Significance of the Aga burns theory

[Hardy Boy]

I dont think any of those points are rubbish, Adam!
If the windows were secured as documented by Taff, just how 'did' JB exit the White House?

Why do you think he was climbing in and out windows in the first place Snow?  When June and Neville went out they left a key in the coal shed, and for the earlier door he had a key.  Why did he change which window he climbed through Snow, he’s been through them all.

[Hardy Boy]

To secure both catches, Steve? Barlow couldn't do it!

Are you sure about that Snow?  Read Barlow’s notes and scroll down to the 12 th page I think and read where he goes to look at the windows?  Sorry I can’t download it.  He says “ one window particular in the kitchen COULD be closed from the outside, by banging on the window”.

[snow66!]

Are you sure about that Snow?  Read Barlow’s notes and scroll down to the 12 th page I think and read where he goes to look at the windows?  Sorry I can’t download it.  He says “ one window particular in the kitchen COULD be closed from the outside, by banging on the window”.

Yes, but he said you couldn't secure the bottom latch didn't he?

[Hardy Boy]

Yes, but he said you couldn't secure the bottom latch didn't he?

He probably didn’t have the amount of practice like Bamber had Snow?

Taking this into account in the 2002 Appeal…………. 287. The only way in which the window evidence could have been of importance in the jury's decision is if despite other evidence pointing to the appellant as the killer, they might have been prevented from reaching that conclusion by doubting that he could have got in and out on the night in question with the windows being found next day in the condition in which they were found. On the appellant's own admissions, no such doubt could arise.

[snow66!]

Why do you think he was climbing in and out windows in the first place Snow?  When June and Neville went out they left a key in the coal shed, and for the earlier door he had a key.  Why did he change which window he climbed through Snow, he’s been through them all.

If Bamber was practicing an entry and exit, he would have quickly learned that the kitchen window was the only one which could possibly be used to exit, HB! The sash windows would probably all have the same fixing, so if he couldn't secure one of them after he exited, that would be that! no need to try securing them all, surely?
No, if guilty we have to presume that not only did he decide to exit by the kitchen casement window, but that he had tampered with it in order to secure the side latch after he climbed out! Or did the latch just happen to be loose enough to secure with a bang?
And what about the bottom latch? just how did he manipulate 'it' onto its peg?
In one of the video's that Bubo posted, the CT say that Robert Boutflour suggested that JB secured the kitchen window after he exited by reaching in at the top fan light window! If so, how did JB then secure the fan light window?

[Hardy Boy]

If Bamber was practicing an entry and exit, he would have quickly learned that the kitchen window was the only one which could possibly be used to exit, HB! The sash windows would probably all have the same fixing, so if he couldn't secure one of them after he exited, that would be that! no need to try securing them all, surely?
No, if guilty we have to presume that not only did he decide to exit by the kitchen casement window, but that he had tampered with it in order to secure the side latch after he climbed out! Or did the latch just happen to be loose enough to secure with a bang?
And what about the bottom latch? just how did he manipulate 'it' onto its peg?
In one of the video's that Bubo posted, the CT say that Robert Boutflour suggested that JB secured the kitchen window after he exited by reaching in at the top fan light window! If so, how did JB then secure the fan light window?

Why do you think he climbed through the Loo window Snow after he was released on Bail?  Bearing in mind he’d just been asked if he’d ever climbed through the same window after it had been painted in questioning?

[Hardy Boy]

If Bamber was practicing an entry and exit, he would have quickly learned that the kitchen window was the only one which could possibly be used to exit, HB! The sash windows would probably all have the same fixing, so if he couldn't secure one of them after he exited, that would be that! no need to try securing them all, surely?
No, if guilty we have to presume that not only did he decide to exit by the kitchen casement window, but that he had tampered with it in order to secure the side latch after he climbed out! Or did the latch just happen to be loose enough to secure with a bang?
And what about the bottom latch? just how did he manipulate 'it' onto its peg?
In one of the video's that Bubo posted, the CT say that Robert Boutflour suggested that JB secured the kitchen window after he exited by reaching in at the top fan light window! If so, how did JB then secure the fan light window?

