Significance of the Aga burns theory

[Hardy Boy]

Well, traditional latches for a sash window usually just turned round to stop the window sliding up, HB! Not sure how you could secure it from outside, but who knows? i've never tried!

Remember, they were old windows Snow, they had gaps in them, if he admitted using a knife to get in, surely he could use a wire or string.  I’ve not seen such, but Caroline said she’d  seen a video where it was possible to lock the catch from the outside using string?

What would you advise your parents do if their property was so easily to break into?  The guys been through every Window to get in,  if it was me I would tell them to do something with those windows,  I would say, “look there’s guns lying about in the house, if I can get in, so can someone else, and who Knows one of these days someone might climb through the window and rob you, but worst of all use the rifle to shoot you in your sleep”……….Or maybe he didn’t want to warn them for some reason?

[Hardy Boy]

Remember, they were old windows Snow, they had gaps in them, if he admitted using a knife to get in, surely he could use a wire or string.  I’ve not seen such, but Caroline said she’d  seen a video where it was possible to lock the catch from the outside using string?

What would you advise your parents do if their property was so easily to break into?  The guys been through every Window to get in,  if it was me I would tell them to do something with those windows,  I would say, “look there’s guns lying about in the house, if I can get in, so can someone else, and who Knows one of these days someone might climb through the window and rob you, but worst of all use the rifle to shoot you in your sleep”……….Or maybe he didn’t want to warn them for some reason?

Who in their right mind after being questioned as a murders suspect and released on bail, would break into a somewhere they’d just been answering questions about?  My own personal opinion, he was trying to cover up for the marks on the window he’d later been informed about by his defence Counsel?


The appellant claimed to have returned to the farmhouse within a day or two of his release from the Police Station, i.e. a day or two from the 13 September, and gained entry via the downstairs bathroom window. He said he had done this because he had left his keys in London and needed some documents for his trip to the South of France. The appellant did not accept that that had been an unwise thing to do bearing in mind the circumstances nor that it would have been easy for him to have borrowed keys from the housekeeper who lived nearby.

[ILB]

Who in their right mind after being questioned as a murders suspect and released on bail, would break into a somewhere they’d just been answering questions about? 

I get the insinuation. But it may also have just been a mundane thing It may have just pointed to an arrogance in his character.

[ILB]

It may have been a little joke to himself. Remember he was accused by Stan of humming and singing and answering in a sing song voice.

To him it may have been another way to mock. He may have thought he was home and dry after being released on bail and the case would be discontinued in due course.

[ILB]

Police were in a difficult position as he had only been charged with the burglary at that time so on unconditional bail he could travel freely within reason, i.e go abroad etc.

From memory I think they sent two coppers out to ST tropez to keep tabs on him.

[ILB]

I have never overlooked the fact that he may have entered WHF by key on August 7th 1985,

Exiting via a window and bolting the doors internally. It is easily done.

Nothing suspicious in him having a key to WHF, his parents home, his former home, his employer.

No reason why Nevill would bolt the door internally specifically. Not everyone does.

[Hardy Boy]

I have never overlooked the fact that he may have entered WHF by key on August 7th 1985,

Exiting via a window and bolting the doors internally. It is easily done.

Nothing suspicious in him having a key to WHF, his parents home, his former home, his employer.

No reason why Nevill would bolt the door internally specifically. Not everyone does.

Something I’ve not ruled out ILB either…….When you think about it, and how vulnerable the windows were, why bolt the door in the first place, it wasn’t as though it was a fortress, bolting the door was useless when the windows were so easy to climb through?  It was like locking the car door at night, but leaving a window open.

[Hardy Boy]

Police were in a difficult position as he had only been charged with the burglary at that time so on unconditional bail he could travel freely within reason, i.e go abroad etc.

From memory I think they sent two coppers out to ST tropez to keep tabs on him.

Im not sure on that one ILB, Ainsley said he called surveillance off on Monday morning after the weekend of his release, he couldn’t stand the fact his officers were watching him enjoying himself?  That was from CAL’s book?  In her book she gives all his movements, suggesting she’s seen the surveillance report to me?

[Hardy Boy]

I get the insinuation. But it may also have just been a mundane thing It may have just pointed to an arrogance in his character.

Arrogance or cunning?  Was it a last ditch attempt to try to explain the marks by his Defence

[Adam]

I have never overlooked the fact that he may have entered WHF by key on August 7th 1985,

Exiting via a window and bolting the doors internally. It is easily done.

Nothing suspicious in him having a key to WHF, his parents home, his former home, his employer.

No reason why Nevill would bolt the door internally specifically. Not everyone does.

Bamber told the raid team Nevill would bolt the doors at night.

No source he had a key. He said himself he knew how to get in and out of windows.

Why didn't Bamber go to meet the police with a key?

[ILB]

Why didn't Bamber go to meet the police with a key?

Because he told them there was siege situation happening in the house with Shelia and that there were numerous firearms in the property.

Offering to go into a property with a key in such a scenario would look weird and strange. The lack of concern for his safety would be noted by the police although he wouldn't have been allowed to enter anyway.

Bews said by no means were they going in their unarmed hence he correctly called for the armed response guys.

[ILB]

Bamber told the raid team Nevill would bolt the doors at night.

The source for that is Bamber.

[Adam]

If Bamber was practicing an entry and exit, he would have quickly learned that the kitchen window was the only one which could possibly be used to exit, HB! The sash windows would probably all have the same fixing, so if he couldn't secure one of them after he exited, that would be that! no need to try securing them all, surely?
No, if guilty we have to presume that not only did he decide to exit by the kitchen casement window, but that he had tampered with it in order to secure the side latch after he climbed out! Or did the latch just happen to be loose enough to secure with a bang?
And what about the bottom latch? just how did he manipulate 'it' onto its peg?
In one of the video's that Bubo posted, the CT say that Robert Boutflour suggested that JB secured the kitchen window after he exited by reaching in at the top fan light window! If so, how did JB then secure the fan light window?

Quite possible he made some tweaks to the kitchen window handle.

Once satisfied he told Julie he had an exit.

[Adam]

Because he told them there was siege situation happening in the house with Shelia and that there were numerous firearms in the property.

Offering to go into a property with a key in such a scenario would look weird and strange. The lack of concern for his safety would be noted by the police although he wouldn't have been allowed to enter anyway.

Bews said by no means were they going in their unarmed hence he correctly called for the armed response guys.

Going in through the front door with a key is better than smashing down a door.

Then again Bamber had told the raid team Nevill always bolted the doors at night.

Maybe Nevill wanted Bamber to come over and ring the door bell.

[ILB]

Going in through the front door with a key is better than smashing down a door.

Bews and co would have stopped him instantly. There was no way he was going to be able to go in there.

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