always very, very busy covering up that fact.

That is no doubt true Alias.  I still wonder if the closing of the old mental hospitals have also played a part?  Am not supporting those dreadful old places but people were locked away so it was far less likely to happen, maybe???

[Alias]

That is no doubt true Alias.  I still wonder if the closing of the old mental hospitals have also played a part?  Am not supporting those dreadful old places but people were locked away so it was far less likely to happen, maybe???

Closing of hospitals means more drugs to keep people tranquilezed - the two go hand in hand.  The problem is that a percentage of people react badly to the common medicines, even the ones we consider "modern" ones.
And we only consider them "modern, benificial and or harmless", because the medical companies make such an effort to brand their poison through ads. Those things mess with people´s minds!

[Jane]

That is no doubt true Alias.  I still wonder if the closing of the old mental hospitals have also played a part?  Am not supporting those dreadful old places but people were locked away so it was far less likely to happen, maybe???

Maggie, I have been discussing that issue today with an infants teacher and a nurse. We all agree that there sould be secure residences for the mentally ill. By this, I mean somewhere THEY feel secure and can regard as a home where they feel cared for. Our mutual concern was the ability to find committed carers and weed out potential sadistic bullies.

[maggie]

Closing of hospitals means more drugs to keep people tranquilezed - the two go hand in hand.  The problem is that a percentage of people react badly to the common medicines, even the ones we consider "modern" ones.
And we only consider them "modern, benificial and or harmless", because the medical companies make such an effort to brand their poison through ads. Those things mess with people´s minds!

They do and of course the mentally ill are notoriously bad at taking their meds.