They were old windows and had gaps,  there is no telling what he could use, if he could fit a hacksaw blade through, could he fit a wire or string through, or a long thin knife through the edge to lift the latch up into place?  He uses knifes to get in, so maybe he had a way to lift the catch back on with it?  Remember, he’s got to be able to lift the latch up in  the first place to get in.

[snow66!]

Why do you think he climbed through the Loo window Snow after he was released on Bail?  Bearing in mind he’d just been asked if he’d ever climbed through the same window after it had been painted in questioning?

Not sure, HB? Are you suggesting that JB wanted to make it clear that this was indeed a common occurrence incase the police had found some forensic evidence at that window that he had left on the night of the shooting?

[snow66!]

He probably didn’t have the amount of practice like Bamber had Snow?

Taking this into account in the 2002 Appeal…………. 287. The only way in which the window evidence could have been of importance in the jury's decision is if despite other evidence pointing to the appellant as the killer, they might have been prevented from reaching that conclusion by doubting that he could have got in and out on the night in question with the windows being found next day in the condition in which they were found. On the appellant's own admissions, no such doubt could arise.

But the appelant did not say he could exit the house and secure the window, HB! So that statement is downright wrong!

[Hardy Boy]

Not sure, HB? Are you suggesting that JB wanted to make it clear that this was indeed a common occurrence incase the police had found some forensic evidence at that window that he had left on the night of the shooting?

it’s not my claim, although I think on the same lines as the COA……….. iv) The appellant's admitted ability to effect covert entry into and exit from the farmhouse and the finding of the hacksaw blade outside the bathroom window. His claim to have entered the house in that way after the first arrest was an attempt to explain these findings;

[snow66!]

They were old windows and had gaps,  there is no telling what he could use, if he could fit a hacksaw blade through, could he fit a wire or string through, or a long thin knife through the edge to lift the latch up into place?  He uses knifes to get in, so maybe he had a way to lift the catch back on with it?  Remember, he’s got to be able to lift the latch up in  the first place to get in.

Well, traditional latches for a sash window usually just turned round to stop the window sliding up, HB! Not sure how you could secure it from outside, but who knows? i've never tried!

[snow66!]

it’s not my claim, although I think on the same lines as the COA……….. iv) The appellant's admitted ability to effect covert entry into and exit from the farmhouse and the finding of the hacksaw blade outside the bathroom window. His claim to have entered the house in that way after the first arrest was an attempt to explain these findings;

Oh yes, the hacksaw blade! Will check what the CT said about it,HB!

[ILB]

But the appelant did not say he could exit the house and secure the window, HB! So that statement is downright wrong!

For me, I would just love to see an interior window catch secured from the outside. I have never seen or witnessed it before.

[snow66!]

For me, I would just love to see an interior window catch secured from the outside. I have never seen or witnessed it before.

No, I cant really see how it could be done, ILB! But as I was saying, I have never had the need to try!

[Bubo bubo]

Oh yes, the hacksaw blade! Will check what the CT said about it,HB!

The piece of hacksaw blade reportedly found outside White House Farm near the bathroom window was discovered after the shootings, not during the initial crime scene investigation on 7 August 1985.

According to forum discussions and witness accounts, Jeremy Bamber allegedly admitted to using a broken hacksaw blade to slip the catch of a window—possibly the bathroom window—on a later occasion when he entered the farmhouse to retrieve money from the safe.

This blade was said to have left striations or scratch marks on the window catch, which were later examined and interpreted by police as evidence of forced entry. However, supporters of Bamber argue that these marks were made after the murders, and that the blade’s presence was misused during the trial to suggest premeditated access.

I wonder if this was found after JB's interview and after when JM had come forward about how he could enter the the farm property. The police retrieved a hacksaw blade in a cupboard on the first day.