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Offline ajross

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« Reply #75 on: May 12, 2012, 01:49:PM »
ajross Bet I was,ent your first guess.

No, sorry! although don't take offence, it was merely me not paying attention (or enjoying the subtropical swimming paradise (!) at center parcs a little too much last week!  :)

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« Reply #76 on: May 12, 2012, 02:02:PM »
rochford  just off topic have you ever tried dock pudding. (Don,t)  They have a competition every year in Yorkshire and Sir Bernard Ingham returns to his roots to judge the thing.  Wow what an exciting life they have dock pudding makers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/dock_pudding_35210

I've always thought the Bernard was a bit of a tw*t.  But he does look as if he should be stamped... Made in Yorkshire

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« Reply #77 on: May 12, 2012, 02:02:PM »
ajross please start paying attention or you will be sent to the naughty corner.

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« Reply #78 on: May 12, 2012, 02:07:PM »
Are they in contact to see which they may or may not have then or do the legal team think they do not need to go through all of Mike's documents? (the tone of this post may seem aggressive but it is not, it is purely for lack of a better way of phrasing my question :) ) I'm sorry NGB, I understand you are heavily involved but I do not know your exact involvement which may explain some of my ignorance.

Your post is not aggressive at all and your question is a fair one.  As I understand it Mike and the legal team are not currently in direct contact.  Simon McKay's focus in the limited time available to him before the final dealine imposed by the CCRC was to obtain fresh expert evidence, which of course he did.  If and when he does secure a referral to the Court of Appeal it is likely that a much more comprehensive review of all case material will be undertaken in preparation for the appeal itself.  As part of that I anticipate that there will be direct contact with Mike and as I have already said Mike has throughout indicated his willingness to assist in any way he can.


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« Reply #79 on: May 12, 2012, 02:07:PM »
rochford  he is everything you say he is only more not sure about the stamp Made in Yorkshire not anymore he has forgotten his roots like Jeremy Clarkson.  Bernard writes silly articles in the local paper and annoys all the local people (although they are now all incomers).  Thanks for the thread never know when I want to make Dock Pudding.

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« Reply #80 on: May 12, 2012, 02:12:PM »
rochford  he is everything you say he is only more not sure about the stamp Made in Yorkshire not anymore he has forgotten his roots like Jeremy Clarkson.  Bernard writes silly articles in the local paper and annoys all the local people (although they are now all incomers).  Thanks for the thread never know when I want to make Dock Pudding.

For a brief moment after I posted that, I thought you might be his wife or a relative! 

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« Reply #81 on: May 12, 2012, 02:16:PM »
The alternative views on Simon McKay have been based upon a misunderstanding and in some cases distortion of several matters which are in themselves a matter of public record.  In order to attempt to discredit Simon, solely because of his involvement pro bono in the Bamber case, disgraceful personal attacks have been made upon Simon on Lamberton's forum and the associated twitter feed.  Some of these attacks are clearly defamatory and for good reason I am not going to comment on them here.  The matters which have been distorted, exaggerated and used as the basis for these personal attacks are not matters which in any way reflect upon the personal integrity or abilty of Simon.

Given the number of posts on here that I have seen which basically say that an eminent high flyer such as Simon McKay would not waste his time with jeremy if he was guilty, it's to be expected that someone will eventually say "well hang on a minute, he's not so eminent or high flying as they would have us believe, here are the facts, backed up by publicly available documents."

I agree that to take it further, and especially by way of a twitter campaign is unacceptable and probably amounts to harassment. I also agree that the comments made were defamatory, but since they appear to be true they would be easy to defend.

I probably haven't read all of the comments so if you're talking about something I'be missed I apologise.
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« Reply #82 on: May 12, 2012, 02:22:PM »
Hi rochford  no worries I,m not his wife I have better taste than that plus I,m far too young.  He only pops up to Yorkshire occasionally to annoy the locals and open fetes etc but he is not a true Yorkshire man not any longer nothing like his Father.

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« Reply #83 on: May 12, 2012, 03:09:PM »
Given the number of posts on here that I have seen which basically say that an eminent high flyer such as Simon McKay would not waste his time with jeremy if he was guilty, it's to be expected that someone will eventually say "well hang on a minute, he's not so eminent or high flying as they would have us believe, here are the facts, backed up by publicly available documents."I agree that to take it further, and especially by way of a twitter campaign is unacceptable and probably amounts to harassment. I also agree that the comments made were defamatory, but since they appear to be true they would be easy to defend.

I probably haven't read all of the comments so if you're talking about something I'be missed I apologise.

I accept that simply pointing out facts would not be sufficient to constitute libel (the defence of justification would apply).  However, some of the posts contained allegations and comments which went way beyond the facts and interpreted those facts incorrectly.  Those posts were defamatory.

Even against the backgrounds of the "facts", it is still fair to describe Simon as an "eminent high flyer".  He is very highly respected within the profession.

   

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« Reply #84 on: May 12, 2012, 03:13:PM »
I accept that simply pointing out facts would not be sufficient to constitute libel (the defence of justification would apply).  However, some of the posts contained allegations and comments which went way beyond the facts and interpreted those facts incorrectly.  Those posts were defamatory.

Even against the backgrounds of the "facts", it is still fair to describe Simon as an "eminent high flyer".  He is very highly respected within the profession.

 

That's fair enough, clearly I haven't seen all that has been posted. We'll have to agree to disagree on our individual interpretations of an eminent high flyer.  :)
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« Reply #85 on: May 12, 2012, 03:28:PM »
So Bridget how would you compare yourself with Simon career wise taking into account he is still fairly young more successful or less successful ?
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« Reply #86 on: May 12, 2012, 03:38:PM »
Your post is not aggressive at all and your question is a fair one.  As I understand it Mike and the legal team are not currently in direct contact.  Simon McKay's focus in the limited time available to him before the final dealine imposed by the CCRC was to obtain fresh expert evidence, which of course he did.  If and when he does secure a referral to the Court of Appeal it is likely that a much more comprehensive review of all case material will be undertaken in preparation for the appeal itself.  As part of that I anticipate that there will be direct contact with Mike and as I have already said Mike has throughout indicated his willingness to assist in any way he can.

Thank you NGB, for my own curiosity, are you from 1066 country? And by that I mean Sussex as opposed to Stamford Bridge!

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« Reply #87 on: May 12, 2012, 03:39:PM »
So Bridget how would you compare yourself with Simon career wise taking into account he is still fairly young more successful or less successful ?

I'm not a lawyer so I don't see the relevance? Actually even if I was I still don't see the relevance.
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« Reply #88 on: May 12, 2012, 03:46:PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/dock_pudding_35210

I've always thought the Bernard was a bit of a tw*t.  But he does look as if he should be stamped... Made in Yorkshire

Who is he???

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« Reply #89 on: May 12, 2012, 03:49:PM »
I'm not a lawyer so I don't see the relevance? Actually even if I was I still don't see the relevance.

I just get the impression that you would have liked a legal career but never got the opportunity for one reason or another

Me I look up to Simon and Neil and would count them both as high fliers, achievers
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